WDW 2010: Same old pixie dust?

[CBOMB]

80% to 90% of the show is installed and being programmed and at least three ride vehicles are cycling at any given time. We are definitely at the point where we know what this ride will be.

Truer words have never been spoken.

I was addressing other people in this forum that are not actually involved in the project like you are. I also know how enthusiastic you have been about it. I was just pointing out that it was to soon for those of us on the outside to be making defining comments about HP or FL. We can really only speculate on things that have managed to leak out. Having said that, I think HP is going to set the standard for Disney to try to achieve in the future.

Believe me I want to share a lot more but I'm pretty sure I've already crossed the line by a long shot.

I know you can't say more. I'm just happy when you do post. Your insight is very much appreciated here.

 

[WDW1974]

I very clearly said Eisner was not a "quality first" person. He admits he wanted "quantity first", the antithesis and enemy of quality.

I know what you said. And repeating it makes it no truer.

From theme parks and resorts to films to consumer products to TV, Eisner was absolutely keen on quality above all else for most of his tenure. His final five years were largely more misses, but Disney wouldn't exist today, let alone as the media behemoth it is if not for Michael's leadership.

The record both creatively and financially speaks for itself.

Look at the list of movies released under Eisner. And I mean a complete list. Except for the half dozen JK inspired movie classics (at most!), the list is utterly forgettable.

Ah, so now Jeffrey is responsible for all the successes at the Studios?
And Disney had a whole lot more than six hits in Eisner's tenure. Both animated and live action. Both creative and financial.

Go do some research and look.

I readily admit turning around live action has been difficult for Iger but it will be happening on a more consistent basis from now on I believe.

That's fine. You believe it. I'm not sure. I know Rich Ross has no experience in the film business. I know what kind of reputation he had at Viacom. I also know that any of the films that come out in the next 18-months to two years (and there will be plenty of big hits) aren't his, they're Cook's

Nobody on this board equates Eisner with a consistent quality product. Nobody.

JT, you're a hoot. I wouldn't claim to be able to speak for my entire household, yet you feel you can speak for everyone here?

I very much doubt that.

Perhaps you have forgotten how and why Roy ran him out. And please don't give me your canned "money" propaganda line. It was over quality and the Disney legacy that ME either did not understand or disrespected.

Get a clue.

No. You need to get a clue. Roy Disney didn't give a damn about what was going on until he got in bad financial straits and the Board was going to toss him and hold him to the retirement age. Only then did he suddenly have issues. And by then, it was too late.

 

[WDW1974]

It's really, really aggravating when you take it upon yourself to speak for the members of this forum, jt. :fork:

I need to read ahead before posting because I just said the same thing.

Unless JT's been elected spokeman for the Pixie Dust Addicts here:ROFLOL:

I've read alot of members opinions on wdwmagic who think the Eisner legacy was of the highest level and quality, until he got spooked by EuroDisney.

That was part of it. So was his brush with death. And Frank Wells dying at waaay too young an age, left him without his top LT. and the one most likely to push back. And then came embarrassing failures like 'Disney's America' (something that would have likely happened if Frank had lived because he had the political tact that Michael often lacked) and the fighting in SoCal between Anaheim and Long Beach for the second park. And buying ABC/Cap Cities (a truly great move, but one that made Disney into a huge company that couldn't be so easily micro-managed as the one he came into in 1984). There was also a period when many long-time execs left (either of their own choice or were pushed out). ... Basically, there was way too much pulling Michael in a million different directions and he wasn't surrounded by the best people by that point (many of those folks are high in Iger's ranks today, I'd also point out).

But anyone who wants to know what Eisner's parks legacy will be ought to head over to Paris and see the masterpiece that he was very involved with in a way that some delusional fanbois believe Iger is overlooking MK's F-land project or the DCA makeover.

 

[WDW1974]

Once again i don't understand how anyone's interest or lack of interest in Harry Potter would affect their decision to experience this land and especially Forbidden Journey. I have never had an interest in Song of the South but I love Splash Mountain. I think Star Wars is okay but when Star Tours came out it became one of my favorite rides of that time.

My advice, if you are interested in having a great time and experiencing one of the greatest attractions of all time, is to forget about the IP the land is based off of and go see it at least once. I am certain you and your family will be far from disappointed. Don't stop visiting Disney in its place but allow yourself a day at IOA to see something new and worthwhile for a change in Orlando.

Well said.

A great attraction transcends the source material, no matter how good or bad, how popular or obscure, how new or old, it is.

I'm not a Potter geek. Never read a book. Only saw four of six films. None in a theater. But I love quality attractions that take me into new worlds of fantasy. That's what I'm hoping for at IOA ... and I have the feeling I'm not gonna be disappointed.

 

[WDW1974]

Logic is one thing. Continued bias slants is another. You say you enjoyed your trips this year, but have never stated what, why or when you were there, or what you enjoyed. Perhaps a little "pixie dusting" from you would swing some of the naysayers.

And this be the interwebz, everyone can have an illogical thought to post.

We all have bias. Part of the human condition. But I resent when people try and portray me as unfairly harsh on the Mouse. Most folks in the real world think I'm a Disney apologist, which ought to tell you plenty about online fourms.

I've loved all my Disney trips this year and I've got one more before the end of the year. Enjoyed Anaheim and Paris more than Orlando, to be fair, but had a few great visits there too. I actually did a thread on WDW. And it died more quickly than a red-shirted crew member on the original Star Trek. I haven't posted 'reports' per se on Anaheim and Paris, but have commented in many threads about them. And if anyone has a question, they're free to ask.

I am a fanboi at heart, after all. I just long ago built up a resistence to pixie dust and marketing magic over substance.

 

[WDW1974]

This thread would be fine if you were not out to try and bait people.

I am not out to 'bait' anyone. I am looking to stimulate discussion over deeper issues than something getting painted or a new planter being added.

BTW - your interest in JT's "bulge" raises some lets just say "questions" about you. :wave:

Really? Like what?

 

[WDW1974]

Good point. If he were discovered to be gay, it would immediately discredit any criticisms he has of Disney's business practices.

Being gay is actually a good thing at Disney ... it's a very gay-friendly company and for that they should be commended.

 

[_Scar]

I was addressing other people in this forum that are not actually involved in the project like you are.

Actually you said nobody knew about Harry Potter. You should read your posts some time, man. That helps.

I know what you said. And repeating it makes it no truer.

From theme parks and resorts to films to consumer products to TV, Eisner was absolutely keen on quality above all else for most of his tenure. His final five years were largely more misses, but Disney wouldn't exist today, let alone as the media behemoth it is if not for Michael's leadership.

The record both creatively and financially speaks for itself.

The man chose Dinoland over Beastly Kingdom. Obviously this man does not know how to run a theme park! Can't judge him on anything else, but still... BK gone because of him?! He's dead to me...


:lookaroun:lol: no really :fork:

 

[RSoxNo1]

The man chose Dinoland over Beastly Kingdom. Obviously this man does not know how to run a theme park! Can't judge him on anything else, but still... BK gone because of him?! He's dead to me...


:lookaroun:lol: no really :fork:

That's not entirely true. He choosed Dinoland over Beastly Kingdom for the park opening - but there was every intention of opening Beastly Kingdom later on.

That being said, there were other mistakes between 1998-2002 that contributed to Beastly Kingdom not being built, but that's besides the point.

 

[Erika]

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Originally Posted by WDW1974

because some of these fanbois are incapable of that ... so they look to derail the thread. They also know the mods here have itchy trigger fingers, which honestly might better be served by nicely explaining to certain folks that if they have nothing to add to a thread but personal shots, assorted stuff and not-so-veiled attempts to get threads killed that they cease or leave the site.









And while I'd never want to moderate any online forum, a truly thankless task, I wouldn't want people purposely causing turmoil by stalking other posters and derailing topics.

There are plenty of topics I have no interest in, so I don't drop by them and attack the posters. For some here, it's a habit. And I am my no means the only one who notices.

No one has to agree with what another post's, but you either offer up an opinion (facts are always a help) or you don't post. But you don't get to come in and effectively blow up an interesting discussion because you don't know how to discuss and debate things in an adult fashion.

It gets tiresome. I don't want to be the subject of every thread I appear in because I dare criticize Disney (or anything else).

I want to stay here because there are some great posters here and it can be a fun forum to discuss Disney and themed entertainment. But I don't want to constantly defend myself vs. my views.

There are many great posters here and it is a shame that some threads disappear because of the actions of a few, but it's a judgment call we mods have to make at times. By the time something gets reported, there are sometimes pages of posts which need review/removal and frankly it appears that those who want to bicker and name-call have more free time than those of us who are here to clean it up.

Back to the discussion at hand...

 

[WDW1974]

That's not entirely true. He choosed Dinoland over Beastly Kingdom for the park opening - but there was every intention of opening Beastly Kingdom later on.

That being said, there were other mistakes between 1998-2002 that contributed to Beastly Kingdom not being built, but that's besides the point.

All correct.

And if wasn't for him, we wouldn't have DAK at all.

 

[WDW1974]

There are many great posters here and it is a shame that some threads disappear because of the actions of a few, but it's a judgment call we mods have to make at times. By the time something gets reported, there are sometimes pages of posts which need review/removal and frankly it appears that those who want to bicker and name-call have more free time than those of us who are here to clean it up.

Back to the discussion at hand...

That's true enough ... and there's too many of us who spend too much time here when we're 'supposed' to be doing other things ... ya know, like ... work ...and stuff!

 

[SirGoofy]

That's true enough ... and there's too many of us who spend too much time here when we're 'supposed' to be doing other things ... ya know, like ... work ...and stuff!

*Looks at Thermodynamics and System Dynamics homework*

Guilty.

:lookaroun

 

[EPCOT Explorer]

That's true enough ... and there's too many of us who spend too much time here when we're 'supposed' to be doing other things ... ya know, like ... work ...and stuff!

Learn to multitask.

Hell, that gets me A's....:lol::lookaroun


Interesting reading in here, though.

 

[Wilt Dasney]

Being gay is actually a good thing at Disney ... it's a very gay-friendly company and for that they should be commended.

I'm well aware. The sentiment expressed in my post was so patently absurd that I figured no "Sarcasm" tag would be needed.

 

[Bork Bork]

Well said.

A great attraction transcends the source material, no matter how good or bad, how popular or obscure, how new or old, it is.

I'm not a Potter geek. Never read a book. Only saw four of six films. None in a theater. But I love quality attractions that take me into new worlds of fantasy. That's what I'm hoping for at IOA ... and I have the feeling I'm not gonna be disappointed.

Well reasoned points from whylightbulb and WDW1974...but for me, interest drives my discretionary and vacation spending. I won't go out of my way to experience or spend money on that which interests me not.

Thanks, however, for making me look at it another way. Who knows, maybe I'll come around.:wave:

 

[epcotWSC]

Most likely won't be visiting WDW next year (just want to go elsewhere), but I'll probably be back in 2011, so if nothing's new next year, I won't mind.

 

[nemofinder22]

Nope.

Much like the great Eureka parade that DCA debuted with, I've been told PoD floats have been dismantled/destroyed.

I'm still trying to find out if DL's off-again, on-again, off-again 55th Anniversary parade is either ... well, off or on.

Right now, MK plods on with 1991 and 2001 era parades.

Eureka was a wonderful parade! and then I saw a pic of the floats being smashed behind Screamin and it was so sad at least Pixar Play Parade is great and an improvement over Block Party.

POD had a good run just enough as far as years shown, heres hoping for a new one for the 55th

By all means, ask away ... I'll tell you anything you'd like to hear about my few days at the Happiest Place in Anaheim.

Hmm overall what made it so enjoyable upkeep, cast, new offerings(though minor this year)? Did you go during Halloween Time? any thoughts on how it was kicked up this year? How was seeing DCA full of walls? thats all I can think of for now.


As for the topic at hand if there isnt anything significant or minor save a trip from going to WDW this year and head to DLR and see World of Color! and the minor things like the updated Lincoln(even though it opens in Dec) Silly Symphony Swings, Goofy's Sky School, and a firework show for each season, R...DCT winter/spring, Magical summer, Halloween Screams Sept-Oct and Believe Nov-Dec but if you go Jan-May ROA is walled and drained taking Fantasmic! out with it too Jan-June, and watch out for the walls at DCA

 

[WDW1974]

I'm well aware. The sentiment expressed in my post was so patently absurd that I figured no "Sarcasm" tag would be needed.

Oh, I got it. ... But some folks aren't quite so quick as this Spirit!

Personally, I hate smileys. People need to pick up on things like nuance, sarcasm and true meanings.

 

[WDW1974]

Well reasoned points from whylightbulb and WDW1974...but for me, interest drives my discretionary and vacation spending. I won't go out of my way to experience or spend money on that which interests me not.

Thanks, however, for making me look at it another way. Who knows, maybe I'll come around.:wave:

who knows? maybe you will ... there was a time when WDW was all I ever thought I wanted when it came to vacationing. ... Then I started visiting our national parks and far flung states and territories ... and going abroad many times ... and even spending lots of time at other Disney resorts too.

It's like a friend of mine who always has vanilla ice cream 'because I like it' ... nothing wrong with that. But how do you know you wouldn't like chocolate and cherry, butter pecan or cookies and cream unless you've tried them?