WDW 2010: Same old pixie dust?

[Innoventions]

so...same old pixie dust, what about that stuff?...hahaha

 

[EPCOT Explorer]

Hardly, I actually experienced it and know what I'm saying. The quaintness of the early years was a very large component of the magic and charm of the place. That is to a large extent what people miss. We have a "Mystic Manor"-esque ride called The Haunted Mansion. And it is easily a more quality expeience now, in and of itself, than it was in the early days. But it isn't as magical geting there. That is the difference. But I can only describe the situation because it's impossible for you to experience the difference. Because the WDW that was, was bulldozed in the 1990's. Fortunately, much of the quality can still be found if you know where to look. And with the new Fantasyland, more "QUALITY" is on the way after a looooooong drought of about 10 years.

But the quaintness and more personal experience can never be quite the same. I do pity anyone who never experienced that.

You forget that I experienced it too. :wave:

I see what you are saying, and I see that quality is coming, but why did we have to wait? That's what's wrong here. :lol:

 

[jt04]

You forget that I experienced it too. :wave:

I see what you are saying, and I see that quality is coming, but why did we have to wait? That's what's wrong here. :lol:

Here we agree.

Eisner was not a "quality first" guy. He believed in quantity. He readily admitted that and it even worked at times. He came up with the direct to video and mass producing of movies and television. The vast majority of the product he supervised is now largely forgotten with some exceptions.

Iger seems to be a "quality first" guy. And that quality is popping up everywhere as it slowly takes over the Disney corporation. It takes time though. The problems were deep and widespread.

 

[Innoventions]

Here we agree.

Eisner was not a "quality first" guy. He believed in quantity. He readily admitted that and it even worked at times. He came up with the direct to video and mass producing of movies and television. The vast majority of the product he supervised is now largely forgotten with some exceptions.

Iger seems to be a "quality first" guy. And that quality is popping up everywhere as it slowly takes over the Disney corporation. It takes time though. The problems were deep and widespread.

I have begun to notice this in a great deal, its making me extremely excited, hopefully for a good reason.

 

[TURKEY]

eh he just talks to much he reminds me of a flower sunflower nope daisy nope pansy yep.

Would you like to go answer the multiple questions that have been asked of you in this thread?

http://forums.wdwmagic.com/showthread.php?t=481978

 

[CDavid]

1. Why the looooooooong drought? Shouldn't or don't you think something should have been done prior to now?


2. I'm optimistic that "QUALITY" is on the way, but I don't think you can say for sure yet. Ground hasn't even been broken on the expansion yet. I mean, we're getting another spinner

That 'long drought' is just one more reason you can't blame everything on the economy, which hasn't been in the toilet for all of the past 10-15 years that Walt Disney World has failed to recieve the attention it needed. Indeed, had more been done in the past decade, it wouldn't be quite as bad an issue not having new experiences in 2010

I have very high hopes for Mermaid, like most people. If things have really changed at Disney, wonderful and it will be great for us, but judging solely by Disney's track record over the past decade, three years until opening is plenty of time to cut budgets and scale back the attraction and expansion. From all indications it looks impressive and that it will get done right, but we just don't know that yet for a fact.

 

[jt04]

I have begun to notice this in a great deal, its making me extremely excited, hopefully for a good reason.

Think about it. DCA, China MK, new HK Lands, Fantasyland expansion, new ships, PatF, Rapunzel, new WDW DVC's, ABC's resurrgence, Prep and Landing, Hawaii DVC, DLR expansion, Pixar's improvement, and much much more in the pipeline.

 

[EPCOT Explorer]

Here we agree.

Eisner was not a "quality first" guy. He believed in quantity. He readily admitted that and it even worked at times. He came up with the direct to video and mass producing of movies and television. The vast majority of the product he supervised is now largely forgotten with some exceptions.

Iger seems to be a "quality first" guy. And that quality is popping up everywhere as it slowly takes over the Disney corporation. It takes time though. The problems were deep and widespread.

As always, I am cautiously optimistic. And I want proof. :lookaroun:wave:


Yes, we've seen some thus far with D23 and the rest...but the ULTIMATE proof? When we don't have these threads anymore. It could be possible.:wave:

 

[Fade_to_Blah]

Everyone seems to do it with DCA and FLand.

I feel the same way about DCA and FLand. Lets wait until its build. Its fair to say everything looks promising though

 

[_Scar]

Would you like to go answer the multiple questions that have been asked of you in this thread?

http://forums.wdwmagic.com/showthread.php?t=481978

NOOO

CBOMB needs to answer my questions first! :lol:

 

[captain marvel1]

which tests would that be :hammer:

 

[TURKEY]

That 'long drought' is just one more reason you can't blame everything on the economy, which hasn't been in the toilet for all of the past 10-15 years that Walt Disney World has failed to recieve the attention it needed. Indeed, had more been done in the past decade, it wouldn't be quite as bad an issue not having new experiences in 2010

Exactly. That's what I was arguing when the economy is quoted as being the reason nothing is coming in 2010.

MK hasn't received much love in the past 10 years - certainly not much expansion or real improvement or growth.

 

[RSoxNo1]

If the determining factor of attendance was most thrilling attractions than Islands of Adventure would have had more of an impact, and Six Flags would be in competition with Disney as well.

The reality is that to get the attendance numbers (and in turn almighty tourist dollars) that Disney garners, you need to have a healthy balance of thrilling attractions and family friendly experiences. Universal Studios Florida accomplishes this to a certain extent, Islands of Adventure does not. Unfortunately, I'm not expecting Harry Potter to severely impact Disney's attendance - I would very much like it to cause a significant drop across the board, but I don't see it happening.

 

[WDW1974]

Actually nobody knows how Harry Potter or FL is going to turn out. It would seem very foolish to evaluate at this stage of the game.

Agreed. But the least we can say is that both companies are clearly trying here with their respective projects. UNI can at least say that its signature attraction is unique, however, and not a clone of an attraction being manufactured for DCA ... oh, and maybe some other park too!

Yes Disney has made some very horrible mistakes. Yes management is responsible for that. Ask Lee or Martin or Tirian or Whylightbulb or Corrus (if he's still around. I won't put Steve on the spot by bringing him into it. It just seems like a few people don't like to hear it when someone like '74 saids it.

That's cause I'm smarter, better looking, wittier and just plain more magical then them dudes. They all know it.:ROFLOL::king:

Actually WDW1974 doesn't make any of his threads all about him. He's much more interesting in real life than any of his threads could ever be. For some reason people like you attempt to make his threads about him. I wish you could explain why you, and others do that. Are you jealous of him or something. Are you so intimidated by his views that you feel it's necessary to lash out at him? It's really so much easier to just say I think you're wrong with that opinion, and here's why.

because some of these fanbois are incapable of that ... so they look to derail the thread. They also know the mods here have itchy trigger fingers, which honestly might better be served by nicely explaining to certain folks that if they have nothing to add to a thread but personal shots, assorted stuff and not-so-veiled attempts to get threads killed that they cease or leave the site.

jt04 stalks '74 from post to post. He can't help himself. He has an obsession. I've even offered to get him an autographed picture of '74 to help him with it.

I think you should make him pay for it. Start the bidding at $20,000, so you can buy yourself a DVC.

Your wrong on that last one. WDW1974 doesn't like Disney, he loves Disney. My gosh, there are a lot of people that think Disney does a lot of things wrong.

I have the bank and credit receipts, brochures and loads of assorted Disney trinkets to more than prove that.

Because again, someone who hates Disney would take three trips to WDW in 2009, along with trips to DLP and DL, all while planning a trip to TDR in 2010.

Yep. Where's the logic with these people? Shouldn't a basic IQ test be required to post thoughts anywhere?

The stalking continues. You just can't get enough of him can you jt04?

I'm just glad someone else notices because it really is beyond sad.

 

[WDW1974]

I want to hear about your DL trip:wave:

By all means, ask away ... I'll tell you anything you'd like to hear about my few days at the Happiest Place in Anaheim.

 

[WDW1974]

See, I was around back then and I know it is unrealistic to expect they can ever bring back the quaint aspects of WDW's early years.

Asssuming this is true, and with you it's a big leap as sometimes i wonder if you've ever set foot in WDW, no one is suggesting WDW be 'quaint' again.

That can never be. What was once a vacation paradise hidden in a giant region of lakes, scrub pine forests, wetlands and orange groves is now a HUGE hotel/timeshare/entertainment complex that really is like a city and has many of the same ills. It isn't the oasis it was in its first 25 years because it is so massive and urban sprawl that it brought surrounds it on almost all sides.

But WDW can offer the same (or close) QUALITY that it did from say 1971-1996. But it doesn't come close. And that's a business decision.

It is impossible for many reasons. However, considering the issues caused by the amazing growth that has happened over the years, they still do an amazing job. I'm feel bad for you that you have bought into a way of thinking that is so erroneous. That spin is false.

No, JT. Your constant schizophrenic rants about how wonderful things are now is what's false ...

Now people can demand Disney try to bring back that type experience of the early years, but they will only fail in their efforts because it's impossible to put ME's WDW genie back in the bottle. They will fail and so will the WDW we now can still enjoy.

Stop blaming Eisner. He has effectively been gone for five years now. This is all on The Weatherman. And he's wetting on my pixie dust parade and saying it's raining!:king::drevil:

 

[WDW1974]

No offense to anyone involved in these tete a' tetes, but I think it might be time to close this thread down. Things seem to be getting way too personal, and definitely off track from the original theme.....

No offense, but since that seems to be the goal of some of the more feeble minds here (or just not mature ones), I have an issue with that.

If they can't communicate anything worthwhile to a discussion, then they need to sit it out or leave the site.

With the exception of a few people (you wouldn't need a whole hand to count them) everyone else is engaging in a very interesting discussion and the answer isn't letting the kids control the classroom.

If the thread gets shut, then I'll just start the same one all over again because that's not how to deal with this situation at all.

The discussion needs to be about WDW's immediate future, not the fact that some people don't like me because I couldn't give two (expletive deleted) about that.

BTW, anyone want to talk about the biggest announcement/development this decade (and likely one of the biggest ever) from Disney Parks and Resorts? Judging by the fact there are more posts in this thread about a certain Spirit than in the buried thread on Shanghai, I'd say no.

FWIW, that's just as well ... because I found out some things tonight that are very intriguing and I can't put them out now anyway without endangering employment of certain spirits, which I won't do. But it's all ... um ... ah ... interesting!

 

[WDW1974]

Why is it in news and rumors anyway? The topic is more general discussion or even just chit chat. :shrug:

Oh well.

You aren't killing the thread JT. Sorry. You want an online peeing contest?

The actual discussion in this thread has more substance than 90% of what is on News and Rumors. Steve himself has added his two cents worth. As has on of the designers of Harry Potter.

And you wanna bury it? Good luck. Because if you do, you won't have to worry about me. I'll post it again ... and then i'll leave the site because God knows you certainly raise its credibility more than I do.

My strong advice is that you take a time out because you need it.

 

[WDW1974]

Here we agree.

Eisner was not a "quality first" guy. He believed in quantity. He readily admitted that and it even worked at times. He came up with the direct to video and mass producing of movies and television. The vast majority of the product he supervised is now largely forgotten with some exceptions.

Iger seems to be a "quality first" guy. And that quality is popping up everywhere as it slowly takes over the Disney corporation. It takes time though. The problems were deep and widespread.

Do you believe half of what you post?

Eisner didn't believe in quality? What do you call the second Golden Age of Disney Animation? Hell, who got in business with Pixar to begin with? What about the amazing theme parks and resorts that he championed around the globe? Sure, there were misses, but far more hits.

Quality absolutely mattered to the man. But what do you know? Have you ever as much as said 'hello' to him? I doubt that. I had numerous personal and professional dealings with Michael and he cared. He was passionate about the parks. He was always one of the first, if not the first, to actually experience new attractions.

Iger? The man has passion for his own power and status. He takes arrogance to a level never before seen at Disney. And he is no fan of P&R. Not his thing.

The vast majority of what Eisner was responsible for was good to phenomenal and set the stage for Iger to piggyback onto it ... and that's what he's done.

You're truly clueless about this. No nice way to put it. And since you have zero inside knowledge, unlike others, you're simply showing ignorance with pride.

There are a lot of things I don't have a clue about. But I'm smart enough to not talk about them like I do. It's a lesson you really should learn.

 

[WDW1974]

Think about it. DCA, China MK, new HK Lands, Fantasyland expansion, new ships, PatF, Rapunzel, new WDW DVC's, ABC's resurrgence, Prep and Landing, Hawaii DVC, DLR expansion, Pixar's improvement, and much much more in the pipeline.

DCA was going to be fixed regardless of who ran the company. It was flawed and couldn't be left adrift.

Eisner is the one who pushed expansion into China originally. Shanghai has been actively seeking a DL since before DLP opened. Iger is simply doing what any businessman in that job would do.

But why am I even wasting time here? You are giddy over timeshares. I find that pathetic. Just utterly pathetic.

And you give Iger credit for films he had almost nothing to do with, but none to the man who did ... who he turned around and axed a month ago to go with a film neophyte? And Pixar's improvement? What the hell are you talking about? Do you even know?

Forget it ... my head hurts. :wave: