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News Tron coaster coming to the Magic Kingdom

UNCgolf

UNCgolf

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rle4lunch said:
Disney would surely start losing out to Uni and others if all they offered was dumbo spinners and slow dark rides though. i get the whole diversification of offerings that they're going with, just not the park placements. they have to stay competitive.
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I'm not sure they would -- there are huge numbers of people who don't care about coasters and the people who do are always going to have better options than WDW -- but that wasn't my argument anyways. Tron is fine. The location is bad and the ride could easily be a lot better, but I was talking more about giant, intense coasters like the Velocicoaster. I don't think that's feasible for Disney for multiple reasons and I also don't think they need to build anything remotely like it to maintain their status.

Building attractions like Rise of the Resistance is what keeps them ahead. Building huge coasters would just be chasing a market they're never going to win.
 
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Disneyhead'71

Disneyhead'71

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lazyboy97o said:
This is rich coming from the guy who was just claiming that Test Track is too extreme to be considered family friendly in defense of a slow “racing” ride with a higher height requirement.
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I do believe in that conversation we were discussing bulding an interactive dark ride using the Test Track system that would be suitable for 3-4 year olds. Not 14 year olds. Most 3 year olds can't even see out of the test track RV.

UNCgolf said:
I know you're joking, but this is such a bizarre stereotype. Not every 14 year old boy only cares about thrill rides -- and generally speaking, if they only care about it as a 14 year old, then they also only cared about it as an 8 year old and it's the only thing they're going to care about as a 25 year old and a 45 year old too. That just means they're not really Disney's market audience and would be better off at Cedar Fair or a Six Flags. I have two nephews who are in that age range and they both absolutely loved WDW, and I loved WDW as a 14 year old too.

Considering Disney's attendance continues to increase and dwarfs most other parks, changing their whole business strategy doesn't seem like an especially good idea (even though it could use changing in some areas -- the types of rides they focus on isn't one of them).
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Wait! But aren't Disney bulding, not one but, 2 thrill coasters at WDW as we speak? Just after opening a medium thrill family coaster in Toy Story Land? That came shortly after building 7DMT?

aliceismad said:
Disney can't be all things to all people, and it shouldn't. If some people would prefer more thrills, great. That's why there are different parks, like Universal or Six Flags or Cedar Fair. Take them there. Or maybe let the kid miss out and be happy. Or maybe teach the kid to suck it up. We all have to do things in life that we don't like. Going on FEA with your little sister isn't really much of a sacrifice.

We have so many threads on here about what makes Disney magical, and is Disney losing the magic. Disney needs to make rides that retain that intangible, unquantifiable feeling that hooks people and makes them want to come back. (And apparently buy merch.)
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This argument drives me nuts.

You: How dare you want a "Cheeseburger" for lunch this is a gourmet restaurant. You tasteless heathens need to stick to McDonald's!!!"

Me: "But I want a Wagyu Beef burger with Maytag Bleu Cheese, caramelized onions, sherry grilled Portobello, and garlic aioli with a side of duck fat fried Parmesan Truffle Fries".

You: "Too bad. Eat your Big Mac and shut up."
 
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lazyboy97o

lazyboy97o

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Jrb1979 said:
I get it. It's not highly themed its not a good ride. Sorry for ever bringing it up. I didn't think Disney fans had an elitist attitude til being on this board.

I personally don't see an issue with putting more thrilling rides into Disney. Make it something for everyone. All their thrill rides are just meh.
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It’s not elitism. It’s you walking into a comedy and constantly asking and complaining about the lack of action scenes. If you prefer coasters and big thrill rides then go to places that serve that audience instead of constantly complaining that Disney isn’t changing to be more like what you want and playing the victim because everyone isn’t on board with your preference to change the parks into more of a thrilling amusement park instead theme park.
 
UNCgolf

UNCgolf

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Disneyhead'71 said:
Wait! But aren't Disney bulding, not one but, 2 thrill coasters at WDW as we speak? Just after opening a medium thrill family coaster in Toy Story Land? That came shortly after building 7DMT?
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Not really?

SDD and 7DMT are family coasters. Tron is essentially a family coaster too -- it may have higher thrill/intensity levels, but it's not even remotely close to something like the Velocicoaster or Incredible Hulk at Universal; they're on a completely different level (and coasters at other parks are even more intense). I'm sure major coaster fans will scoff at Tron. It's also a clone of a ride they already built elsewhere, which is the biggest reason it's going in at WDW.

Guardians is kind of its own separate thing. It's an attempt at a themed story coaster which they have specifically called "family-friendly". It's almost certainly not going to have the intensity levels of something like Velocicoaster either.
 
aliceismad

aliceismad

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Disneyhead'71 said:
This argument drives me nuts.

You: How dare you want a "Cheeseburger" for lunch this is a gourmet restaurant. You tasteless heathens need to stick to McDonald's!!!"

Me: "But I want a Wagyu Beef burger with Maytag Bleu Cheese, caramelized onions, sherry grilled Portobello, and garlic aioli with a side of duck fat fried Parmesan Truffle Fries".

You: "Too bad. Eat your Big Mac and shut up."
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Are you likening WDW to gourmet and thrill rides to McDonald's? See in my mind, neither is "better" than the other. They're more like different types of cuisines. You can have a fantastic park full of thrill rides, innovative rides, and other things. You can also have a crappy park that doesn't invest in interesting experiences and has cookie-cutter rides.

Disney is the same. They can choose to be at the top of their game or the bottom. Tron seems to be a solid 5ish or so, I would say. I'm sure many here would say FEA is more akin to frozen chicken nuggets than wagyu beef burger.

If your kid only wants to eat Food X, they may never be happy if you take them to Food Y. It's not Food Y Restaurant's job to add Food X to the menu if they don't want to, and doing so may lessen the quality of their product. Universal has done a good job of forming a fusion between a Six Flags and a Disney experience, but they still skew toward a core audience that differs from Disney.
 
rle4lunch

rle4lunch

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Jrb1979 said:
I get it. It's not highly themed its not a good ride. Sorry for ever bringing it up. I didn't think Disney fans had an elitist attitude til being on this board.

I personally don't see an issue with putting more thrilling rides into Disney. Make it something for everyone. All their thrill rides are just meh.
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Lol, you've obviously never scrolled FB DVC pages. Talk about 1st world problems. I've never seen such a mix of complete pompousness and at the same time cluelessness on any level. One person will post about water pressure being too good in a resort, so they'll never stay there again (i'm quoting here, "it blew my nipple off!") 10 seconds later another person will ask for recommendations on where they should eat, because they've got allergy x... (hey, how about taking 5 seconds and searching the WdW app or website???).
 
Disneyhead'71

Disneyhead'71

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aliceismad said:
Are you likening WDW to gourmet and thrill rides to McDonald's? See in my mind, neither is "better" than the other. They're more like different types of cuisines. You can have a fantastic park full of thrill rides, innovative rides, and other things. You can also have a crappy park that doesn't invest in interesting experiences and has cookie-cutter rides.

Disney is the same. They can choose to be at the top of their game or the bottom. Tron seems to be a solid 5ish or so, I would say. I'm sure many here would say FEA is more akin to frozen chicken nuggets than wagyu beef burger.

If your kid only wants to eat Food X, they may never be happy if you take them to Food Y. It's not Food Y Restaurant's job to add Food X to the menu if they don't want to, and doing so may lessen the quality of their product. Universal has done a good job of forming a fusion between a Six Flags and a Disney experience, but they still skew toward a core audience that differs from Disney.
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Well, telling someone in a Disney forum that 'Oh you like rollercoasters? That is what Six Flags is for. You'll love it there.' Is akin to saying "McDonald's is more fitting to your taste, or lack there of.".

No one is asking for Disney to build Top Thrill Dragster. Just a few more rides that move slightly faster than a park bench. More stuff like ToT, Everest, and RnR.
 
BrianLo

BrianLo

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HauntedPirate said:
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Agreed. Future World is dumb... Tron needs to go in the China Pavilion because that's where the Portal to the Grid is now located. #Storytelling


Non-sarcastically, I think what everyone is actually asking for is Magic Kingdom's Indy Equivalent. Which is both thrilling, but a high capacity dark ride and not a total retread of anything already in the park.
 
lazyboy97o

lazyboy97o

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Disneyhead'71 said:
Well, telling someone in a Disney forum that 'Oh you like rollercoasters? That is what Six Flags is for. You'll love it there.' Is akin to saying McDonald's is more fitting to your taste, or lack there of.".

No one is asking for Disney to build Top Thrill Dragster. Just a few more rides that move slightly faster than a park bench.
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Not when one outright states a preference for big coasters, Six Flags and Cedar Fair.
 
UNCgolf

UNCgolf

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Disneyhead'71 said:
Well, telling someone in a Disney forum that 'Oh you like rollercoasters? That is what Six Flags is for. You'll love it there.' Is akin to saying "McDonald's is more fitting to your taste, or lack there of.".

No one is asking for Disney to build Top Thrill Dragster. Just a few more rides that move slightly faster than a park bench. More stuff like ToT, Everest, and RnR.
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I don't think anyone said or even suggested that Disney shouldn't ever build rides like Everest or ToT. The point was that Disney should be focusing on building highly themed experiences (those attractions are) and not giant coasters like the Incredible Hulk that are barely themed at all in an effort to simply add thrills. It's almost impossible to build a gigantic, intense coaster that's also highly themed..
 
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GimpYancIent

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UNCgolf said:
I don't think anyone said or even suggested that Disney shouldn't ever build rides like Everest or ToT. The point was that Disney should be focusing on building highly themed experiences (those attractions are) and not giant coasters like the Incredible Hulk that are barely themed at all in an effort to simply add thrills. It's almost impossible to build a gigantic, intense coaster that's also highly themed..
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There can be more to a ride (experience) than simply experiencing high "G" forces.
 

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