News Tron coaster coming to the Magic Kingdom

No Name

No Name

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seascape said:
Are you really saying WDWs attendance is stagnant and they are losing market share. Please review the numbers and open your eyes. If Universal does not get their third park open much sooner than 2023 they will fall to under 20% of the market and Disney will be back over 75%. Yes after Universal opens their new park, they will gain a few points in market share but they will never get close to WDW. Just in case you didn't know in 2018 WDW drew 58,311,000 vs Universal's 20,496,000. In water parks WDW out drew Universal 4,284,000 to 1,750,000. Please explain where WDWs huge market share loss is?
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Before launching into a long rebuttal, try making sure you read my post correctly. WDW’s attendance was rather stagnant and they lost market share from 2009-2015.
 
tparris

tparris

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seascape said:
Are you really saying WDWs attendance is stagnant and they are losing market share. Please review the numbers and open your eyes. If Universal does not get their third park open much sooner than 2023 they will fall to under 20% of the market and Disney will be back over 75%. Yes after Universal opens their new park, they will gain a few points in market share but they will never get close to WDW. Just in case you didn't know in 2018 WDW drew 58,311,000 vs Universal's 20,496,000. In water parks WDW out drew Universal 4,284,000 to 1,750,000. Please explain where WDWs huge market share loss is?
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Did you even read the whole thing?
 
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seascape

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egg said:
Before launching into a long rebuttal, try making sure you read my post correctly. WDW’s attendance was rather stagnant and they lost market share from 2009-2015.
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Yes they lost martket share as Universal built HP. However they gained marketshare last year and will gain most the marketshare back before Universal opens their real third gate. But if you asked most people would you rather have more marketshare in Orlando or own Marvel and Lucasfilm, I am sure most would agree that Iger made wonderful decisions. So the parks may have had a few stagnant years which by the way incude 9/11 but you can blame it on Iger investing in more profitable areas which also gave the parks more wonderful IP for the future of the parks, which also means lots more Marvel Attractions at WDW than just GotG.
 
No Name

No Name

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seascape said:
Yes they lost martket share as Universal built HP. However they gained marketshare last year and will gain most the marketshare back before Universal opens their real third gate. But if you asked most people would you rather have more marketshare in Orlando or own Marvel and Lucasfilm, I am sure most would agree that Iger made wonderful decisions. So the parks may have had a few stagnant years which by the way incude 9/11 but you can blame it on Iger investing in more profitable areas which also gave the parks more wonderful IP for the future of the parks, which also means lots more Marvel Attractions at WDW than just GotG.
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And you say this as though the company didn’t have the money or personnel to do both. It’s not an either-or situation. Any established and responsible business invests in all of their divisions regularly, because they have the resources and understand the profitability of doing so.

Would I have you believe that they recently bought Fox for far more than the cost of Marvel and Lucasfilm combined AND are investing in WDW as well? How could this possibly be?! Maybe because they’re different divisions run by different individuals and the expenses fall on different spreadsheets.
 
Buried20KLeague

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bclane said:
Much smarter people than myself have suggested in here that Disney doesn't build things as fast as they can, but instead sets an opening date based on whatever goals they have (anniversary celebrations, fiscal budgets, timing of other openings, or whatever) and then runs the project so that it will open around their desired time. Of course things don't always go according to plan but that's a different issue. Considering that I have been jonesing for TRON to open, I hate that they don't just rush it, but it is what it is.
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I’m aware of all that. It doesn’t change the point. I don’t care if they take 3 years for fiscal reasons, or to spend two years helping little old ladies cross the road... 3 plus years for a cloned attraction is an embarrassment and IMO shows little concern for guests and what they think. Though we already knew that.
 
eddie104

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Buried20KLeague said:
I’m aware of all that. It doesn’t change the point. I don’t care if they take 3 years for fiscal reasons, or to spend two years helping little old ladies cross the road... 3 plus years for a cloned attraction is an embarrassment and IMO shows little concern for guests and what they think. Though we already knew that.
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Did you forget Shanghai has exclusivity agreement for this attraction ?
 
lazyboy97o

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Buried20KLeague said:
I’m aware of all that. It doesn’t change the point. I don’t care if they take 3 years for fiscal reasons, or to spend two years helping little old ladies cross the road... 3 plus years for a cloned attraction is an embarrassment and IMO shows little concern for guests and what they think. Though we already knew that.
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It’s only embarrassing if you don’t understand the scope of work involved. How long does it take you to read 1,000 pages?
 
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seascape

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egg said:
And you say this as though the company didn’t have the money or personnel to do both. It’s not an either-or situation. Any established and responsible business invests in all of their divisions regularly, because they have the resources and understand the profitability of doing so.

Would I have you believe that they recently bought Fox for far more than the cost of Marvel and Lucasfilm combined AND are investing in WDW as well? How could this possibly be?! Maybe because they’re different divisions run by different individuals and the expenses fall on different spreadsheets.
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Marvel was a steal. Yes because of Marvel's success and the parks recovery they have enough money to do everything. The other thing to remember is the of Fox purchase price was 72 billion half cash, half stock. That is 36 billion of debt. They sold sky to Comcast and they sold RSNs so the debt increase wasn't that much. The truth is Disney is a much bigger company than it was back then. They also suspended their stock buybacks. Back in 2009 they had to stop investigating in the parks to buy Marvel and the drop in tourism after 9/11 was the reason Iger had no options. However today thanks to his decision Disney is a quarter of a trillion dollar company and by 2025 will be a half trillion dollar business if not more.
 
HauntedMansionFLA

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azox

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HauntedMansionFLA said:
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From an engineering perspective it would be interesting to see what changes they incorporate from the learnings they gained from the original in Shanghai. It would be neat to see what they are doing differently if anything from a design perspective. While the majority of the ride I am sure is copied, I would like to think some things are being adjusted/fixed from the first build. (Likewise when they build the next ride that uses the FOP ride system it would be interesting to see what they have learned from the first build in AK).

I like they we are fortunate enough to see so many photos of the progress. (Very little exists for the shanghai build)
 
Buried20KLeague

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azox said:
From an engineering perspective it would be interesting to see what changes they incorporate from the learnings they gained from the original in Shanghai. It would be neat to see what they are doing differently if anything from a design perspective. While the majority of the ride I am sure is copied, I would like to think some things are being adjusted/fixed from the first build. (Likewise when they build the next ride that uses the FOP ride system it would be interesting to see what they have learned from the first build in AK).

I like they we are fortunate enough to see so many photos of the progress. (Very little exists for the shanghai build)
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I'd put money on it that everything is completely identical... Other than the obvious translations and possible video changes in the que and pre-show. There's really nothing to change. It's que, a Space Mountain style load, a coaster with only a couple effects in the interior portion (which they won't change because they're signature Tron features), and unload.
 
lazyboy97o

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Buried20KLeague said:
I'd put money on it that everything is completely identical... Other than the obvious translations and possible video changes in the que and pre-show. There's really nothing to change. It's que, a Space Mountain style load, a coaster with only a couple effects in the interior portion (which they won't change because they're signature Tron features), and unload.
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Just because it looks the same does not mean it is the same nor does it mean there is no work to do to keep it the same. Soil conditions are different. Wind Load requirements are different. Power supply is different. At the very minimum the bathrooms have to be redesigned. Going through every bit of minutia takes time and overlapped with the construction you say is taking too long.
 
peter11435

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Buried20KLeague said:
I'd put money on it that everything is completely identical... Other than the obvious translations and possible video changes in the que and pre-show. There's really nothing to change. It's que, a Space Mountain style load, a coaster with only a couple effects in the interior portion (which they won't change because they're signature Tron features), and unload.
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Would still require a whole new set of blueprints.
 

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