News Tron coaster coming to the Magic Kingdom

[MisterPenguin]

They took the boffins off the GMR to fix tech issues at SWL.

That's a new one to this Yank.

Boffin - Wikipedia

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[Movielover]

They took the boffins off the GMR to fix tech issues at SWL.

*The next morning meeting after SWL opens

Many Boffins died to bring us this E Ticket Attraction...

 

[eddie104]

The reason each attraction was built is different and thus the speed at which each is built is different.

I don’t think Hagrids is the equivalent of SWL is what I’m saying. It’s an awesome ride but no comparison to huge expansion like GE.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

Because it comes off to me as putting in half effort.

If someone tells me they’re going to build a baseball stadium in 6 years (vs the guesstimated average of 3), it would annoy me. Because it could be done in 3. They’re not focused on getting the product to the fans in the shortest timeframe possible... that just doesn’t sit well with me.

My companies all involve shipping hardware and delivering solutions as soon as possible. Yes, that’s far more simplified... but to me it’s all a similar concept. If I told my customers it was going to take two weeks to get them what they need when they know they COULD have it tomorrow (at my extra expense of putting it on a plane or what have you), they’d be ticked. Again... I understand there are far more moving parts with what Disney does. But if their competitor down the street calls me and tells me they can deliver a similar product in far less time, they’re getting my money. I’m not blinded by the brand name or reputation. Just like my customers shouldn’t be by mine.

ASAP isn't how most of the world works, though. There are timelines and production schedules that need to be considered for any industry. The "I want it now" attitude doesn't fly because you've got to consider materials availability, skill availability, quality control, etc. etc. And that doesn't even take into account if the industry being discussed depends on equipment that can possibly go down.

I've posted this story before, but its pertinent here, too...I was a full-time woodcarver and a customer was being a total jack- about the fact that their project wasn't as complete as another, much simpler project. Mind you, it was within a week or so of being completed - and it was going to be finished before the promised date, but that suddenly wasn't enough for them and they were harassing my boss about it in front of not only his entire workforce, but other clients as well. He brought their $1,000, hand-carved sign over to the band-saw, cut it into little pieces right in front of them, and threw them out of his shop. In this instance, we're talking a simple board with a name carved into it vs. an extremely detailed ski scene surrounded with trees, three-dimensional banners on the top and bottom, and 23k gold leaf. All of which had to be carved, then prepped, then painted and sealed - all by hand.

Part of nearly every job I've ever had has been scheduling, time management, and prioritizing, and I'm telling you - even in a small company - rushing every job out the door as quickly as possible is bad business because it will bite you where it hurts every time. The smart thing to do - which is my personal policy - is to promise a completion date that allows time for things to go wrong, and then deliver early when nothing does.

 

[lazyboy97o]

So yes, Uni does get stuff done fast, but in the past few openings, things weren’t finished. At one point they had 2 crews for 5 projects on property. Disney has their own and outsources, Universal goes outsources.

Buena Vista Construction Company is not involved in many of the large construction projects. They tend to work on smaller projects and they have to compete for their jobs same as the third party companies.

 

[Aries1975]

ASAP isn't how most of the world works, though. There are timelines and production schedules that need to be considered for any industry. The "I want it now" attitude doesn't fly because you've got to consider materials availability, skill availability, quality control, etc. etc. And that doesn't even take into account if the industry being discussed depends on equipment that can possibly go down.

I've posted this story before, but its pertinent here, too...I was a full-time woodcarver and a customer was being a total jack-**** about the fact that their project wasn't as complete as another, much simpler project. Mind you, it was within a week or so of being completed - and it was going to be finished before the promised date, but that suddenly wasn't enough for them and they were harassing my boss about it in front of not only his entire workforce, but other clients as well. He brought their $1,000, hand-carved sign over to the band-saw, cut it into little pieces right in front of them, and threw them out of his shop. In this instance, we're talking a simple board with a name carved into it vs. an extremely detailed ski scene surrounded with trees, three-dimensional banners on the top and bottom, and 23k gold leaf. All of which had to be carved, then prepped, then painted and sealed - all by hand.

Part of nearly every job I've ever had has been scheduling, time management, and prioritizing, and I'm telling you - even in a small company - rushing every job out the door as quickly as possible is bad business because it will bite you where it hurts every time. The smart thing to do - which is my personal policy - is to promise a completion date that allows time for things to go wrong, and then deliver early when nothing does.

You are absolutely correct. I never want to be in the position of explaining why my project is behind schedule. I do not make promises I cannot keep.

As a consumer, I would rather be pleasantly surprised by a product with standard shipping arriving early than disappointed that even with expedited shipping a gift missed a birthday or Christmas.

 

[No Name]

Because it comes off to me as putting in half effort.

If someone tells me they’re going to build a baseball stadium in 6 years (vs the guesstimated average of 3), it would annoy me. Because it could be done in 3. They’re not focused on getting the product to the fans in the shortest timeframe possible... that just doesn’t sit well with me.

My companies all involve shipping hardware and delivering solutions as soon as possible. Yes, that’s far more simplified... but to me it’s all a similar concept. If I told my customers it was going to take two weeks to get them what they need when they know they COULD have it tomorrow (at my extra expense of putting it on a plane or what have you), they’d be ticked. Again... I understand there are far more moving parts with what Disney does. But if their competitor down the street calls me and tells me they can deliver a similar product in far less time, they’re getting my money. I’m not blinded by the brand name or reputation. Just like my customers shouldn’t be by mine.

Disney’s not trying to get Tron to fans in the shortest timeframe possible, because from a marketing standpoint, it doesn’t make sense to open it before 2021. The marketing element makes this completely different from the delivery business you describe. Do I personally wish Tron opened sooner? Absolutely. Do I think that would be wise for the company? Absolutely not. And I often want to see investments succeed because it encourages future investment.

That’s why I’m not unhappy, and neither should you be. But alas, we disagree, and we’re starting to go in circles.

Lastly, I’m not “blinded by the brand name,” and if you think that, you‘ve clearly missed my point and haven’t read many of my posts on this site.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Disney’s not trying to get Tron to fans in the shortest timeframe possible, because from a marketing standpoint, it doesn’t make sense to open it before 2021. The marketing element makes this completely different from the delivery business you describe. Do I personally wish Tron opened sooner? Absolutely. Do I think that would be wise for the company? Absolutely not. And I often want to see investments succeed because it encourages future investment.

But TRON is being built in a very reasonable amount of time. It’s not a slow project and it’s not being dragged out to make 2021. It’s the closest thing to a rush at Walt Disney World in a long time.

 

[No Name]

But TRON is being built in a very reasonable amount of time. It’s not a slow project and it’s not being dragged out to make 2021. It’s the closest thing to a rush at Walt Disney World in a long time.

Oh I don’t disagree. I’m admittedly not as knowledgeable as to how long a project like Tron should take, but I believe you. My point is simply that, even if it were hypothetically reasonable to build Tron faster, Disney wouldn’t choose to do so. Even if the whole project was hypothetically started earlier, they’d still finish in 2021 because that’s when they want it finished.

We are arguing separate things. Ironically we were both falsely painted as Disney defenders (“rose colored glasses”, “blinded by the brand name”).

 

[Prince Thomas]

Only 3+ years!!!!!

Pathetic.

It'll be open by this time in 2 years prob

 

[FigmentFan82]

They took the boffins off the GMR to fix tech issues at SWL.

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[Buried20KLeague]

Disney’s not trying to get Tron to fans in the shortest timeframe possible, because from a marketing standpoint, it doesn’t make sense to open it before 2021. The marketing element makes this completely different from the delivery business you describe. Do I personally wish Tron opened sooner? Absolutely. Do I think that would be wise for the company? Absolutely not. And I often want to see investments succeed because it encourages future investment.

That’s why I’m not unhappy, and neither should you be. But alas, we disagree, and we’re starting to go in circles.

Lastly, I’m not “blinded by the brand name,” and if you think that, you‘ve clearly missed my point and haven’t read many of my posts on this site.

To be clear, I wasn't at all saying you're blinded by the brand name. I was using that as an example, and not directing it at you. I've read plenty of what you've written here and we usually see eye to eye. We just disagree on this, as we've both now said.

I also used the wrong analogy with the "rose colord glasses" in my post to @lazyboy97o . I meant something more like we were viewing it through a different prism. Not that one was good or bad... But that they were clearly different.

 

[wedenterprises]

All I'm gonna say is that after Tron I demand a Duke Caboom stunt coaster.

 

[DisneyRoy]

I just look at it this way...what is Tron? It's a coaster with a box around it. How long does it take to build a coaster and a box? It shouldn't take 4 years (or 3+) to do that. I understand Disney's thinking and reasoning, but I agree with Buried20KLeague...and just find it annoying.

 

[lazyboy97o]

I just look at it this way...what is Tron? It's a coaster with a box around it. How long does it take to build a coaster and a box? It shouldn't take 4 years (or 3+) to do that. I understand Disney's thinking and reasoning, but I agree with Buried20KLeague...and just find it annoying.

How long does it take you to read 1,000 pages?

 

[DisneyRoy]

How long does it take you to read 1,000 pages?

What does that have to do with anything?

 

[lazyboy97o]

What does that have to do with anything?

The drawings for TRON could easily number in the hundreds of sheets, if not actually exceeding 1,000 sheets. The specifications would be equally as long if not longer. How long it would take you just to read that much information should tell you the minimum scope of work involved. A lot of the construction until a few months ago overlapped with the work of creating the new drawings and specifications. There should be some basis to saying the work is too slow, so an easy base would be how long would it take you to just read the documents, much less update them based on thousands of pages of regulations.

 

[DisneyRoy]

The drawings for TRON could easily number in the hundreds of sheets, if not actually exceeding 1,000 sheets. The specifications would be equally as long if not longer. How long it would take you just to read that much information should tell you the minimum scope of work involved. A lot of the construction until a few months ago overlapped with the work of creating the new drawings and specifications. There should be some basis to saying the work is too slow, so an easy base would be how long would it take you to just read the documents, much less update them based on thousands of pages of regulations.

I understand that. I also bet the companies building this are fully aware of the complications of building where they are. They probably understand 500 pages of those documents without even needing to read them. My point stands though...it's a coaster in a box. And it annoys me. Just my opinion. Not fact. I know Disney isn't changing their building process any time soon.

 

[𝐌𝖆𝖓 𝖎𝖓 𝐖𝖊𝖇]

All I'm gonna say is that after Tron I demand a Duke Caboom stunt coaster.

That'd be a nice addition to TSL which could use a filler stunt show, IMO.

 

[lazyboy97o]

I understand that. I also bet the companies building this are fully aware of the complications of building where they are. They probably understand 500 pages of those documents without even needing to read them. My point stands though...it's a coaster in a box. And it annoys me. Just my opinion. Not fact. I know Disney isn't changing their building process any time soon.

The architects and engineers have to read them in order to redraw and rewrite them as required by law. You and many other say you are annoyed but provide no actual basis for that annoyance. The major construction that actually encompasses the coaster and its box is around 2 years, not the 3 or 4 that encompasses the entire project and the claims of taking too long.