Would you say an expensive, high draw, low capacity indoor coaster next to an existing indoor coaster in the worlds most visited theme park is what’s needed?
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News Tron coaster coming to the Magic Kingdom
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trainplane3
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+ having the Peoplemover pass through the building, because it only makes sense when it passes through literally every other part of TL.
Jrb1979
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No but I think they should do something with the Stitch building instead. Put Tron in Epcot in Future world as it fits better then Guardians. If anything put an S&S space shot in Trons place.
lazyboy97o
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Ew.
trainplane3
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...a flipping space shot? As if sightlines aren't being wrecked enough let's stick a giant pole, on a berm, with lovely views of ugly building roofs. Too tall and it's ugly, too short and it's a complete waste of the attraction.
It's literally one of the most generic attractions you could possibly name.
Jrb1979
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It's better then hiding steel track inside a warehouse.
Just like 7DMT....
lazyboy97o
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Not really.
Horizons '83
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- In the Parks
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I feel like TRON would have been a good addition to DHS, on the open plot there. MK/Epcot is not the right spot for it but hey, I'm just a message boarder.
aliceismad
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Dark rides are certainly what makes Disney stand apart for me. Anyone can throw up a coaster. The best rides, for me, are the immersive, story-telling rides.
UNCgolf
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Which is exactly why more are needed. Heavily themed story-based rides are Disney's market. It doesn't make sense for them to chase another segment that they absolutely cannot win.
They're never going to compete with other parks in roller coasters. Building a coaster may attract some new coaster enthusiasts once or twice, but they're going to gravitate back to Cedar Fair and other places that are full of coasters. Most regional Six Flags dwarf WDW in terms of roller coasters.
That's not to say they shouldn't ever build any coasters; it's fine to have a few. But trying to attract coaster fans is a losing battle for them. It just doesn't make much business sense to build huge ones (and certainly doesn't make sense for them to put in something like a space shot) because it won't be much of a draw.
Disney is different than most other parks around the world. Whether that's good or bad is personal preference (you clearly would prefer it be more like most other parks), but it's nice to have a place like Disney that focuses on different experiences from your standard park.
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Jrb1979
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I don't see why they couldn't build a coaster like Velocicoaster. It's themed well and is intense. I don't really understand why they can't have a bit of both. Why can't they build more thrilling high themed rides? One of the best attraction that fits in that category was Extraterrestrial.
aliceismad
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A space shot in Magic Kingdom?
I could see it in random carnival land, I mean Pixar Pier/Paradise Gardens, at DCA.There is so much potential for the Stich building space. I'd hate to see it used on a ride that you can get at any Six Flags.
Disneyhead'71
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DisMOM: "Disney doesn't need to build ugly thrill seeking speed machines. Disney parks are "family" parks and need to stay that way!"
Same DisMOM to 14 year old son: "Why is all you want to do here at WDW is stay in the room and watch Netflix? Come to EPCOT with us, I got you a Frozen Ever After FP+. That's your sister's favorite ride."
Son: "I'd rather have a root canal". (pulls up velocicoaster POV on YouTube)
Same DisMOM to 14 year old son: "Why is all you want to do here at WDW is stay in the room and watch Netflix? Come to EPCOT with us, I got you a Frozen Ever After FP+. That's your sister's favorite ride."
Son: "I'd rather have a root canal". (pulls up velocicoaster POV on YouTube)
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UNCgolf
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It's not really well themed in Disney terms, though. It's almost impossible to theme a huge coaster -- something like Expedition Everest (which isn't huge or intense in overall coaster terms) is probably the best you can do. The other option is a ride like Revenge of the Mummy, which is a hybrid coaster/dark ride, but it's also not intense compared to something like the Velocicoaster.
That doesn't mean they couldn't build one, and one could probably fit in at DHS. It wouldn't be much different from SDD from a story/theme perspective. The bigger issue is the matter of space used vs. drawing potential. Building a coaster like that takes up a lot of space. SDD takes up a huge amount of space in DHS. If you're going to use up a significant amount of space that could have been used for something revenue producing like a restaurant and shops, or for another ride (or two) that might actually drive attendance long-term.
I'm pretty sure Disney has done the research and come to the conclusion that building something like the Velocicoaster just wouldn't benefit them. It wouldn't drive attendance (especially in the market they really cater to -- I think they'd prefer not to build many rides that most 6 year olds simply cannot ride) or produce revenue correspondent to the space it would occupy.
That's not to say something like the Velocicoaster won't drive attendance to Universal, because it probably will. But even Universal has a different core market than Disney.
lazyboy97o
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This is rich coming from the guy who was just claiming that Test Track is too extreme to be considered family friendly in defense of a slow “racing” ride with a higher height requirement.
UNCgolf
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I know you're joking, but this is such a bizarre stereotype. Not every 14 year old boy only cares about thrill rides -- and generally speaking, if they only care about it as a 14 year old, then they also only cared about it as an 8 year old and it's the only thing they're going to care about as a 25 year old and a 45 year old too. That just means they're not really Disney's market audience and would be better off at Cedar Fair or a Six Flags. I have two nephews who are in that age range and they both absolutely loved WDW, and I loved WDW as a 14 year old too.
Considering Disney's attendance continues to increase and dwarfs most other parks, changing their whole business strategy doesn't seem like an especially good idea (although it could use changing in some areas, the types of rides they focus on isn't one of them).
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rle4lunch
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Disney would surely start losing out to Uni and others if all they offered was dumbo spinners and slow dark rides though. i get the whole diversification of offerings that they're going with, just not the park placements. they have to stay competitive.
aliceismad
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Disney can't be all things to all people, and it shouldn't. If some people would prefer more thrills, great. That's why there are different parks, like Universal or Six Flags or Cedar Fair. Take them there. Or maybe let the kid miss out and be happy. Or maybe teach the kid to suck it up. We all have to do things in life that we don't like. Going on FEA with your little sister isn't really much of a sacrifice.
We have so many threads on here about what makes Disney magical, and is Disney losing the magic. Disney needs to make rides that retain that intangible, unquantifiable feeling that hooks people and makes them want to come back. (And apparently buy merch.)