WDW 2010: Same old pixie dust?

[Erika]

because some of these fanbois are incapable of that ... so they look to derail the thread. They also know the mods here have itchy trigger fingers, which honestly might better be served by nicely explaining to certain folks that if they have nothing to add to a thread but personal shots, assorted stuff and not-so-veiled attempts to get threads killed that they cease or leave the site.

The fact of the matter is, this doesn't always work and threads often spin out of control after multiple warnings. We don't have time to spend the day baby-sitting each individual thread and as it is I am responding to this one-handed with an infant in my lap. Your post has been edited due to language. Please respect the censors and don't try to get around them. They are in place for a reason. Thanks.

 

[Figment632]

No offense, but since that seems to be the goal of some of the more feeble minds here (or just not mature ones), I have an issue with that.

If they can't communicate anything worthwhile to a discussion, then they need to sit it out or leave the site.

With the exception of a few people (you wouldn't need a whole hand to count them) everyone else is engaging in a very interesting discussion and the answer isn't letting the kids control the classroom.

If the thread gets shut, then I'll just start the same one all over again because that's not how to deal with this situation at all.

The discussion needs to be about WDW's immediate future, not the fact that some people don't like me because I couldn't give two (expletive deleted) about that.

BTW, anyone want to talk about the biggest announcement/development this decade (and likely one of the biggest ever) from Disney Parks and Resorts? Judging by the fact there are more posts in this thread about a certain Spirit than in the buried thread on Shanghai, I'd say no.

FWIW, that's just as well ... because I found out some things tonight that are very intriguing and I can't put them out now anyway without endangering employment of certain spirits, which I won't do. But it's all ... um ... ah ... interesting!

You don't seem capable of doing this with anyone :shrug:

 

[jt04]

Do you believe half of what you post?

Eisner didn't believe in quality? What do you call the second Golden Age of Disney Animation? Hell, who got in business with Pixar to begin with? What about the amazing theme parks and resorts that he championed around the globe? Sure, there were misses, but far more hits.

Quality absolutely mattered to the man. But what do you know? Have you ever as much as said 'hello' to him? I doubt that. I had numerous personal and professional dealings with Michael and he cared. He was passionate about the parks. He was always one of the first, if not the first, to actually experience new attractions.

Iger? The man has passion for his own power and status. He takes arrogance to a level never before seen at Disney. And he is no fan of P&R. Not his thing.

The vast majority of what Eisner was responsible for was good to phenomenal and set the stage for Iger to piggyback onto it ... and that's what he's done.

You're truly clueless about this. No nice way to put it. And since you have zero inside knowledge, unlike others, you're simply showing ignorance with pride.

There are a lot of things I don't have a clue about. But I'm smart enough to not talk about them like I do. It's a lesson you really should learn.

I very clearly said Eisner was not a "quality first" person. He admits he wanted "quantity first", the antithesis and enemy of quality. Look at the list of movies released under Eisner. And I mean a complete list. Except for the half dozen JK inspired movie classics (at most!), the list is utterly forgettable.

I readily admit turning around live action has been difficult for Iger but it will be happening on a more consistent basis from now on I believe.

Nobody on this board equates Eisner with a consistent quality product. Nobody. Perhaps you have forgotten how and why Roy ran him out. And please don't give me your canned "money" propaganda line. It was over quality and the Disney legacy that ME either did not understand or disrespected.

Get a clue.

 

[MousDad]

Nobody on this board equates Eisner with a consistent quality product. Nobody.

It's really, really aggravating when you take it upon yourself to speak for the members of this forum, jt. :fork:

I've read alot of members opinions on wdwmagic who think the Eisner legacy was of the highest level and quality, until he got spooked by EuroDisney.

 

[whylightbulb]

Actually nobody knows how Harry Potter or FL is going to turn out. It would seem very foolish to evaluate at this stage of the game.

80% to 90% of the show is installed and being programmed and at least three ride vehicles are cycling at any given time. We are definitely at the point where we know what this ride will be.

You are certainly correct. Disney is no longer the old Disney. Kind of a shame in many, many ways.

Truer words have never been spoken.

 

[whylightbulb]

You big tease!

Believe me I want to share a lot more but I'm pretty sure I've already crossed the line by a long shot.

 

[whylightbulb]

I've been reading a lot of the Potter posts here and have to guess that I must represent at least a small percentage of Orlando theme park guests for whom PotterLand will have no impact. :shrug:

For lack of interest, I've never read the books or seen the movies and most likely never will. That doesn't mean they're somehow bad in my view, just means that HP's not my thing.

I'm sure I will be able to appreciate HP Land from a technical or design standpoint, but it simply holds no attraction for me and my family. I'm not blind enough to think that HP will have no impact on Disney's plans or bottom line, but for me...my $ and my family will keep going to WDW.

Once again i don't understand how anyone's interest or lack of interest in Harry Potter would affect their decision to experience this land and especially Forbidden Journey. I have never had an interest in Song of the South but I love Splash Mountain. I think Star Wars is okay but when Star Tours came out it became one of my favorite rides of that time.

My advice, if you are interested in having a great time and experiencing one of the greatest attractions of all time, is to forget about the IP the land is based off of and go see it at least once. I am certain you and your family will be far from disappointed. Don't stop visiting Disney in its place but allow yourself a day at IOA to see something new and worthwhile for a change in Orlando.

 

[whylightbulb]

I read his posts. You don't think that makes him a bit biased? Much like all the Disney apologists that think Disney can do no wrong?

People said Test Track was going to be great before it opened. Same for the new Rockit at Universal. When they are open and working, then you could say yes, but they both have/had major issues/delays in opening/early operations.

I also worked on Test Track and I've said from the beginning that it would suck. Just because I work on a project doesn't mean that I will automatically think it will turn out okay. I'm not the only decision maker and sometimes either budget, bureaucracy, schedule or a number of other factors can get in the way. That's not to say I'm perfect either. The difference here is that we have been guided by J.K. Rowling who is extremely passionate and zealous regarding her property and has ensured everything would be in place to produce a major E ticket that would not disappoint.

Of course the economy plays a major part in this. However, why wasn't Fantasyland approved with the major profits that were being made in previous years.


Do you understand that what would be built in 2010 would have been approved in 2009 or earlier? 2010 attractions, especially major ones would be coming out of a budget of prior years as well as 2010. They would have likely been green lit in 2008 or 2009 depending on what type of attraction it was.

Couldn't agree more.

 

[ryanduggers]

Doesn't it seem a little ironic that the main voice of reason on this thread on Disney's future is a Universal guy.

I am not a big fan of HP, but good design & execution would make me want to give it a chance, regardless of where it is.

 

[mcjaco]

Your wrong on that last one. WDW1974 doesn't like Disney, he loves Disney. My gosh, there are a lot of people that think Disney does a lot of things wrong.

And I'm one of them. I don't think everything they've done is all sunshine and roses, but I don't consistently post negative threads.

And good job on taking a tongue in cheek post seriously.

As always, I am cautiously optimistic. And I want proof. :lookaroun:wave:

A wise road to take. :animwink:

If the determining factor of attendance was most thrilling attractions than Islands of Adventure would have had more of an impact, and Six Flags would be in competition with Disney as well.

The reality is that to get the attendance numbers (and in turn almighty tourist dollars) that Disney garners, you need to have a healthy balance of thrilling attractions and family friendly experiences.

An excellent point. Which is exactly why Six Flags management is moving to a more family oriented setting. Family attractions bring in the largest attendance.

Yep. Where's the logic with these people? Shouldn't a basic IQ test be required to post thoughts anywhere?

Logic is one thing. Continued bias slants is another. You say you enjoyed your trips this year, but have never stated what, why or when you were there, or what you enjoyed. Perhaps a little "pixie dusting" from you would swing some of the naysayers.

And this be the interwebz, everyone can have an illogical thought to post.

 

[MousDad]

Logic is one thing. Continued bias slants is another. You say you enjoyed your trips this year, but have never stated what, why or when you were there, or what you enjoyed. Perhaps a little "pixie dusting" from you would swing some of the naysayers.

mcjaco, you're my buddy and trust me I'm not trying to slam you, but you might have missed this:

http://forums.wdwmagic.com/showthread.php?t=467888

What's funny is that 74 actually (and accurately apparently) predicted that nobody would notice this thread because he was being positive. :lol:

But, again, I agree with your premise, in that I don't think it would hurt 74 from a PR view to post in other news/discussion threads with normal fanboyish thoughts, rather than only his biting editorials.

 

[mcjaco]

mcjaco, you're my buddy and trust me I'm not trying to slam you, but you might have missed this:

http://forums.wdwmagic.com/showthread.php?t=467888

What's funny is that 74 actually (and accurately apparently) predicted that nobody would notice this thread because he was being positive. :lol:

But, again, I agree with your premise, in that I don't think it would hurt 74 from a PR view to post in other news/discussion threads with normal fanboyish thoughts, rather than only his biting editorials.

:ROFLOL: :ROFLOL: :ROFLOL: :ROFLOL: :ROFLOL:

I stand corrected!

 

[Daannzzz]

I am also not a fan of Harry Potter. I have not read the books or seen all the movies and the movies I did see, while pretty good where not my cup of tea. However I am greatly looking forward to the land at IoA as it looks to be beautiful and high quality and detailed. That is what I am looking for. Take me places I can't or don't normally go (the opposite of DCA) and wow me. I probably will not ride the attraction much as I get motion sick easy. I hope it is a great attraction but also wish there were a mellower dark ride involved. I look forward to the opinions of all Imagineers no matter what park they are working on.

 

[EPCOT Explorer]

A wise road to take. :animwink:

Thank you! Seriously, there is moderation in everything...YES, choosing a side is important is times of "crisis" , but nothing is black and white...unfortunately. (Crisis....not really...It's Disney World. :lol

There are parts of TWDC that are making leaps and bounds right now. That's a good thing. Starting to get positive. Starting. It could still stop.:lookaroun:lol: Same with the bad things. There is SOME turn around. Both has to be acknowledged.

Pardon my lapse of consistency with my Doom and Gloomer brethren...:lookaroun:lol: The subjective truth has to have a word in, sometimes...:lol:

 

[RSoxNo1]

I am also not a fan of Harry Potter. I have not read the books or seen all the movies and the movies I did see, while pretty good where not my cup of tea. However I am greatly looking forward to the land at IoA as it looks to be beautiful and high quality and detailed. That is what I am looking for. Take me places I can't or don't normally go (the opposite of DCA) and wow me. I probably will not ride the attraction much as I get motion sick easy. I hope it is a great attraction but also wish there were a mellower dark ride involved. I look forward to the opinions of all Imagineers no matter what park they are working on.

I had never read any of the books, and I had seen the first two movies. Then I decided I wanted to read all the books and follow each one with the movie. I've read the first 3 books, re-watched the first two movies (I'll probably watch the third next week).

In my opinion, the stories are getting better, the third book has been the best that I've read so far - They're compelling stories and I'm eager to experience the land. I know that J.K. Rowling had some ridiculously high expectations for her franchise, so I can only hope that the land lives up to those expectations.

 

[jt04]

mcjaco, you're my buddy and trust me I'm not trying to slam you, but you might have missed this:

http://forums.wdwmagic.com/showthread.php?t=467888

What's funny is that 74 actually (and accurately apparently) predicted that nobody would notice this thread because he was being positive. :lol:

But, again, I agree with your premise, in that I don't think it would hurt 74 from a PR view to post in other news/discussion threads with normal fanboyish thoughts, rather than only his biting editorials.

So I see the old "mousdad" condescension is back. Yep the man who stands above it all and sets people straight by declaring who is right and who is wrong. You patronize me and 74 and your sense of self importance is glaring. Must be from living in D.C. too long.

And I love how you disagree with my Eisner assessment by adding a qualifier to your response. Classy as always. (three eye rolls to denote extreme sarcasm.)

 

[SMRT-1]

You aren't killing the thread JT. Sorry. You want an online peeing contest?

The actual discussion in this thread has more substance than 90% of what is on News and Rumors. Steve himself has added his two cents worth. As has on of the designers of Harry Potter.

And you wanna bury it? Good luck. Because if you do, you won't have to worry about me. I'll post it again ... and then i'll leave the site because God knows you certainly raise its credibility more than I do.

My strong advice is that you take a time out because you need it.

This thread would be fine if you were not out to try and bait people.
BTW - your interest in JT's "bulge" raises some lets just say "questions" about you. :wave:

 

[Wilt Dasney]

This thread would be fine if you were not out to try and bait people.
BTW - your interest in JT's "bulge" raises some lets just say "questions" about you. :wave:

Good point. If he were discovered to be gay, it would immediately discredit any criticisms he has of Disney's business practices.

 

[TURKEY]

I also worked on Test Track and I've said from the beginning that it would suck. Just because I work on a project doesn't mean that I will automatically think it will turn out okay. I'm not the only decision maker and sometimes either budget, bureaucracy, schedule or a number of other factors can get in the way. That's not to say I'm perfect either. The difference here is that we have been guided by J.K. Rowling who is extremely passionate and zealous regarding her property and has ensured everything would be in place to produce a major E ticket that would not disappoint.

I haven't seen anything of your Test Track posts so I had no idea. I also haven't followed HP that closely to see what's going on and how breakthrough it will be so I'm going based on what everyone seems to be saying.


I'm glad to hear that you think it's going to be top notch.

Hypothetical for you: if a tornado struck tomorrow and demolished all of what had been built, do you think it would be rebuilt to the same degree or would Universal finances end up cutting some scale and quality from a rebuild?

 

[WDW1974]

Quote:
Originally Posted by WDW1974

because some of these fanbois are incapable of that ... so they look to derail the thread. They also know the mods here have itchy trigger fingers, which honestly might better be served by nicely explaining to certain folks that if they have nothing to add to a thread but personal shots, assorted stuff and not-so-veiled attempts to get threads killed that they cease or leave the site.

The fact of the matter is, this doesn't always work and threads often spin out of control after multiple warnings. We don't have time to spend the day baby-sitting each individual thread and as it is I am responding to this one-handed with an infant in my lap. Your post has been edited due to language. Please respect the censors and don't try to get around them. They are in place for a reason. Thanks.

Well Erika, my first thought is don't drop the baby!

And while I'd never want to moderate any online forum, a truly thankless task, I wouldn't want people purposely causing turmoil by stalking other posters and derailing topics.

There are plenty of topics I have no interest in, so I don't drop by them and attack the posters. For some here, it's a habit. And I am my no means the only one who notices.

No one has to agree with what another post's, but you either offer up an opinion (facts are always a help) or you don't post. But you don't get to come in and effectively blow up an interesting discussion because you don't know how to discuss and debate things in an adult fashion.

It gets tiresome. I don't want to be the subject of every thread I appear in because I dare criticize Disney (or anything else).

I want to stay here because there are some great posters here and it can be a fun forum to discuss Disney and themed entertainment. But I don't want to constantly defend myself vs. my views.

Just some thoughts ... and congrats on the baby!