News Tron coaster coming to the Magic Kingdom

[Buried20KLeague]

You should consider a career in politics, as you blatantly disregarded my question and instead repeated the same general statement you’ve said before!

I don’t believe it goes beyond my general statement. i Don’t understand what’s so crazy about it. Why does it have to be deeper than that?

 

[Buried20KLeague]

Serious question: Would it make you significantly happier if they announced Tron at D23 2019 and constructed it in 2 years? Since it’d still be opening at the same time in 2021, my opinion is that it doesn’t really matter. If you don’t agree, why?

Let me answer you directly, since you believe I’m trying somehow to be diplomatic or redirect.

No, it wouldn’t have made me happier. Announcement dates vs construction start doesn’t shorten build times.

And I don’t agree because Disney takes longer to build (through whatever methodology they choose to use as a reason) than Uni.

 

[No Name]

Let me answer you directly, since you believe I’m trying somehow to be diplomatic or redirect.

No, it wouldn’t have made me happier. Announcement dates vs construction start doesn’t shorten build times.

And I don’t agree because Disney takes longer to build (through whatever methodology they choose to use as a reason) than Uni.

Okay thank you. But I’m still wondering why it matters when they start, if they have a solid time that they plan to finish. Tron is and always was planned to open for the 50th celebration, no earlier. Why does it matter whether they take three years, or start a year earlier and take four?

I don’t get WHY it matters to you.

 

[Buried20KLeague]

Okay thank you. But I’m still wondering why it matters when they start, if they have a solid time that they plan to finish. Tron is and always was planned to open for the 50th celebration, no earlier. Why does it matter whether they take three years, or start a year earlier and take four?

I don’t get WHY it matters to you.

Because it comes off to me as putting in half effort.

If someone tells me they’re going to build a baseball stadium in 6 years (vs the guesstimated average of 3), it would annoy me. Because it could be done in 3. They’re not focused on getting the product to the fans in the shortest timeframe possible... that just doesn’t sit well with me.

My companies all involve shipping hardware and delivering solutions as soon as possible. Yes, that’s far more simplified... but to me it’s all a similar concept. If I told my customers it was going to take two weeks to get them what they need when they know they COULD have it tomorrow (at my extra expense of putting it on a plane or what have you), they’d be ticked. Again... I understand there are far more moving parts with what Disney does. But if their competitor down the street calls me and tells me they can deliver a similar product in far less time, they’re getting my money. I’m not blinded by the brand name or reputation. Just like my customers shouldn’t be by mine.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Because it comes off to me as putting in half effort.

If someone tells me they’re going to build a baseball stadium in 6 years (vs the guesstimated average of 3), it would annoy me. Because it could be done in 3. They’re not focused on getting the product to the fans in the shortest timeframe possible... that just doesn’t sit well with me.

My companies all involve shipping hardware and delivering solutions as soon as possible. Yes, that’s far more simplified... but to me it’s all a similar concept. If I told my customers it was going to take two weeks to get them what they need when they know they COULD have it tomorrow (at my extra expense of putting it on a plane or what have you), they’d be ticked. Again... I understand there are far more moving parts with what Disney does. But if their competitor down the street calls me and tells me they can deliver a similar product in far less time, they’re getting my money. I’m not blinded by the brand name or reputation. Just like my customers shouldn’t be by mine.

This project is not one that could be accomplished in a much shorter timeline. There are plenty of examples of Disney taking longer but this just is not one of them.

 

[doctornick]

Serious question: Would it make you significantly happier if they announced Tron at D23 2019 and constructed it in 2 years? Since it’d still be opening at the same time in 2021, my opinion is that it doesn’t really matter. If you don’t agree, why?

This. Tron is intended to be ready in 2021. What does it matter how long it takes to build (or how long after it was announced or whatever). I don't see how it makes any difference if they started building (say) today and worked more quickly but got done at the same time they are getting done as is.

 

[Buried20KLeague]

This project is not one that could be accomplished in a much shorter timeline. There are plenty of examples of Disney taking longer but this just is not one of them.

Entire parks in the same swamp were built in less time. I don’t believe the timeline couldn’t be shorter if they wanted it to be. They just don’t. Which is fine. And which is what I don’t like as a customer. That shouldn’t bother you.

 

[celluloid]

An announcement is to build hype and future sales. When attractions take longer than the norm it does make a difference to the consumer. There are entire departments dedicated to monitor things such as perception and brand trust.

Tron will be the only major Magic Kingdom attraction in a nearly a decade since New Fantasyland. They have nothing else to hype for their halo park and have cut back on other announcements with a similar timeline.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Entire parks in the same swamp were built in less time. I don’t believe the timeline couldn’t be shorter if they wanted it to be. They just don’t. Which is fine. And which is what I don’t like as a customer. That shouldn’t bother you.

Then and now are not the same. What you believe is not based in any actual fact. Harping on issues that are not true undermines legitimate criticisms, including the many other projects that are plagued by slow timelines.

 

[Buried20KLeague]

Then and now are not the same. What you believe is not based in any actual fact. Harping on issues that are not true undermines legitimate criticisms, including the many other projects that are plagued by slow timelines.

So... normally I’m right, but not in this specific case??

I’ll take that.

And as a consumer I’ll still be unhappy Tron is taking far longer to build than what Uni is bringing to market. Because I can, and I’m tired of TDO’s track record over the past decade.

 

[lazyboy97o]

So... normally I’m right, but not in this specific case??

I’ll take that.

And as a consumer I’ll still be unhappy Tron is taking far longer to build than what Uni is bringing to market. Because I can, and I’m tired of TDO’s track record over the past decade.

A few years ago, yes, you would have been right but still complaining about the one project that is not a good example. You keep talking about Universal, the company that has pushed back its new stunt show from its announced opening and who also had to push back Fast & Furious: Supercharged, a complete dud of an attraction, by a year. Epic Universe is still four years out and even Universal Studios Beijing, which is dominated by clones, has been puttering along. Sinbad closed how long ago but we’re now years away from Hyrule if it ever actually happens. TRON is not taking a meaningful amount of time longer than Universal projects, it just took advantage of being able to start site work very early in its timeline so you saw something sooner. You are free to be upset but it doesn’t mean you’re not also ill-informed.

 

[eddie104]

Come on guys can we drop this conversation now because I think everyone's points have been made.

 

[Buried20KLeague]

A few years ago, yes, you would have been right but still complaining about the one project that is not a good example. You keep talking about Universal, the company that has pushed back its new stunt show from its announced opening and who also had to push back Fast & Furious: Supercharged, a complete dud of an attraction, by a year. Epic Universe is still four years out and even Universal Studios Beijing, which is dominated by clones, has been puttering along. Sinbad closed how long ago but we’re now years away from Hyrule if it ever actually happens. TRON is not taking a meaningful amount of time longer than Universal projects, it just took advantage of being able to start site work very early in its timeline so you saw something sooner. You are free to be upset but it doesn’t mean you’re not also ill-informed.

Hagrid’s. Hogwarts. Gringott’s.

I can pick and choose projects that bolster my case too.

Feel free to view through your rose colored glasses. Mine are amber and have ancient mosquitos in them (just for fun). I have one opinion, you have another. Both are fine. That’s what’s swell about message boards. we’re clearly not going to change each other’s minds.

I’ll admit I’m less informed than in years past. I’ve been posting here since 2004(ish). And in recent years I’ve gotten so fed up with WDW that I’m hardly on here anymore. And WDW certainly hasn’t gotten my money. Uni has. Shanghai has. Hong Kong has. Tokyo has, twice. I have a short fuse with WDW. But it’s earned. And your defense of what you say was a poor building site won’t change that (no offense). I’m a customer WDW has largely lost and alienated (much like they’d love to do with their AP holders). I was free money to them. Often for 30 onsite days a year with little expense spared. And they lost me. I don’t believe them when you say it has to take 3 years to build tron. It is what it is. To me, perception and reputation are a large part of reality.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Hagrid’s. Hogwarts. Gringott’s.

I can pick and choose projects that bolster my case too.

Feel free to view through your rose colored glasses. Mine are amber and have ancient mosquitos in them (just for fun). I have one opinion, you have another. Both are fine. That’s what’s swell about message boards. we’re clearly not going to change each other’s minds.

I’ll admit I’m less informed than in years past. I’ve been posting here since 2004(ish). And in recent years I’ve gotten so fed up with WDW that I’m hardly on here anymore. And WDW certainly hasn’t gotten my money. Uni has. Shanghai has. Hong Kong has. Tokyo has, twice. I have a short fuse with WDW. But it’s earned. And your defense of what you say was a poor building site won’t change that (no offense). I’m a customer WDW has largely lost and alienated (much like they’d love to do with their AP holders). I was free money to them. Often for 30 onsite days a year with little expense spared. And they lost me. I don’t believe them when you say it has to take 3 years to build tron. It is what it is. To me, perception and reputation are a large part of reality.

My bona fides as someone who isn’t pleased with Disney are well established. To say I am looking at Disney with rose colored glasses is one of the most ridiculous things to be posted on this site. Not liking Disney’s direction doesn’t change the fact that doing what would have made you happy would have been inefficient and a waste of money. I also said nothing about a poor building site.

 

[Gringrinngghost]

Uni builds entire lands faster than Disney builds one attraction. And I don't believe that Disney even COULD build faster than Uni if they wanted to.

Sapphire Falls opened with a month left of work because they had to pull the crew off to work on Fallon to meet its opening date. Kong missed its optimistic opening date, and over a month later grand opened silently (only a UOAP meetup), without all ride vehicles even on property. Hagrids hadn’t had enough time for proper testing and only been running at half capacity with extended downtime since opening including an entire day it was closed, due to issues. Volcano Bay wasn’t ready for even the media event, and the lazy river was closed for the press because it was already broken. There are elements of Popeye and Blutos that have been broken and missing since 2015. Volcano bay has had electrical issues that caused team members to go to the hospital and resulted in a OSHA investigation. I could go one, but rather I shall not.

So yes, Uni does get stuff done fast, but in the past few openings, things weren’t finished. At one point they had 2 crews for 5 projects on property. Disney has their own and outsources, Universal goes outsources.

Disney has the benefit of soft opening which Universal with Hagrids didn’t have any, they had a like two team memebr previews, before the press event because they were that delayed. The one benefit these two parks have is that they can Inspect their own rides and sign off on them.

Remember, Uni is apparently gonna Open the T2 replacement by the end of the year (if they make it). But let’s look at this as well. Kong and fast, are at the heart the same ride system with the same used footage from California.

 

[Buried20KLeague]

My boba fides as someone who isn’t pleased with Disney are well established. To say I am looking at Disney with rose colored glasses is one of the most ridiculous things to be posted on this site. Not like long Disney’s direction doesn’t change the fact that doing what would have made you happy would have been inefficient and a waste of money. I also said nothing about a poor building site.

I assume this was intended to be in English.

Can we be done now? We don’t agree. I was good with that many posts ago.

 

[EricsBiscuit]

My point is Hagrid's and Tron both started construction on the same month of the same year.
Both were dealing with the same availability of workers in the Orlando area.
One was finished in half the time as the other.
Because (again) Universal cares about building fast, and Disney doesn't

The difference is that Hagrid was built to compete with SWL whereas TRON is being built for the 50th anniversary.

 

[eddie104]

The difference is that Hagrid was built to compete with SWL whereas TRON is being built for the 50th anniversary.

Huh ???

 

[marni1971]

Can they at the moment though? Maybe true in the past...but with so much construction occurring all over the parks the past couple years, and this continuing towards the 50th and beyond, I am not confident that have the manpower to build at a quicker pace right now. As an example, I believe it was noted that they took workers off the mickey ride to get SW done....

They took the boffins off the GMR to fix tech issues at SWL.

 

[EricsBiscuit]

Huh ???

The reason each attraction was built is different and thus the speed at which each is built is different.