Two random workers with plans at DHS

Tom

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There's no way in the world a CM is sitting on stage smoking a cigarette, no way, no how.

They're probably not technically CMs. They're probably a 3rd party surveying firm, or guys from BVCC.

OP can probably tell us if they had name tags.

Regardless, they weren't just "some dudes" who happened to be in DHS with survey plans. Period.
 

TurboCaroline

Is it 5:00 yet?
It looks like they were marking on "old" plans. It says Super Star Television where AI is. They probably just made copies of the old plans to use to sketch on. Official plans are usually 24x36 anyway...
 

Tom

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It looks like they were marking on "old" plans. It says Super Star Television where AI is. They probably just made copies of the old plans to use to sketch on. Official plans are usually 24x36 anyway...

The legal descriptions they attach to all of the building permits filed with Orange County often have the old/original names of rides/shows/pavilions listed. While cosmetic name changes are made all the time, it takes a lot of administrative actions to change the names of actual structures on legal surveys.

Besides, these are fresh print-outs, and not copies, so they were printed from "current" AutoCAD files.

Also, surveyors often work off of 8.5x14 paper, since that's what recorded plats and legal descriptions are always printed on when filing with local jurisdictions. Also, it's a lot handier to carry around piece of paper rather than full-size plans. You can be significantly less conspicuous (obviously not invisible - hence this thread).
 

TurboCaroline

Is it 5:00 yet?
The legal descriptions they attach to all of the building permits filed with Orange County often have the old/original names of rides/shows/pavilions listed. While cosmetic name changes are made all the time, it takes a lot of administrative actions to change the names of actual structures on legal surveys.

Besides, these are fresh print-outs, and not copies, so they were printed from "current" AutoCAD files.

Also, surveyors often work off of 8.5x14 paper, since that's what recorded plats and legal descriptions are always printed on when filing with local jurisdictions. Also, it's a lot handier to carry around piece of paper rather than full-size plans. You can be significantly less conspicuous (obviously not invisible - hence this thread).
Hmm interesting...Surveys are always e-mailed to me in either a .pdf or a .dwg. I never knew how they actually did things in the field. I didn't take that class in college...:lookaroun
 

Tom

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Hmm interesting...Surveys are always e-mailed to me in either a .pdf or a .dwg. I never knew how they actually did things in the field. I didn't take that class in college...:lookaroun

Ha!

I've seen them in every variation possible, I think. DWG, DWF, PDF, 8.5x14, 24x36, 30x42 and my least favorite 36x48 (which doesn't fit on any plan table ever manufactured).

I'm sure the ones these guys are using are just quick plots from larger files so they had something to carry to the parks with. They probably should have been there after hours too - but I don't think they got that memo :lol:
 

MiklCraw4d

Member
The 7-digit numbers are identifiers for survey points - either benchmarks, radius points, elevation markers or other registered landmarks used for reference later.

Based on the type of pencil the guy is using, he's in the engineering field. But based on his tool belt and its contents, they are likely surveyors. This is further evidenced by the hand-written comment asking them to find a "current survey for this area".

Based on the notes in red, it appears that these gentlemen have been tasked with taking a survey of the area inside the red lines. The note-writer (who is an architect or engineer, based on their hand writing and the way they draw their arrow heads) is saving them some time by letting them know there was a survey done within the last year for the "food cart" area.

The +/-10' comment is telling them to make note of anything in that general area.

What are they ultimately doing? Absolutely no way to tell from these photos (or from the papers they have). All we can tell is that they've been given the task of surveying that area. They'll take their findings back to the designers, who will then use it for the mystery project.

EDIT: Awesome photos, btw. If we only had more ninja spies like you at our disposal, there would be NO secrets!


I just wanted to say that your posts are awesome and super-informative and appreciated. I could tell they were survey markers, but would never have spotted the rest.

I did get a laugh out of all the old building names on the survey chart, though. The Soundstage Restaurant, the Walt Disney Theater...

GREAT pics, OP
 

Vernonpush

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For what it is worth, there were a group of guys walking around the BAH while Disney Channel Rocks! was going on with plans in hand...they were rolled up but there was a lot of pointing...

What were they pointing at? Be specific! What? No video? What kind of a Ninja are you?:ROFLOL:

(I was serious about what they were pointing at.)
 

VT GAL

Member
Sorry about the uber fail of pics/video...I'm a bad ninja! :/

They were mostly pointing up and around the top of the BAH. Almost like sight lines...it was super loud & too many ECVs to get close.

I will not fail again... :D
 

inluvwithbeast

New Member
Sorry about the uber fail of pics/video...I'm a bad ninja! :/

They were mostly pointing up and around the top of the BAH. Almost like sight lines...it was super loud & too many ECVs to get close.

I will not fail again... :D

Where is the ECV rant thread when you need it?

I work at a mall, and our security guards all ride Segways. The other day I was leaving work happened upon a man chewing out one of the guards on his ride.

He says, "Doesn't anyone WALK ANYMORE?!?"
 

BrerFrog

Active Member
The 7-digit numbers are identifiers for survey points - either benchmarks, radius points, elevation markers or other registered landmarks used for reference later.

Based on the type of pencil the guy is using, he's in the engineering field. But based on his tool belt and its contents, they are likely surveyors. This is further evidenced by the hand-written comment asking them to find a "current survey for this area".

Based on the notes in red, it appears that these gentlemen have been tasked with taking a survey of the area inside the red lines. The note-writer (who is an architect or engineer, based on their hand writing and the way they draw their arrow heads) is saving them some time by letting them know there was a survey done within the last year for the "food cart" area.

The +/-10' comment is telling them to make note of anything in that general area.

What are they ultimately doing? Absolutely no way to tell from these photos (or from the papers they have). All we can tell is that they've been given the task of surveying that area. They'll take their findings back to the designers, who will then use it for the mystery project.

EDIT: Awesome photos, btw. If we only had more ninja spies like you at our disposal, there would be NO secrets!

Well done, Mr. Holmes. :D
 

Fable McCloud

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Those schematics look like maybe something to do with the electrical line or possibly even something with the Osbourne light displays.

You can never really tell with stuff like this.:shrug:
 

Tom

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Those schematics look like maybe something to do with the electrical line or possibly even something with the Osbourne light displays.

You can never really tell with stuff like this.:shrug:

They're for the area directly in front of the GMR/Chinese Theater. I don't see anything that resembles electrical work on them. They're just property surveys.
 

Atomicmickey

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We're missing the obvious! It's right in front of us!

I don't know why I didn't see it before . . . . . . .

newhat.jpg
 

The Empress Lilly

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Atomicmickey owns! That is just hilarious. :lol:


I think the oversized yellow lighter lookd better than the oversized blue hat. And imagine the fireworks possiblities!
 

Master Yoda

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Ha!

I've seen them in every variation possible, I think. DWG, DWF, PDF, 8.5x14, 24x36, 30x42 and my least favorite 36x48 (which doesn't fit on any plan table ever manufactured).

I'm sure the ones these guys are using are just quick plots from larger files so they had something to carry to the parks with. They probably should have been there after hours too - but I don't think they got that memo :lol:
E size is the devil! These days we seem to get the majority of our plans electronically and then print them out ourselves. Nine times out of ten I'll print on 11x17 as it is so much easier to work with.
 

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