With Disney buying Marvel what park in WDW will be impacted by this?

PalisadesPkteer

Active Member
There could be 1 chip Uni could hold onto and play to its advantage.

They could hold onto the Marvel "character" rights they have.
Therefore Disney can't use them unless Uni says so etc. (Spiderman, Hulk etc.)
This could make Disney give Uni something to get to use these characters.

This would be the one advantage Uni has now.
 

ChrisFL

Premium Member
'74 seems to be one of the few people who really understand what's going on here.

The article posted was quite interesting to me, including this part:

Disney, meanwhile, could face some tricky issues of its own. For instance, while Disney could opt to incorporate Marvel characters used at Universal Orlando into attractions at Disneyland in Anaheim, Calif., it would have to ensure that any national advertising did not imply that those characters existed at all Disney parks.

That's because Universal's licensing pact requires any theme-park company that uses similar Marvel characters beyond the East Coast but has parks on both coasts — such as Disney — to "make abundantly clear that the character only appears in the parks west of the Mississippi."

Remeber the whole "Disney Parks" generic merchandise movement going on lately? IF Disney wanted to have Marvel characters at DL for example, they'd have to go completely away from this philosophy.

Anyway, what I think is really interesting in this thread is how many people seem to think that Disney spent $4 Billion on Marvel just to create some WDW attractions, and then maybe have a bit of merchandise stuff too :rolleyes:. Riiiiiiiight.

Consider what else Disney could do with that kind of money instead, if they didn't purchase Marvel and just wanted new attractions for their parks....DisneySea at WDW anyone??
 

_Scar

Active Member
There could be 1 chip Uni could hold onto and play to its advantage.

They could hold onto the Marvel "character" rights they have.
Therefore Disney can't use them unless Uni says so etc. (Spiderman, Hulk etc.)
This could make Disney give Uni something to get to use these characters.

This would be the one advantage Uni has now.


I think it will end up driving them crazy that Disney - Marvel will now be on everything, and they are handing a check to Mickey. Sort of genius.
 

_Scar

Active Member
Considering, WDW has few options now and it's obvious it was an investment oppurtunity since the movies are raking in billions, and it just so happens that IoA is affected by it. Disney wouldn't spend 4 billion just to put some attractions and merch in wdw and take spotlight away from the Spiderman ride.....
 

Studios Fan

Active Member
I thought it was well known that disney just started within the last year being able to use the muppets to the fullest.

So why do people blame disney for the muppets not being able to be used?

Actually the muppets are the best comparison with Marvel . Not much will be done until contracts start ending.

I agree. It will take time, but Disney is going to paid handsomely for licensing in the meantime.
 

jakeman

Well-Known Member
They may well have overpaid. But one thing is clear and that is Disney can't jump in and take over things simply because they are buying Marvel. There are many contracts whether it's for film rights with Paramount, Sony and Fox or theme park rights in Florida and Japan to a lesser degree.

No one said Disney isn't going to try and exploit the characters to the fullest.

That said, you (and many fanbois) mistakenly believe that Disney can just walk in and these other huge media companies will roll over and spread 'em. That's very simplistic and not how these things work. And this is much more complicated because Marvel leveraged its stable amongst many companies.

Disney might want to make money off of say Spidey (since he is the most well known character), but Sony owns him for years ...



Iger is anything but a wuss. He is a cold, cunning, calculating CEO. But if you think the use of the characters in FLA was a major issue for Iger, you're mistaken.

And while he may not be happy about Marvel's deal with Uni, he really has few options ... unless he pays some king's ransom figure to get out of the deal (a figure large enough likely to build a pretty cool theme park).

Also, again, the fanboi community mistakenly thinks that Marvel's characters are somehow 'tainted' by pixie dust because Disney will own the rights. That's just not reality. Again, all it means is that when Uni writes its checks to Marvel, they're really writing them to Disney.

The entertainment industry is very incestuous by nature and companies often work with and for their competition. A small example but it just flashed through my mind is the Shrek Christmas special that was made by Dreamworks Animation (not Dreamworks live action that Disney now has a distribution deal with) for ABC Family. Another might be Disney picking up TV and cable rights to the Harry Potter films. Another might be Disney promoting Indiana Jones, which in turn gives money to Paramount (again a direct competitor), which then gives $$$ to Lucas. ... there are endless examples.




I am semi-familiar with comics and haven't heard of half of the above list.

And again, those characters Disney is free to do what they want with in Florida. But why would they?

Other than Ironman, because of the recent film, most guests won't have a clue who they are.

Disney has a stable of great characters of its own, many that aren't being used remotely to their fullest potential (Muppets anyone? How about Roger Rabbit? Hell, how about characters from any film, other than Stitch, from the past 25 years?)



Yes, I have. And it's well and good that they bring out all those characters.

But imagine if Disney had the event but couldn't use Luke Skywalker, Han Solo, Obi Wan, Darth Vader and Chewbacca in any way ...

Because if you turn things around and had a Marvel Weekend that's exactly the scenario you'd be looking at.
I agree with every point here. It seems fairly obvious that WDW was not really even near the forefront of the thinking on this deal.
 

jt04

Well-Known Member
No one actually came out and said it, but many people seem to think that's Disney's main motivation

I agree with every point here. It seems fairly obvious that WDW was not really even near the forefront of the thinking on this deal.

This is the wdwmagic forum. This thread is specifically about how WDW will use the characters. I have not heard anyone even hint that Disney is buying Marvel for the theme parks. That is at least 4th on the list of priorities.

And I'll say it again, Universal is not going to play hardball here. They have very viable options for marvel island. Specifically Transformers. Also, how is it everyone is forgetting about Potter after the last year of "all potter all the time" on these boards?

Disney won't need to force Universal to give up marvel at IoA, Universal will do it because they have better options. And as soon as they drop the marvel promotion the contact ends. And then Disney can do what they want at WDW.
 

ChrisFL

Premium Member
This is the wdwmagic forum. This thread is specifically about how WDW will use the characters. I have not heard anyone even hint that Disney is buying Marvel for the theme parks. That is at least 4th on the list of priorities.

And I'll say it again, Universal is not going to play hardball here. They have very viable options for marvel island. Specifically Transformers. Also, how is it everyone is forgetting about Potter after the last year of "all potter all the time" on these boards?

Disney won't need to force Universal to give up marvel at IoA, Universal will do it because they have better options. And as soon as they drop the marvel promotion the contact ends. And then Disney can do what they want at WDW.

I disagree, I don't think Universal is going to give up Marvel, at least not anytime soon. First, they are basically standing in the way of Disney creating their own attractions at WDW if Disney so chose, so why would Universal stand back and let that happen? That's like giving a rival team one of your best players. Yes, Universal is already going to be paying Disney for the use of the characters, etc. but that's small change.

I don't see what this has to do with Harry Potter? :shrug:
 

hwdelien

Member
As far as I can see, WDW has absolutely no incentive to do anything with Marvel in their parks. They have effectively created a 5th gate called IoA. They've made the investment with no construction and development costs. I would venture to say that if Universal California approached them they'd let them license the west coast too. They won't interfere with their marketing or anything that would jeopardize the revenue stream.

In my mind all they have to do is buy the Simpsons or something else in USF and BAM instant 6th gate.
 

jt04

Well-Known Member
I disagree, I don't think Universal is going to give up Marvel, at least not anytime soon. First, they are basically standing in the way of Disney creating their own attractions at WDW if Disney so chose, so why would Universal stand back and let that happen? That's like giving a rival team one of your best players. Yes, Universal is already going to be paying Disney for the use of the characters, etc. but that's small change.

Because IoA has more compelling franchises to offer now and there is no way they are going to promote a Disney franchise. It would be like a ford dealer putting a Toyota in their show room. Potter will allow Uni to go with Transformers also. Marvel will no longer be the big draw at IoA once potterland opens.

I don't see what this has to do with Harry Potter? :shrug:

People were saying IoA would not get rid of Marvel content in the next couple years because there was nothing else of substance the park would have to offer. And these are the same folks who said Potter was about to give Disney problems. :brick:

As far as I can see, WDW has absolutely no incentive to do anything with Marvel in their parks. They have effectively created a 5th gate called IoA. They've made the investment with no construction and development costs. I would venture to say that if Universal California approached them they'd let them license the west coast too. They won't interfere with their marketing or anything that would jeopardize the revenue stream.

Disney has every reason to offer Marvel in their parks. Have you seen the buzz. That doesn't mean rides right away. But it most assuredly means m&g's and probably shows of some sort. It doesn't mean Wolverine in Fantasyland however. :rolleyes:

In my mind all they have to do is buy the Simpsons or something else in USF and BAM instant 6th gate.

I'm sure Disney would rather not get their revenue streams through Universal when they can get them directly.
 

Mr Toad

Well-Known Member
I disagree, I don't think Universal is going to give up Marvel, at least not anytime soon. First, they are basically standing in the way of Disney creating their own attractions at WDW if Disney so chose, so why would Universal stand back and let that happen? That's like giving a rival team one of your best players. Yes, Universal is already going to be paying Disney for the use of the characters, etc. but that's small change.

I don't see what this has to do with Harry Potter? :shrug:
If you ran a company, would you pay money to enable your competitors for a product if you had viable alternatives that could be just as profitable? Short term, probably. Long term, nope.
 

ChrisFL

Premium Member
As far as I can see, WDW has absolutely no incentive to do anything with Marvel in their parks. They have effectively created a 5th gate called IoA. They've made the investment with no construction and development costs. I would venture to say that if Universal California approached them they'd let them license the west coast too. They won't interfere with their marketing or anything that would jeopardize the revenue stream.

In my mind all they have to do is buy the Simpsons or something else in USF and BAM instant 6th gate.

:lol:
 

dizpins14

Member
Universal doesn't care if they pay Disney for the Marvel rights. There's no difference to them between paying Marvel for the rights or paying Marvel the rights and the Walt Disney Company's profits getting a small boost. As long as the license fee doesn't go up, they don't care.

Universal is probably more worried about Disney, several years from now, trying to find a way out of the Marvel/Universal contract, in order for Disney to utilize the characters in the parks. If they start looking for a replacement now, there won't be a rush to change the theme of Marvel Island.

The A&E cable channel is co-owned by Disney, NBC/Universal and Heart Corp. There's no cut throat animosity between Universal and Disney, like Disney fans have toward Universal.
 

jt04

Well-Known Member
Universal doesn't care if they pay Disney for the Marvel rights. There's no difference to them between paying Marvel for the rights or paying Marvel the rights and the Walt Disney Company's profits getting a small boost. As long as the license fee doesn't go up, they don't care.

Universal is probably more worried about Disney, several years from now, trying to find a way out of the Marvel/Universal contract, in order for Disney to utilize the characters in the parks. If they start looking for a replacement now, there won't be a rush to change the theme of Marvel Island.

The A&E cable channel is co-owned by Disney, NBC/Universal and Heart Corp. There's no cut throat animosity between Universal and Disney, like Disney fans have toward Universal.

Riiiiiiiiiigggggghhhhttttttt. :lol:

:rolleyes:

 

Mr Toad

Well-Known Member
The A&E cable channel is co-owned by Disney, NBC/Universal and Heart Corp. There's no cut throat animosity between Universal and Disney, like Disney fans have toward Universal.
There is a difference co-owning a product versus paying a competitor a license fee for a product. Has nothing to do with any sort of perceived, animosity. A company will not want to give any revenue to a competitor.
 

The Conundrum

New Member
Universal doesn't care if they pay Disney for the Marvel rights. There's no difference to them between paying Marvel for the rights or paying Marvel the rights and the Walt Disney Company's profits getting a small boost. As long as the license fee doesn't go up, they don't care.

Universal is probably more worried about Disney, several years from now, trying to find a way out of the Marvel/Universal contract, in order for Disney to utilize the characters in the parks. If they start looking for a replacement now, there won't be a rush to change the theme of Marvel Island.

The A&E cable channel is co-owned by Disney, NBC/Universal and Heart Corp. There's no cut throat animosity between Universal and Disney, like Disney fans have toward Universal.

You do realize that Universal is now forced to give Disney uncomfortable access to their balance sheets and Disney now has the right to dictate to Universal how the charecters are promoted, how they are advertised, represented, etc.

If nothing else Disney can now raise the royalty rate for the charecters.

Between Harry Potter land, the profitable annual Halloween Horror Nights, and the Rip-Ride-Rockit do they even need the marvel charecters anymore?
 

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