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With Disney buying Marvel what park in WDW will be impacted by this?
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WDW1974
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You're welcome.
But I think the sane voices (certainly not just my own) are being drowned out by fanboi Marvel .:ROFLOL:
WDW1974
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Originally Posted by WDW1974
They may well have overpaid. But one thing is clear and that is Disney can't jump in and take over things simply because they are buying Marvel. There are many contracts whether it's for film rights with Paramount, Sony and Fox or theme park rights in Florida and Japan to a lesser degree.
No one said Disney isn't going to try and exploit the characters to the fullest.
That said, you (and many fanbois) mistakenly believe that Disney can just walk in and these other huge media companies will roll over and spread 'em. That's very simplistic and not how these things work. And this is much more complicated because Marvel leveraged its stable amongst many companies.
Disney might want to make money off of say Spidey (since he is the most well known character), but Sony owns him for years ...
Iger is anything but a wuss. He is a cold, cunning, calculating CEO. But if you think the use of the characters in FLA was a major issue for Iger, you're mistaken.
And while he may not be happy about Marvel's deal with Uni, he really has few options ... unless he pays some king's ransom figure to get out of the deal (a figure large enough likely to build a pretty cool theme park).
Also, again, the fanboi community mistakenly thinks that Marvel's characters are somehow 'tainted' by pixie dust because Disney will own the rights. That's just not reality. Again, all it means is that when Uni writes its checks to Marvel, they're really writing them to Disney.
The entertainment industry is very incestuous by nature and companies often work with and for their competition. A small example but it just flashed through my mind is the Shrek Christmas special that was made by Dreamworks Animation (not Dreamworks live action that Disney now has a distribution deal with) for ABC Family. Another might be Disney picking up TV and cable rights to the Harry Potter films. Another might be Disney promoting Indiana Jones, which in turn gives money to Paramount (again a direct competitor), which then gives $$$ to Lucas. ... there are endless examples.
I am semi-familiar with comics and haven't heard of half of the above list.
And again, those characters Disney is free to do what they want with in Florida. But why would they?
Other than Ironman, because of the recent film, most guests won't have a clue who they are.
Disney has a stable of great characters of its own, many that aren't being used remotely to their fullest potential (Muppets anyone? How about Roger Rabbit? Hell, how about characters from any film, other than Stitch, from the past 25 years?)
Yes, I have. And it's well and good that they bring out all those characters.
But imagine if Disney had the event but couldn't use Luke Skywalker, Han Solo, Obi Wan, Darth Vader and Chewbacca in any way ...
Because if you turn things around and had a Marvel Weekend that's exactly the scenario you'd be looking at.
If Jake agrees with me then I know I must be 100% correct!
Why can't people just THINK big picture?
TWDC doesn't make $4 billion deals based on maybe adding a few things to WDW parks ... or to 'hurt' one of Universal's parks (even if that point is very off on its own).
Originally Posted by WDW1974
They may well have overpaid. But one thing is clear and that is Disney can't jump in and take over things simply because they are buying Marvel. There are many contracts whether it's for film rights with Paramount, Sony and Fox or theme park rights in Florida and Japan to a lesser degree.
No one said Disney isn't going to try and exploit the characters to the fullest.
That said, you (and many fanbois) mistakenly believe that Disney can just walk in and these other huge media companies will roll over and spread 'em. That's very simplistic and not how these things work. And this is much more complicated because Marvel leveraged its stable amongst many companies.
Disney might want to make money off of say Spidey (since he is the most well known character), but Sony owns him for years ...
Iger is anything but a wuss. He is a cold, cunning, calculating CEO. But if you think the use of the characters in FLA was a major issue for Iger, you're mistaken.
And while he may not be happy about Marvel's deal with Uni, he really has few options ... unless he pays some king's ransom figure to get out of the deal (a figure large enough likely to build a pretty cool theme park).
Also, again, the fanboi community mistakenly thinks that Marvel's characters are somehow 'tainted' by pixie dust because Disney will own the rights. That's just not reality. Again, all it means is that when Uni writes its checks to Marvel, they're really writing them to Disney.
The entertainment industry is very incestuous by nature and companies often work with and for their competition. A small example but it just flashed through my mind is the Shrek Christmas special that was made by Dreamworks Animation (not Dreamworks live action that Disney now has a distribution deal with) for ABC Family. Another might be Disney picking up TV and cable rights to the Harry Potter films. Another might be Disney promoting Indiana Jones, which in turn gives money to Paramount (again a direct competitor), which then gives $$$ to Lucas. ... there are endless examples.
I am semi-familiar with comics and haven't heard of half of the above list.
And again, those characters Disney is free to do what they want with in Florida. But why would they?
Other than Ironman, because of the recent film, most guests won't have a clue who they are.
Disney has a stable of great characters of its own, many that aren't being used remotely to their fullest potential (Muppets anyone? How about Roger Rabbit? Hell, how about characters from any film, other than Stitch, from the past 25 years?)
Yes, I have. And it's well and good that they bring out all those characters.
But imagine if Disney had the event but couldn't use Luke Skywalker, Han Solo, Obi Wan, Darth Vader and Chewbacca in any way ...
Because if you turn things around and had a Marvel Weekend that's exactly the scenario you'd be looking at.
If Jake agrees with me then I know I must be 100% correct!
Why can't people just THINK big picture?
TWDC doesn't make $4 billion deals based on maybe adding a few things to WDW parks ... or to 'hurt' one of Universal's parks (even if that point is very off on its own).
SirGoofy
Member
I'm completely thinking the big picture.
But I'm also having fun speculating what could be one day. Nothing wrong with that, IMO. I'm not naive enough to think this was done for WDW or to hurt Uni, that would be preposterous.
The Conundrum
New Member
But at the same time they didn't spend $4 billion just to build some "marvel marts" and maybe use the charecters in China either
Marvel will be exploited the same way Pixar was over time that includes Animation/film/tv/merchandising/THEME PARKS/etc
Since this is a theme park forum I want to talk about the ramification for the parks 5, 10, 15 years down the road.
I also never said iwant to REPLACE TL (thats jt saying that) but im saying a marvel e-ticket would be better than the 300 cartoon tie-ins they got now and I will not complain if/when they announce one down the road.
Sumshine 904
Member
Like the majority of people are saying, I assume DHS would be affected most.
If they stick Ironman in EPCOT, Spidey in AK or whatever... I will NOT be happy.
If they stick Ironman in EPCOT, Spidey in AK or whatever... I will NOT be happy.
SirGoofy
Member
Stark Industries would still be a perfect "host" company for Innoventions.
Ive always wondered does anyone else think this $4 billion purchase was useless if there not going to put anything Marvel in WDW.
imagineer boy
Well-Known Member
Ugh, no kidding...
jt04
Well-Known Member
Not one person has suggested they did. We are talking about it's potential effects in the near future and long term for WDW. This is wdwmagic. Not pixar magic, not disney channel magic and not disney video game magic.
jt04
Well-Known Member
He is annoyed by folks having a fun conversation about anything WDW. Any positivity about the place, unless he is the one saying it, annoys him no end and he reacts as you see above.
Welcome to my world sirgoofy. :lol:
imagineer boy
Well-Known Member
Eh, more like "OMG!!1! TonY StARK @ InNoVenTIONs fOR TeH WIN!!!1! LOLZ!!!!!1"
jt04
Well-Known Member
EPCOT Explorer
New Member
In look, yes....
Just don't slap the name on the whole thing. Maybe a section of it.:lol:
SirGoofy
Member
SirGoofy
Member
I'm writing up my idea. Should be done sometime next week. I'll make sure you see it.
imagineer boy
Well-Known Member
Dude, it's all in fun. Grow a sense of humor.
Why so serious?
Doesn't mean some of the ideas spread around here for Marvel attractions at WDW don't suck. :lol:
SirGoofy
Member
Tell me why Stark Industries in Innoventions would "suck".
Or why Iron Man in Tland would "suck".
jt04
Well-Known Member
Eddie Sotto's entire purpose for being here was to explain the WDI process and encourage people to express the ideas that inspired. I think that is pretty commendable.
So, why don't you throw some ideas out there and let the wdwmagic community decide if they suck or not?
I have to go but I'll check back and see what you created later. Later.
Figment632
New Member
If they don't to overboard it will be fine. Maybe turn SGE into Stark Industries, the first room could be a SI training video. The second room a test show if tech or armor and the third room the testing center.
Or the TTA could also have someaudio spiels like "The TTA a gift to the people of TL from Stark Industries.
Goofy you have been to SFGA, how would you feel about a Ironman coaster similar to Superman somewhere in WDW?