UNCgolf
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If money went towards ensuring reliable operations, it apparently wasn't well spent. The ride is having serious problems recently.
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If money went towards ensuring reliable operations, it apparently wasn't well spent. The ride is having serious problems recently.
Disney Analyst
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The average guest doesn’t think about nor care how much anything cost to build.
They care about:
How long do I have to wait?
Is it a fun ride?
Was it worth the wait?
I know we are on a message board if diehards who do care, and that’s fine, but it feels like this conversation has been going in circles. We know the alleged cost.
Is the ride a success or not? Is it filling a niche at Epcot? Is it doing what it is meant to do?
They care about:
How long do I have to wait?
Is it a fun ride?
Was it worth the wait?
I know we are on a message board if diehards who do care, and that’s fine, but it feels like this conversation has been going in circles. We know the alleged cost.
Is the ride a success or not? Is it filling a niche at Epcot? Is it doing what it is meant to do?
danlb_2000
Premium Member
But the average guest does think about vacation costs and what new things have opened since their last visit, and build cost impacts both of those things.
UNCgolf
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I think it's definitely a success, but I'm also not sure it's performing as well as Disney hoped and maybe not quite doing what they wanted it to do. It doesn't seem to be driving crowds from the other parks to EPCOT.
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EPCOT is still largely an unattractive option for many, and I think a lot of people are happy to visit for a short period to do Cosmic Rewind, Soarin', Spaceship Earth, Test Track, Rat - and leave. I think it is especially a hard sell for single day tickets. I could imagine someone buying a single day ticket for MK and DHS, but EPCOT?
UNCgolf
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That definitely makes sense.
I get the impression that Disney management thought Guardians alone would be enough to drive crowds, though. Especially since they cancelled (or indefinitely postponed) most of the other changes/additions that were supposed to come, like Mary Poppins and the SSE overhaul. That plus the amount of money they spent on Guardians makes me think they had expectations that it would go a long way towards "fixing" EPCOT mostly by itself (along with Ratatouille, to be fair). That doesn't seem to be happening.
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Maybe GoTG, Poppins, Spaceship Earth, Play! pavilion, Rat, and a popular new nighttime show all opening within a year would have done the job. But somewhat like the DHS relaunch, it fizzled out.
jaxonp
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Lots of single day conference tickets are sold to Epcot. Lots.
gerarar
Premium Member
I would've agreed like a month ago when CR was performing amazingly, but CR has been really performing bad for the past couple days/weeks.
For the past two days, the ride performed operationally at its worst since it opened. Down 37% of the day yesterday, and 36% day before. The ride shut down yesterday around 6pm and never reopened.
And because of this, the afternoon 1pm drop has been filling quicker than the morning 7am drop, which is unheard of.
Reliability has sadly taken a turn for the worst with Guardians.
Animaniac93-98
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If Disney ended park hopping altogether, EPCOT's attendance would sink to record lows.
Not having the Dining Plan is also hurting the park IMO, because it had the most options to use those credits for dinner.
Animaniac93-98
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Those are discounted tickets, just like the After 4 AP.
I'd go to EPCOT for a day if it were, say, $50 + tax or less, but that's obviously not the case.
You are mistaken into thinking about just inflation. Of course no major park could built Hogsmeade for what it was over 20 years ago compared to now.
My post was adjusting for inflation. Disney has been overinflated for a long time. We are not talking of just regular inflation.
And they did build Hogsmeade for relatively the same budget(regular inflation and research and development costs reduced) again in Hollywood, then Diagon Alley in Orlando and then Hogsmeade again in Bejing after they opened Hagrid's and Velocicoaster.
Disney's costs are just Disney-inflated wackynunu. The simple fact that Little Mermaid cost more than Forbidden Journey proves that alone.
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Exactly. There is a reason it is the only Disney stateside theme park to have constant food and concert events as well as an after 4pm pass for a long time. I am a Public Educator out in the middle of nowhere USA and when I hear of families going to Florida, they always cut out or mention they did not go to EPCOT.
It was funny, I took my in-laws to an evening at EPCOT a few years ago because of hopping, otherwise their their 4 days spent at the other parks would never have let them there and my father-in-law in the evening around World Showcase said "(This is what I pictured Downtown DIsney being like, lots of themed shopping and dining)
That says it all right there. Really well themed food and shopping for most of the park in most people's eyes with decaying so so in other spots and as you said, too little too late for some whizbangs to carry all of the weight.
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lazyboy97o
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I wasn’t talking about regular inflation. Universal is not delivering projects on the small budgets they were a decade ago. Their costs have well exceeded inflation and are quickly catching up to Disney.
Not true at all from everything I have ever seen. Could I see some numbers showing that? Now you are saying quickly catching up but that is vague and still not Disneywackynunu based on what numbers have been put out there. It is not the same.
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lazyboy97o
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Universal Beijing cost more than Shanghai Disney. They’re spending over $6 billion on the South Campus.
TheMaxRebo
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It is also the largest park, capacity wise, so another reason why they would have the convention tickets and after 4 tickets for there as well - if interest in Epcot was the same as the other parks there would still be more space there than the other parks
Epcot is also my favorite park so I am obviously biased for it
erasure fan1
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In my personal opinion, the only single day ticket you can justify is the magic kingdom. Even with star wars, the studios is a tough sell for a single day in my eyes.
This is misleading without more information with it.
Universal Beijing has a bigger acreage than Shanghai Disney, and do not forget it was constructed six years later Shanghai Disneyland was under construction far before and opened in 2016. Universal Beijing is larger and ...much completed in Pandemic year 2020 that fell over six years later. Even with that Shanghai Disneyland still cost more with inflation alone.
To your second part, the six billion Epic Universe estimate is for the entire project, not just the park and its attractions.
The theme Park, large onsite hotel. new shopping district, back of house operations and all of the new administration and warehouses, and Transporation logistics between the two resort properties all on a "plot" that is twice of the size of the acreages their current resort sits on that will have the infastructure for more theme parks and resort hotels in the future.
Universal still delivers more for less.
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