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Transformative Multi-Year Expansion Announced for WDS Paris
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Jordan dby
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As much as I support any reason for disney to price competitively, I don't think this stops them. There have always been cheaper theme parks with better rides I Europe. There is one (Alton Towers) half hour from me. Disney is the mix of rides with atmosphere and shows, nothing else can compete with the IPs and music that Disney have.
Salaries, taxes and land is cheaper in Spain, which must explain the price gap. Paris is driveable from many large cities, which is the trade-off Disney accepted for its location. We usually do DLP en route to somewhere else from our home in the UK.
The only real competition I see is Universal UK, but I think DLP will maximise revenues until then and prepare for a price war when that opens.
Salaries, taxes and land is cheaper in Spain, which must explain the price gap. Paris is driveable from many large cities, which is the trade-off Disney accepted for its location. We usually do DLP en route to somewhere else from our home in the UK.
The only real competition I see is Universal UK, but I think DLP will maximise revenues until then and prepare for a price war when that opens.
BrianLo
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Oh no and I was not convinced they needed one either. I just meant there was slack in their current occupancy and the expansion of WDSP will likely lead to some additional nights, helping to further close that profitability gap.
As to your point about unique visitors, that is well taken. But if 15%-20% of their current visitors start staying an extra night, the attendance gains are realized.
I just think WDSP will feel more like a complete entity when this is carried through. By no means perfect by a long shot - but more demanding of an actual day spent with the park - and critically through an end of day for the night show.
DLRP is after all realizing more attendance than in 2019 and I think Marvel is already contributing to that. WDW still hasn’t rebounded pre pandemic fully.
BrianLo
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This is why I don’t think you put all your eggs in the UK basket necessarily. I’m not opposed to Star Wars, but UK market is already split amongst so many other competing priorities. Uni Great Britain just being the latest. Diversification I feel like is going to be equally successful to make that market come for the differences over WDW as anything.
Probably Avatar would be the bigger local market draw. Way of Water was the biggest movie ever in France. I personally like the choice of Lion King over Star Wars as it provides that diversification from the US products. Something about WDSP only receiving copies a decade later isn’t going to move my needle as much.
Animaniac93-98
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Is the bike show still happening in the Motors Action arena?
cjkeating
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Yes but I've heard there are no longer bikes. Which I was most looking forward to!
Yeah, but when that 100-euro dinner is basically the same as the other buffets? People are going to question what they are actually paying for. You have the character premium, but I am surprised they didn't improve the offering food-wise at all. Especially as other locations improved.
Also, the people I know just in my little DLP circle, were all going 4/5 times a year pre-covid, thats mostly down to twice or even once. (Especially with the new APs, I don't think anyone renewed). That circle wasn't people on tight budgets either, that was people staying on site from the UK, buying merch, and spending hours in the cocktails bar (actually drinking too, not just sipping).
So prices are having an effect, it all depends if the price increases balance against losing people who don't see value in the resorts. Will be interesting the further we move away from people being locked up for 2 years too.
Well the mattresses could do with something better
I heard this also but there is a new audition notice , I presume it’s still for the Alice show
TBF I don’t think that many Europeans are well versed that GE is in the US parks / one of the attractions was coming to Paris. Personally I’d take Rise over a LK ride but that’s just me. In an ideal $60B world the park would get both.
cjkeating
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Meanwhile at Tokyo DisneySea who announced a couple of months later (Though I think DLP's Adventure Isle is a little better than Neverland but they are getting a ride too).
Rapunzel's Forest would have been a really cool addition to the lagoon
Let's not forget the initial announcement for a Scandinavian Port aka Frozenland Version 1 was announced April 2015 so nearly 9 years ago.
mrflo
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To be fair, they still delivered the impressive Beauty and the Beast area and more than doubled down on the TDS expansion. I definitely admire the Japanese's operating companies aim to deliver the very best and challenge Disney to do even better. Would be amazing if some of that 60 billion money will significantly enhance and not just replace elements of the originally announced WDS plan within the next 3 years as well.
Talking about Fantasy Springs, does anyone already know more about the ride system for the new Peter Pan attraction? It looks like the proposed Avengers ride - potentially also coming to WDS - would get the same system.
I guess it's like the ride system already being used for Transformers or Spiderman at Universal. But I am also getting Back To The Future - The Ride vibes.
cjkeating
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Yes. It’s one of the village building facades. They seem to have started on the right and are moving left along the avenue.
mrflo
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"On the Morgan Stanley Technology Media and Telecom Conference, Disney CEO Bob Iger confirmed that a second Avatar-themed land called Pandora will be coming to the Disneyland Resort. This announcement added some clarity to the what would be coming to the Disneyland Resort from the Avatar franchise.
During the call, Iger shared that the scope of the project is bigger than some expected. It will be a land. Where this land will be was not disclosed, however. On the call, Iger said, “We have one Avatar-based land, Pandora, in Florida. We’re going to put a second one in in California [at Disneyland]. That doesn’t mean we can’t put one somewhere in Asia and somewhere in Europe, for instance.”"
Source: Disney CEO Bob Iger Confirms ‘Avatar’ Experience to Be a Land at Disneyland Resort
Not really an announcement for Avatar in Paris quite yet. But having the CEO mentioning Europe as the potential and logical location for an Avatar land is at least something. Plus we already discussed the potential synergies of development between the one for DLR, Asia and for Paris. So let's see.
During the call, Iger shared that the scope of the project is bigger than some expected. It will be a land. Where this land will be was not disclosed, however. On the call, Iger said, “We have one Avatar-based land, Pandora, in Florida. We’re going to put a second one in in California [at Disneyland]. That doesn’t mean we can’t put one somewhere in Asia and somewhere in Europe, for instance.”"
Source: Disney CEO Bob Iger Confirms ‘Avatar’ Experience to Be a Land at Disneyland Resort
Not really an announcement for Avatar in Paris quite yet. But having the CEO mentioning Europe as the potential and logical location for an Avatar land is at least something. Plus we already discussed the potential synergies of development between the one for DLR, Asia and for Paris. So let's see.