News Tron coaster coming to the Magic Kingdom

[marni1971]

Just because it looks the same does not mean it is the same nor does it mean there is no work to do to keep it the same..

I’ll chime in about the DCA and WDSP Tower of Terrors. Before they stuck the oil rig on the Californian version, both looked virtually identical from outside. But the American one was steel framed, the Parisian one made from a pure single concrete slip form pour.

 

[Buried20KLeague]

Just because it looks the same does not mean it is the same nor does it mean there is no work to do to keep it the same. Soil conditions are different. Wind Load requirements are different. Power supply is different. At the very minimum the bathrooms have to be redesigned. Going through every bit of minutia takes time and overlapped with the construction you say is taking too long.

He was talking about ride experience changes (IMO). Not design changes due to different soil conditions.

And it IS going to take too long.

 

[Buried20KLeague]

Would still require a whole new set of blueprints.

Again... I was talking about the ride experience. Not wind speeds, barometric pressures, and my lumbago acting up.

 

[peter11435]

Again... I was talking about the ride experience. Not wind speeds, barometric pressures, and my lumbago acting up.

So? The ride experience cannot exist without engineering and blueprints for the ride and the facility. It’s irrelevant whether the guests will notice a difference, It will still take time to design the attraction for its specific location.

 

[lazyboy97o]

And it IS going to take too long.

You keep saying it but have nothing to explain how it is taking too long. Work on the ride facility itself has only been ongoing for a few months now, meaning about 2 years of such work to open in 2021. The year of site work overlapped with design work. You’re looking at a total of 3.5 - 4 years of serious work when 5 years is much more typical of even a small Disney project.

 

[Timothy_Q]

You keep saying it but have nothing to explain how it is taking too long. Work on the ride facility itself has only been ongoing for a few months now, meaning about 2 years of such work to open in 2021. The year of site work overlapped with design work. You’re looking at a total of 3.5 - 4 years of serious work when 5 years is much more typical of even a small Disney project.

Does Disney have the resources to build at a much faster pace? Sure

Does Disney care about building faster? Absolutely not

You'll never feel the need to ask again why any project is taking so long once you understand that

 

[Buried20KLeague]

So? The ride experience cannot exist without engineering and blueprints for the ride and the facility. It’s irrelevant whether the guests will notice a difference, It will still take time to design the attraction for its specific location.

I don't believe I ever said otherwise.

The previous poster wondered if there might be any changes to the ride. I read it as "TO THE RIDE EXPERIENCE" in the context of what he wrote. I simply said I think the ride will be completely the same as the experence in Shanghai. Nothing more. I'm not sure what's not being understood.

Let me be clear: I think THE RIDE EXPERIENCE will be completely identical in WDW as it is in Shanghai.

 

[Buried20KLeague]

Does Disney have the resources to build at a much faster pace? Sure

Does Disney care about building faster? Absolutely not

You'll never feel the need to ask again why any project is taking so long once you understand that

This is EXACTLY my point. Dead on.

Though I don't know if I agree with the sentiment of not needing to ask why. Or at least to complain about it.

 

[Buried20KLeague]

You keep saying it but have nothing to explain how it is taking too long. Work on the ride facility itself has only been ongoing for a few months now, meaning about 2 years of such work to open in 2021. The year of site work overlapped with design work. You’re looking at a total of 3.5 - 4 years of serious work when 5 years is much more typical of even a small Disney project.

I started my posts on this topic comparing Disney build times to Uni build times. That's how I know the project will have taken longer than necessary in the end. To borrow from @MisterPenguin...

Uni builds entire lands faster than Disney builds one attraction. And I don't believe that Disney even COULD build faster than Uni if they wanted to.

I know Disney doesn't care. I know they don't build with urgency. I know they have to alter plans when they clone rides based on site conditions. That's all common sense. The point is... They don't build faster because they don't care or want to.

I'm allowed to not love that.

 

[Andrew C]

Does Disney have the resources to build at a much faster pace? Sure

Can they at the moment though? Maybe true in the past...but with so much construction occurring all over the parks the past couple years, and this continuing towards the 50th and beyond, I am not confident that have the manpower to build at a quicker pace right now. As an example, I believe it was noted that they took workers off the mickey ride to get SW done....

 

[Timothy_Q]

Can they at the moment though? Maybe true in the past...but with so much construction occurring all over the parks the past couple years, and this continuing towards the 50th and beyond, I am not confident that have the manpower to build at a quicker pace right now. As an example, I believe it was noted that they took workers off the mickey ride to get SW done....

Not here to start a park war again, but simply as statistics, Hagrid's took half as long to build as Tron

Disney just doesn't have any interest in building faster.
Otherwise they would

 

[No Name]

I started my posts on this topic comparing Disney build times to Uni build times. That's how I know the project will have taken longer than necessary in the end. To borrow from @MisterPenguin...

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Uni builds entire lands faster than Disney builds one attraction. And I don't believe that Disney even COULD build faster than Uni if they wanted to.

I know Disney doesn't care. I know they don't build with urgency. I know they have to alter plans when they clone rides based on site conditions. That's all common sense. The point is... They don't build faster because they don't care or want to.

I'm allowed to not love that.

Serious question: Would it make you significantly happier if they announced Tron at D23 2019 and constructed it in 2 years? Since it’d still be opening at the same time in 2021, my opinion is that it doesn’t really matter. If you don’t agree, why?

 

[Andrew C]

Not here to start a park war again, but simply as statistics, Hagrid's took half as long to build as Tron

That point alone doesn't address the current state of WDW as a whole, and the amount of investment/construction that is happening. There are a finite number of skilled workers. Again, not discounting your point in past years. Just...at the moment.

 

[Timothy_Q]

That point alone doesn't address the current state of WDW as a whole, and the amount of investment/construction that is happening. There are a finite number of skilled workers. Again, not discounting your point in past years. Just...at the moment.

My point is Hagrid's and Tron both started construction on the same month of the same year.
Both were dealing with the same availability of workers in the Orlando area.
One was finished in half the time as the other.
Because (again) Universal cares about building fast, and Disney doesn't

 

[Andrew C]

My point is Hagrid's and Tron both started construction on the same month of the same year.
Both were dealing with the same availability of workers in the Orlando area.
One was finished in half the time as the other.
Because (again) Universal cares about building fast, and Disney doesn't

Your point leaves out numerous other factors, however.

 

[Timothy_Q]

Your point leaves out numerous other factors, however.

Such as

 

[peter11435]

My point is Hagrid's and Tron both started construction on the same month of the same year.
Both were dealing with the same availability of workers in the Orlando area.
One was finished in half the time as the other.
Because (again) Universal cares about building fast, and Disney doesn't

To claim that Tron and Hagrid started construction in the same month is not entirely accurate and fails to address the massive differences between the two sites and the preparation required.

 

[Andrew C]

Such as

TSL construction, SW construction, Mickey's railway construction, Skyliner construction, GotG construction, new resort construction, the difference in prep work for the Tron site, and all the other misc construction occurring around the WDW resort that far exceeds the amount of work going on at Uni. No to mention, although a really great/fun ride by all accounts, Universal cheapened out on the theme for Hagrid's in many places...

 

[Timothy_Q]

TSL construction, SW construction, Mickey's railway construction, Skyliner construction, GotG construction, new resort construction, the difference in prep work for the Tron site, and all the other misc construction occurring around the WDW resort that far exceeds the amount of work going on at Uni. No to mention, although a really great/fun ride by all accounts, Universal cheapened out on the theme for Hagrid's in many places...

Yes, Disney is doing a ton expansion right now, it's great

Which brings me back to the same point.
If they're short on people, be it construction workers, designers, engineers, whatever, they can choose to spend more money and hire more people to speed up the process.
If they felt there was a need to build faster, it is entirely possible. But there is no need
I can guarantee you there are more people looking for jobs in those fields, than there are jobs available

But like I said, Disney prefers to spread the cost throughout multiple years.
You don't have to defend Disney, I'm not attacking their decisions, nor am I complaining about the how long they take to build.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Does Disney have the resources to build at a much faster pace? Sure

Does Disney care about building faster? Absolutely not

You'll never feel the need to ask again why any project is taking so long once you understand that

Disney’s issue is not just apathy. Their size is very much a hurdle to their ability to move quickly.

I started my posts on this topic comparing Disney build times to Uni build times. That's how I know the project will have taken longer than necessary in the end. To borrow from @MisterPenguin...

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Uni builds entire lands faster than Disney builds one attraction. And I don't believe that Disney even COULD build faster than Uni if they wanted to.

I know Disney doesn't care. I know they don't build with urgency. I know they have to alter plans when they clone rides based on site conditions. That's all common sense. The point is... They don't build faster because they don't care or want to.

I'm allowed to not love that.

Whether or not Universal tends to build faster is not at issue or relevant to whether or not TRON specifically is taking an inordinate amount of time. It’s not. In general, it’s about average and for Disney is even a bit fast.

Can they at the moment though? Maybe true in the past...but with so much construction occurring all over the parks the past couple years, and this continuing towards the 50th and beyond, I am not confident that have the manpower to build at a quicker pace right now. As an example, I believe it was noted that they took workers off the mickey ride to get SW done....

The construction crews don’t work for Disney, they work for the general and sub contractors hired individually for each project.

Not here to start a park war again, but simply as statistics, Hagrid's took half as long to build as Tron

Disney just doesn't have any interest in building faster.
Otherwise they would

This is exactly why looking at when someone started kicking around some dirt is a garbage metric. Hagrid’s started construction with significant amounts of design work complete, not to mention the work done on the Mack Inverted Power Coaster. TRON started with the bulk of the design work only having just begun. Adding in Hagrid’s design time greatly narrows that difference.