DisneyWarrior27
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Actually, he did mention Elio twice in the earnings call, compared to mentioning Tron: Ares only once.
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Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs
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Disney Irish
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As always you continue to miss the point of what is being discussed.
We're not talking about a movie like Snow White that'll end up losing Disney $100M or more. We're talking about movies that are within $25-30M of breakeven, like Cap4 and most likely Thunderbolts (though it may end up slightly better). Yes if you want to say they are disappointments at the box office, fine, I don't think most would argue with you. But with the post-theatrical those are going to turn a profit, almost immediately after leaving theaters. Because as @BrianLo pointed out the post-theatrical revenue has already been contracted out even before release to theaters in most cases. And that is now something figured into the goal of a movie when they greenlight it, ie the post-theatrical revenue is part of the equation not an afterthought.
We'll move on when you move on from posting about Iger, who clearly takes up too much space in your head.
But in general the hope is Stitch brings in big money so that it covers a majority of early 2025 losses so you guys can move on from that.
Disstevefan1
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Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
I love you…and this is me saying this…but are you doing this to reread you own material?As always you continue to miss the point of what is being discussed.
We're not talking about a movie like Snow White that'll end up losing Disney $100M or more. We're talking about movies that are within $25-30M of breakeven, like Cap4 and most likely Thunderbolts (though it may end up slightly better). Yes if you want to say they are disappointments at the box office, fine, I don't think most would argue with you. But with the post-theatrical those are going to turn a profit, almost immediately after leaving theaters. Because as @BrianLo pointed out the post-theatrical revenue has already been contracted out even before release to theaters in most cases. And that is now something figured into the goal of a movie when they greenlight it, ie the post-theatrical revenue is part of the equation not an afterthought.
We'll move on when you move on from posting about Iger, who clearly takes up too much space in your head.
But in general the hope is Stitch brings in big money so that it covers a majority of early 2025 loses so you guys can move on from that.
Might be tired at this point.
You’re going on about a new “Hollywood model”…and that is kinda a different conversation. I’m not even saying it’s not going that way.
But we’ve seen “predictive” movement in recent years on other fronts…and it resembles a truck fire on the side of the road at this point.
Bombs are not wanted…and far less “acceptable” to the boardroom than you’ve invented in your head. For any of them…but especially for Disney. They have severely taxed their resources…Rep being a big one now…and they need every penny.
That may be counter intuitive…but also true. As is often the case
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Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
The 100 degrees is gonna go over well
Almost as if it is a tired franchise choice with diminishing returns.
Disstevefan1
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Well, yes.
One could say is the perfect storm!
100 degree heat index plus opening weekend - could be bad! and I have been seeing some less than positive reports since they opened it to everyone during previews.
From the start, I said this is Universal's game to lose. We are happy NOT to be there on opening day or anytime before the winter. We may check it out in the winter or maybe January.
It will be interesting to watch the YouTubers.
To get back on topic Snow White 2025 is available to rent or buy digitally
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
Well it is a different game when you don’t have a limited invite listWell, yes.
One could say is the perfect storm!
100 degree heat index plus opening weekend - could be bad! and I have been seeing some less than positive reports since they opened it to everyone during previews.
From the start, I said this is Universal's game to lose. We are happy NOT to be there on opening day or anytime before the winter. We may check it out in the winter or maybe January.
It will be interesting to watch the YouTubers.
To get back on topic Snow White 2025 is available to rent or buy digitally
I’m guessing that even though it looks big…they haven’t built enough for smooth operation
Really no park has since Epcot
Maybe IOA…maybe
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
Most likely it will…bad sequels have been following a pretty easy pattern of late…with just a few unique exceptions
Disney Irish
Premium Member
Thanks.... I think.
No, I'm actually having a discussion because that is what we do here. If not then why are we here?and this is me saying this…but are you doing this to reread you own material?
Actually that IS the conversation. Because its not theoretical, its happening now in real time. Its affecting the whole box office now, not 6 months from now, not 3 years from, but now. And every Studio recognizes it, accepts it, and is doing something about it. This is something that some of us have been talking about for the last 5 years, and some of you didn't want to discuss it because you don't believe its happening but its happening. Maybe now some of you are starting to recognize what the rest of us have been talking about.
Not sure what you mean "on other fronts"? But if you mean other industries, then yes and its happening, for example in technology (something which I know a lot of about) it was predicted, and has happened. This is something that all of Hollywood is transitioning to and have been preparing for now for 10 years, and its happening.
I would agree that "bombs" are not wanted, but some of these wouldn't be considered actual "bomb" outside of Snow. Disappointments yes, and on that I agree, but not outright bombs.
Also I'm not sure why "especially" Disney. Are they somehow more at risk than any other Studio? I don't think so, if anything they can weather the storm better than almost every other Studio in Hollywood, including the one with a direct theme park competitor.
You'd be surprised but I actually agree with you here. They have stretched their reputation pretty thin the last couple years, but the hope is there is a turn around on that. Stitch will be a test to see if its been stretched too thin to the point of breaking beyond repair or if its on the mend.
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easyrowrdw
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I think Barbie and Oppenheimer doomed Dead Reckoning at the box office. The movie had good reviews even if it not quite as good as Fallout (which was the high water mark for the series). But it lost the imax screens and buzz to those two other movies.
Overall, it’s been a very successful franchise at the box office and with critics. $400 million is still nuts though lol
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
@Disney Irish
Actually…the conversion is right up in the title thread
It’s performance at the box office
Not “shifting Hollywood models” or “acceptable levels of diminishing returns”
That might be a good thing to go over…but checking the tape here is that the thread coincides with an increase in the frequency or underachieving franchise titles and some downright disasters.
That’s when the goal posts started to sprout legs.
It’s not the end of all discussions…but the benchmark for success is just not really thad debatable.
The product and the performance is down. Just the facts…
And that doesn’t mean all…some have down well or overachieved. Probably 2 for last year…not bad.
May not be a lot of that this year…but stay tuned on that
Actually…the conversion is right up in the title thread
It’s performance at the box office
Not “shifting Hollywood models” or “acceptable levels of diminishing returns”
That might be a good thing to go over…but checking the tape here is that the thread coincides with an increase in the frequency or underachieving franchise titles and some downright disasters.
That’s when the goal posts started to sprout legs.
It’s not the end of all discussions…but the benchmark for success is just not really thad debatable.
The product and the performance is down. Just the facts…
And that doesn’t mean all…some have down well or overachieved. Probably 2 for last year…not bad.
May not be a lot of that this year…but stay tuned on that
choco choco
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LOL. I hope this movie loses half a billion.
Disney Irish
Premium Member
The conversation on the shift in models and its impact on the box office is just as important as the box office results itself, so yes its actually part of the thread topic, thank you. As it has an effect on overall ticket sales, which has been in the decline for over 20 years and is continuing, which has a direct impact on the box office results. So its all correlated back to the whole box office, and its impact on Disney. Its also not happening in a vacuum, so other micro climates such as Disney's favor or not with the public (which has also been discussed in this thread) are also impactful in the overall box office.@Disney Irish
Actually…the conversion is right up in the title thread
It’s performance at the box office
Not “shifting Hollywood models” or “acceptable levels of diminishing returns”
That might be a good thing to go over…but checking the tape here is that the thread coincides with an increase in the frequency or underachieving franchise titles and some downright disasters.
That’s when the goal posts started to sprout legs.
It’s not the end of all discussions…but the benchmark for success is just not really thad debatable.
The product and the performance is down. Just the facts…
And that doesn’t mean all…some have down well or overachieved. Probably 2 for last year…not bad.
May not be a lot of that this year…but stay tuned on that
So we're still on topic. Not everything is about the weekly numbers my friend, we can have larger discussions that are separate from that while still talking about them.
Nevermore525
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That’d be quite the feat with a reported budget of $100M and another $100M+ of marketing considering it was projecting around $350M WW this coming weekend before reviews even released.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
…umm…it’s shocking that a British review trashed it as “rubbish”
That NEVER happens to American popcorn.
Looks like the home press here is more kind…
It’s a cute remake…it should rake
An original screenplay not based directly on previous mediums just surpassed what a Marvel Superhero film is playing.
Here is hoping Elio is good and shows good original storytelling for audiences as well.
Only family movie release remake of a cute character well known worldwide. Memorial Day weekend and elementary schools all over going to end of year movie days at local cheap theater showtimes.
There is zero reason Lilo And Stitch should not print money.
Here is hoping Elio is good and shows good original storytelling for audiences as well.
Only family movie release remake of a cute character well known worldwide. Memorial Day weekend and elementary schools all over going to end of year movie days at local cheap theater showtimes.
There is zero reason Lilo And Stitch should not print money.
LittleBuford
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The reviewer being quoted, Jesse Hassenger, is American and based in Brooklyn. He writes for a variety of publications and outlets, The Guardian being just one of them.…umm…it’s shocking that a British review trashed it as “rubbish”
That NEVER happens to American popcorn.
Looks like the home press here is more kind…
It’s a cute remake…it should rake
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
He seems to be in the minority…so far
I bet he thinks he’s judging “art”…a common mistake - it appears
easyrowrdw
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Metacritic has it at a 56 at the moment, which is lower than I expected. Here is the full review of the screenshot above in case anyone wants to read it https://www.theguardian.com/film/2025/may/20/lilo-stitch-review-disney