What's Next For DHS And AK??

menamechris

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Why is Australia so important? I don't see what Disney would bring that was any different than what they've done with Africa and Asia in AK. What's the big deal? I don't see what's so special to devote another land to it, no offense to any Australians here, but they could easily accomplish that on a small scale at some other time. I'd much rather see WDI flex their imaginations and bring something mythical to the park.

I have to agree with this. The park is massive as it is - and that is part of most people's complaint. It is an amazingly large place with very little to do but walk around. Adding Australia would just make it THAT much larger - and probably wouldn't add anything of any real additional substance to the park. Disney needs to maximize the space that AK already has before thinking about an expansion.
 

DCLcruiser

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I can do AK in a morning. After riding EE, Dinosaur and seeing Tough to be a bug I'm ready to leave. Every other park I can spend a full day at, or more. The Safari is a waste of time as the animals hide. I've seen more african animals at the Bronx Zoo. Adding the mythological land w/ real rides would give guests a reason to stay and reduce the load on the other parks. Could be dark ride central (of course Dueling Dragons would of been nice too).

DHS is great thanks to RnRC, Tower of Terror and Toy Story.
 

Bairstow

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I second this. There's always a chance this could happen, especially since Universal wishes to expand within the next 3 years. With Pottermore keeping the classic franchise very much alive, I think the popularity for it will still be strong.

Universal wants to expand? Where to? I thought they were out of space.
 

_Scar

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I can do AK in a morning. After riding EE, Dinosaur and seeing Tough to be a bug I'm ready to leave. Every other park I can spend a full day at, or more. The Safari is a waste of time as the animals hide. I've seen more african animals at the Bronx Zoo. Adding the mythological land w/ real rides would give guests a reason to stay and reduce the load on the other parks. Could be dark ride central (of course Dueling Dragons would of been nice too).

DHS is great thanks to RnRC, Tower of Terror and Toy Story.

For it to be a full day park, you have to do everything. It just sounds like DAK isn't your cup of tea.


Please no big, unthemed roller coasters at any Disney Park. They just look bad imo.


And RnRC, ToT, and Toy Story may be DHS biggest 3; however doing those 3 things over and over can get tiring :lol:
 

imagineer boy

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I would like to see Australia at AK (works better at AK than Epcot), but not now. BK would be a far more enticing addition with more potential to be groundbreaking and bring crowds to AK.
 

yeti

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Why is Australia so important? I don't see what Disney would bring that was any different than what they've done with Africa and Asia in AK. What's the big deal? I don't see what's so special to devote another land to it, no offense to any Australians here, but they could easily accomplish that on a small scale at some other time. I'd much rather see WDI flex their imaginations and bring something mythical to the park.

I've been thinking...rather than base an entire land on the generic concept of fantastic creatures (ala BK), why not integrate the idea of myth throughout the existing continents, in the same vein as Everest? Fictional representations of real-world habitats seems to be the thematic benchmark for the park, and as his work on Aulani proves, this is Joe Rhode's specialty. Why throw all kinds of creatures into one big clump when their respective place of origin may already exist in the park? It would tie beautifully into the "cultural awareness"outlook. Not to mention the spreading of crowds, and the fact that management wouldn't have to approve of a singular expansion.
 

misterID

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Universal wants to expand? Where to? I thought they were out of space.

They actually have plenty of room to expand, not to mention attractions don't have the longest life spans there, before they're upgraded and replaced. The only reason ET is still around is because Spielberg put his foot down when they tried to replace it. Rumor has it that he's very powerful.

:lol:
 

WDWFREAK53

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Why is Australia so important? I don't see what Disney would bring that was any different than what they've done with Africa and Asia in AK. What's the big deal? I don't see what's so special to devote another land to it, no offense to any Australians here, but they could easily accomplish that on a small scale at some other time. I'd much rather see WDI flex their imaginations and bring something mythical to the park.

There are many unique animals in Australia. You could break it up into different areas...The Outback, Ayers Rock, the Great Barrier Reef, etc.

Australia is very unique and nothing like Africa or Asia.

While I'd prefer a Beastly Kingdom/Mysterious Island hybrid over anything else, I have nothing against them putting in Australia and think that it fits in with the current DAK theme moreso than BK/MI.
 

misterID

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I've been thinking...rather than base an entire land on the generic concept of fantastic creatures (ala BK), why not integrate the idea of myth throughout the existing continents, in the same vein as Everest? Fictional representations of real-world habitats seems to be the thematic benchmark for the park, and as his work on Aulani proves, this is Joe Rhode's specialty. Why throw all kinds of creatures into one big clump when their respective place of origin may already exist in the park? It would tie beautifully into the "cultural awareness"outlook. Not to mention the spreading of crowds, and the fact that management wouldn't have to approve of a singular expansion.

From what I understand BK is dead. We'd be getting a Mysterious Island type land with a fire breathing dragon and perhaps an updated 20K. There's loads of potential there.
 

misterID

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There are many unique animals in Australia. You could break it up into different areas...The Outback, Ayers Rock, the Great Barrier Reef, etc.

Australia is very unique and nothing like Africa or Asia.

While I'd prefer a Beastly Kingdom/Mysterious Island hybrid over anything else, I have nothing against them putting in Australia and think that it fits in with the current DAK theme moreso than BK/MI.

But that's assuming they would use any of that. Or make it that big. There's plenty more they could have done with Africa and Asia, but didn't. I'm not against them doing Australia in some compacity, but do something better and different first.
 

yeti

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From what I understand BK is dead. We'd be getting a Mysterious Island type land with a fire breathing dragon and perhaps an updated 20K. There's loads of potential there.

Sounds great. How about setting it in the alps and calling the land "Europe"? Throw in some real animals, a restaurant....then you've got an expansion.

Or, to get rid of the generic land-titling, how about changing the name to some Swiss village in which the land is set in. Meanwhile, "Asia" becomes "Anandapur" and "Africa" becomes "Harambe". Then again, that might confuse some...

Of course, this hypothetical theorizing is just my internet talk. In reality I'd be happy with just about anything. :lol:
 

Bairstow

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Only thing I could think of would be Potter taking over Lost Continent or Jurassic Park area. :(

I thought Potter expansion into Lost Continent was all but confirmed, though IOA has apparently drawn the line at Mythos.

Sounds good to me. Poseidon's Fury has a cool exterior building shell (one of the best, actually) but other than the tube o' water there's nothing of value in there.
 

Spike-in-Berlin

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Why is Australia so important? I don't see what Disney would bring that was any different than what they've done with Africa and Asia in AK. What's the big deal? I don't see what's so special to devote another land to it, no offense to any Australians here, but they could easily accomplish that on a small scale at some other time. I'd much rather see WDI flex their imaginations and bring something mythical to the park.

I believe a lot of people consider Australia a little more interesting than it actually would be.
 

AEfx

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I can do AK in a morning. After riding EE, Dinosaur and seeing Tough to be a bug I'm ready to leave. Every other park I can spend a full day at, or more. The Safari is a waste of time as the animals hide. I've seen more african animals at the Bronx Zoo. Adding the mythological land w/ real rides would give guests a reason to stay and reduce the load on the other parks. Could be dark ride central (of course Dueling Dragons would of been nice too).

DHS is great thanks to RnRC, Tower of Terror and Toy Story.

I knew some would point out, "Well, it's just not for you then!" but you speak the truth for a great many.

I have seen people like Travel Agents post about how horribly received AK is by guests they send. The same thing, over and over. "It's so pretty...but not much to do!" And it's true. Partially because nothing there is "classic" that needs to be re-ridden regularly (they have no "Haunted Mansion" or "POTC" equiv), and partially because there are so few actual rides.

What keeps it a "full day park" is the same trick they used to use (and still do, just not as heavily) at MGM. They stack the shows so it's IMPOSSIBLE to see them back to back, which means you have to spend more time wandering around and waiting.

It's funny, because while I haven't seen people get that extreme in this thread, you have these people that think AK is some revolutonary experience, when for most folks it's the same, as I said above - not much to really do, especially on a repeat visit, in terms of rides, and the animal interaction is completely minimal, you get a better experience in most regional zoos - they may not be as pretty, but you see tons more animals - the whole point. Some will even argue that the "theming" makes up for that - so I usually pose to them this question: would you rather have a plain fish tank with dozens of colorful, active fish, or an exquisitely decorated, intricate city-like fish tank with all the trimmings and two or three limp, slow fish. Some people say they'd chose the latter - which is pretty shallow, just like AK.

I think that's why it rubs me the wrong way, especially of late. AK is a very shallow park. So when people make it out to be some nearly perfect experience, and the most they can say it, "The theming is so amazing!", that's pretty shallow. True, Disney is known for theming and it's one of the things that sets it apart, but it's back to the cake and frosting analogy - if it's all frosting, and little to no cake, it ceases being frosting and becomes a bowl full of sugar and butter.

AK doesn't need expansion, it's already full of large stretches of relatively empty space. What it needs are RIDES and ATTRACTIONS. The reason it isn't done is purely financial - guest satisfaction I would be willing to bet a lot of money is the worst at AK than any other WDW park, but it doesn't matter much financially since most people have multi-day passes and just chalk it up as a minor attraction at WDW, as opposed to a full-fledged theme park (in spite of it's physical size).
 

Spike-in-Berlin

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Why is Australia so important? I don't see what Disney would bring that was any different than what they've done with Africa and Asia in AK. What's the big deal? I don't see what's so special to devote another land to it, no offense to any Australians here, but they could easily accomplish that on a small scale at some other time. I'd much rather see WDI flex their imaginations and bring something mythical to the park.

Exactly what I thought. Why the hell are all people thinking that Australia should be added to DAK? What ride opportunities would Australia have? The land is 90% desert or semi-desert, a little rainforest in the north and some minor mountain ranges (really nothing worth mentionable from an European or American POV), a big red rock in the center and the outback may look quite good in a Crocodile Dundee movie but it's not exactly what I call an interesting landscape. And there are NO ancient ruins, no signs of lost early civilisations there, no temples, pyramids or huge statues. OK the wildlife is quite bizarre (Kangaroos etc.) and very venomous too (Sydney Funnel Web Spider, Taipan, Death Adder, Box Jellyfish etc) but do you really think a dark ride "POISON - The most venomous animals in the world" would beat WWoHP? Why do all people believe Australia would be so damn interesting as an addition?
If there should be a continent added (and not an updated Beastly Kingdomme instead of that cheap Camp Mickey Minnie which would be even better) it should be South America. Every single one of the major countries in South America is far more interesting than the entire Australian continent (Brazil, Venezuela, Argentina, Peru.. ) with mountains far higher than the rockies, the largest rainforest in the world, the giant swampland Pantanal, ancient ruins like Macchu Picchu and the highest waterfalls in the world on the venezuelean Tefui (Table Mountains) and the South American wildlife makes Australia look exactly like what 80% of the continent are, a semidesert or desert. Even Oceania would be more interesting than this extremely overrated Australia.

But as the point "DAK needs rides not lands" is absolutely right, it would be better to add attractions to the existing lands, plus existing rides and change some major flaws in the design.

Example given:

Expand Kali River Rapids: The present rapids are a mere joke, it is possibly the shortest river rapid ride in Florida. No surprise that they originally where planned with the double length and then watered down (haha) to cut costs. Bring them (if possible) to their originally planned length and people will do them more often because at the moment this short experience is not worth a repeated wait.

Major refurb of Dinoland: Throw out the entire Chester and Hester eyesore, build the originally planned excavator rollercoaster and add another c- or d-ride.

Add an e-ticket range attraction to Harambe/Africa. At the moment all you can do in entire Africa is go on the less than thrilling Kilimanjaro Safari (we did it four times and never really saw something interesting) or go on the Pangani Forest Trail. Big deal. I won't even mention the most boring ride in WDW, the "Wildlife Express" *yawn* to Rafikis Planet Watch. We didn't visit it once during our last stay, not because I don't like educational attractions but because they are so underwhelming. And to get there you have to board the "Wildlife Express". They have to change that, make Rafikis Planet Watch an area that can be reached on walkways OR make the Wildlife Express a REAL experience.
Plus the Kilimanjaro Safaris. More AAs (real animals are not enough as most of them are not doing much the whole day) and a fake Kilimanjaro (something in the range of 200+ feet high with snow cap, cloud effect etc. ) in the background of the area with forced perspective that makes an awesome sight even when you don't see any animals. I mean after all it is called KILIMANJARO SAFARI, not Ngrongoro-Safari.

Add a real attraction ( a RIDE) to Rafikis Planet Watch, for example a Rain Forest Ride. Similar to Peter Pans flight you are boarding suspended ride vehicles and go on a journey through the rain forest.

Improve Camp Minnie Mickey, add at least an attraction ( and i mean again a RIDE not another show, there are enough shows in DAK) if they don't want to tear it down completely.

Just some ideas.
 

Cosmic Commando

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I think that's why it rubs me the wrong way, especially of late. AK is a very shallow park. So when people make it out to be some nearly perfect experience, and the most they can say it, "The theming is so amazing!", that's pretty shallow. True, Disney is known for theming and it's one of the things that sets it apart, but it's back to the cake and frosting analogy - if it's all frosting, and little to no cake, it ceases being frosting and becomes a bowl full of sugar and butter.

I think I love DAK because I really try to, but I agree with everything except the "PotC or HM level ride". The Safari is totally at that level for me; I could definitely ride multiple times each day at DAK. But if the Safari is PotC, where is the HM? Where is Peter Pan, IASW, Buzz, Pooh, etc.? While what is there is generally good, the park also has some of the worst theming in the World in spots: Dino-rama and an entire Adirondack-themed land whose sole attraction is an African stage show.
 

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