News Tron coaster coming to the Magic Kingdom

[Buried20KLeague]

Does Disney have the resources to build at a much faster pace? Sure

Does Disney care about building faster? Absolutely not

You'll never feel the need to ask again why any project is taking so long once you understand that

This is EXACTLY my point. Dead on.

Though I don't know if I agree with the sentiment of not needing to ask why. Or at least to complain about it.

 

[Buried20KLeague]

You keep saying it but have nothing to explain how it is taking too long. Work on the ride facility itself has only been ongoing for a few months now, meaning about 2 years of such work to open in 2021. The year of site work overlapped with design work. You’re looking at a total of 3.5 - 4 years of serious work when 5 years is much more typical of even a small Disney project.

I started my posts on this topic comparing Disney build times to Uni build times. That's how I know the project will have taken longer than necessary in the end. To borrow from @MisterPenguin...

Uni builds entire lands faster than Disney builds one attraction. And I don't believe that Disney even COULD build faster than Uni if they wanted to.

I know Disney doesn't care. I know they don't build with urgency. I know they have to alter plans when they clone rides based on site conditions. That's all common sense. The point is... They don't build faster because they don't care or want to.

I'm allowed to not love that.

 

[Andrew C]

Does Disney have the resources to build at a much faster pace? Sure

Can they at the moment though? Maybe true in the past...but with so much construction occurring all over the parks the past couple years, and this continuing towards the 50th and beyond, I am not confident that have the manpower to build at a quicker pace right now. As an example, I believe it was noted that they took workers off the mickey ride to get SW done....

 

[Timothy_Q]

Can they at the moment though? Maybe true in the past...but with so much construction occurring all over the parks the past couple years, and this continuing towards the 50th and beyond, I am not confident that have the manpower to build at a quicker pace right now. As an example, I believe it was noted that they took workers off the mickey ride to get SW done....

Not here to start a park war again, but simply as statistics, Hagrid's took half as long to build as Tron

Disney just doesn't have any interest in building faster.
Otherwise they would

 

[No Name]

I started my posts on this topic comparing Disney build times to Uni build times. That's how I know the project will have taken longer than necessary in the end. To borrow from @MisterPenguin...

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Uni builds entire lands faster than Disney builds one attraction. And I don't believe that Disney even COULD build faster than Uni if they wanted to.

I know Disney doesn't care. I know they don't build with urgency. I know they have to alter plans when they clone rides based on site conditions. That's all common sense. The point is... They don't build faster because they don't care or want to.

I'm allowed to not love that.

Serious question: Would it make you significantly happier if they announced Tron at D23 2019 and constructed it in 2 years? Since it’d still be opening at the same time in 2021, my opinion is that it doesn’t really matter. If you don’t agree, why?

 

[Andrew C]

Not here to start a park war again, but simply as statistics, Hagrid's took half as long to build as Tron

That point alone doesn't address the current state of WDW as a whole, and the amount of investment/construction that is happening. There are a finite number of skilled workers. Again, not discounting your point in past years. Just...at the moment.

 

[Timothy_Q]

That point alone doesn't address the current state of WDW as a whole, and the amount of investment/construction that is happening. There are a finite number of skilled workers. Again, not discounting your point in past years. Just...at the moment.

My point is Hagrid's and Tron both started construction on the same month of the same year.
Both were dealing with the same availability of workers in the Orlando area.
One was finished in half the time as the other.
Because (again) Universal cares about building fast, and Disney doesn't

 

[Andrew C]

My point is Hagrid's and Tron both started construction on the same month of the same year.
Both were dealing with the same availability of workers in the Orlando area.
One was finished in half the time as the other.
Because (again) Universal cares about building fast, and Disney doesn't

Your point leaves out numerous other factors, however.

 

[Timothy_Q]

Your point leaves out numerous other factors, however.

Such as

 

[peter11435]

My point is Hagrid's and Tron both started construction on the same month of the same year.
Both were dealing with the same availability of workers in the Orlando area.
One was finished in half the time as the other.
Because (again) Universal cares about building fast, and Disney doesn't

To claim that Tron and Hagrid started construction in the same month is not entirely accurate and fails to address the massive differences between the two sites and the preparation required.

 

[Andrew C]

Such as

TSL construction, SW construction, Mickey's railway construction, Skyliner construction, GotG construction, new resort construction, the difference in prep work for the Tron site, and all the other misc construction occurring around the WDW resort that far exceeds the amount of work going on at Uni. No to mention, although a really great/fun ride by all accounts, Universal cheapened out on the theme for Hagrid's in many places...

 

[Timothy_Q]

TSL construction, SW construction, Mickey's railway construction, Skyliner construction, GotG construction, new resort construction, the difference in prep work for the Tron site, and all the other misc construction occurring around the WDW resort that far exceeds the amount of work going on at Uni. No to mention, although a really great/fun ride by all accounts, Universal cheapened out on the theme for Hagrid's in many places...

Yes, Disney is doing a ton expansion right now, it's great

Which brings me back to the same point.
If they're short on people, be it construction workers, designers, engineers, whatever, they can choose to spend more money and hire more people to speed up the process.
If they felt there was a need to build faster, it is entirely possible. But there is no need
I can guarantee you there are more people looking for jobs in those fields, than there are jobs available

But like I said, Disney prefers to spread the cost throughout multiple years.
You don't have to defend Disney, I'm not attacking their decisions, nor am I complaining about the how long they take to build.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Does Disney have the resources to build at a much faster pace? Sure

Does Disney care about building faster? Absolutely not

You'll never feel the need to ask again why any project is taking so long once you understand that

Disney’s issue is not just apathy. Their size is very much a hurdle to their ability to move quickly.

I started my posts on this topic comparing Disney build times to Uni build times. That's how I know the project will have taken longer than necessary in the end. To borrow from @MisterPenguin...

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Uni builds entire lands faster than Disney builds one attraction. And I don't believe that Disney even COULD build faster than Uni if they wanted to.

I know Disney doesn't care. I know they don't build with urgency. I know they have to alter plans when they clone rides based on site conditions. That's all common sense. The point is... They don't build faster because they don't care or want to.

I'm allowed to not love that.

Whether or not Universal tends to build faster is not at issue or relevant to whether or not TRON specifically is taking an inordinate amount of time. It’s not. In general, it’s about average and for Disney is even a bit fast.

Can they at the moment though? Maybe true in the past...but with so much construction occurring all over the parks the past couple years, and this continuing towards the 50th and beyond, I am not confident that have the manpower to build at a quicker pace right now. As an example, I believe it was noted that they took workers off the mickey ride to get SW done....

The construction crews don’t work for Disney, they work for the general and sub contractors hired individually for each project.

Not here to start a park war again, but simply as statistics, Hagrid's took half as long to build as Tron

Disney just doesn't have any interest in building faster.
Otherwise they would

This is exactly why looking at when someone started kicking around some dirt is a garbage metric. Hagrid’s started construction with significant amounts of design work complete, not to mention the work done on the Mack Inverted Power Coaster. TRON started with the bulk of the design work only having just begun. Adding in Hagrid’s design time greatly narrows that difference.

 

[Buried20KLeague]

Serious question: Would it make you significantly happier if they announced Tron at D23 2019 and constructed it in 2 years? Since it’d still be opening at the same time in 2021, my opinion is that it doesn’t really matter. If you don’t agree, why?

I simply don’t like disney’s Construction timelines vs Uni’s. That’s it. And I’m not alone. It’s that simple to me.

 

[gerarar]

I mean the way I see it..

Disney had to clear/move land and trees, prep, and reroute a canal.

Universal just had to demolish a ride (rather then take it apart) and clear the land.

One takes longer then the other I assume.

 

[Andrew C]

they can choose to spend more money and hire more people to speed up the process.

That assumes there are a large amount of people readily available with the appropriate skills to do the work Disney needs them to do...on top of the ones already there doing work on the numerous projects underway simultaneously

 

[Andrew C]

I simply don’t like disney’s Construction timelines vs Uni’s. That’s it. And I’m not alone. It’s that simple to me.

5 years ago, I may have agreed.

 

[eddie104]

I have to say I don’t usually like Disney construction timelines either but I totally understand all the little intricacies unique to them that cause them to take so long to build.

 

[lazyboy97o]

I mean the way I see it..

Disney had to clear/move land and trees, prep, and reroute a canal.

Universal just had to demolish a ride (rather then take it apart) and clear the land.

One takes longer then the other I assume.

There was extensive, difficult site work performed for Hagrid’s. TRON’s site work was stretched out but that is not inherently a negative. Completing TRON’s site work in a shorter period of time would have cost more but would not have decreased the overall project timeline.

 

[No Name]

I simply don’t like disney’s Construction timelines vs Uni’s. That’s it. And I’m not alone. It’s that simple to me.

You should consider a career in politics, as you blatantly disregarded my question and instead repeated the same general statement you’ve said before!