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steve2wdw

steve2wdw

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UNCgolf said:
That's theoretical capacity, though -- it doesn't matter if no one actually gets on. I am a huge fan of Carousel of Progress. It might be my favorite attraction at the Magic Kingdom and I will never visit without seeing it (especially since I never know if it will still be there when I go back). But last time I was there, despite the park being packed, there was no line at all for CoP and the theater I was in was only about 20% full.

If they built something with 50% of the hourly capacity but it was regularly full, it would still remove more people from the parks at any given time than CoP currently does. That would be their argument for a replacement.

Personally I'd like to see a totally new final section while leaving the first three untouched (other than maintenance/upgrades). I realize that would make for a bizarre 80 year leap from 1940 to 2020, and it's more likely they'd do a significant overhaul of everything, but those original three parts are so good and a huge part of the attraction's charm (not to mention Walt Disney was heavily involved in designing them himself). I don't want to lose them. The other great option would be to return the finale to its original 1960 setting and have it as a retro look into the past, then have some sort of post show that deals with the future, but there's absolutely no chance that ever happens.
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Interestingly enough, I was just at WDW for 8 nights, 11/13-11/21, and the CoP was attracting large numbers of guests. I visited the attraction 4 times, all at different times of the day, and the theaters were at least 50-75% full during each of those showings. The other theatre attractions were also featuring large crowds. Both visits to Country Bears required everyone to slide all the way to the right to fit everyone in. Hall of Presidents was at least 75% full. Philharmagic was completely full, Monsters, full, and The Birds were 3/4 full. It was good to see these attractions picking up the slack. Pulling any one of these from the lineup would negatively impact guest satisfaction, for sure. While numbers may be lower during "slow" times of the year, these theatre attractions allow guests to experience them with little to no wait during the busy days. Any time you can get into an attraction with a very short wait, definitely has an impact of the satisfaction of said guest, even if its a theatre attraction.
 
UNCgolf

UNCgolf

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steve2wdw said:
Interestingly enough, I was just at WDW for 8 nights, 11/13-11/21, and the CoP was attracting large numbers of guests. I visited the attraction 4 times, all at different times of the day, and the theaters were at least 50-75% full during each of those showings. The other theatre attractions were also featuring large crowds. Both visits to Country Bears required everyone to slide all the way to the right to fit everyone in. Hall of Presidents was at least 75% full. Philharmagic was completely full, Monsters, full, and The Birds were 3/4 full. It was good to see these attractions picking up the slack. Pulling any one of these from the lineup would negatively impact guest satisfaction, for sure. While numbers may be lower during "slow" times of the year, these theatre attractions allow guests to experience them with little to no wait during the busy days. Any time you can get into an attraction with a very short wait, definitely has an impact of the satisfaction of said guest, even if its a theatre attraction.
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I'm glad to hear that, because I'm constantly afraid they're going to close it.

When I was last there, some of the rides had 2+ hour waits and most were at least an hour, but CoP was just empty.
 
Animaniac93-98

Animaniac93-98

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steve2wdw said:
Interestingly enough, I was just at WDW for 8 nights, 11/13-11/21, and the CoP was attracting large numbers of guests. I visited the attraction 4 times, all at different times of the day, and the theaters were at least 50-75% full during each of those showings. The other theatre attractions were also featuring large crowds. Both visits to Country Bears required everyone to slide all the way to the right to fit everyone in. Hall of Presidents was at least 75% full. Philharmagic was completely full, Monsters, full, and The Birds were 3/4 full. It was good to see these attractions picking up the slack. Pulling any one of these from the lineup would negatively impact guest satisfaction, for sure. While numbers may be lower during "slow" times of the year, these theatre attractions allow guests to experience them with little to no wait during the busy days. Any time you can get into an attraction with a very short wait, definitely has an impact of the satisfaction of said guest, even if its a theatre attraction.
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Magic Kingdom was designed so that every land would have at least one theater attraction:

The Walt Disney Story (Main Street)
Tiki Room (Adventureland)
Country Bears (Frontierland)
Hall of Presidents, Diamond Horseshoe Saloon (Liberty Square)
Mickey Mouse Revue (Fantasyland)
Carousel of Progress, Flight to the Moon/Mission to Mars and Circle-Vision 360 (Tomorrowland)

That's NINE attractions right there that can accommodate large crowds, have air conditioning and, with one exception, let people sit down for 15 or more minutes. WED knew what they were doing here, and it's why the (now cancelled) Main Street Theater was also a good idea.
 
brb1006

brb1006

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Currently watching the grand opening of Space Mountain from Martin's latest video (bands marching and playing music on the route TTA, groups of people walking on the bottom while holding things, and daytime fireworks). They don't make grand opening ceremonies to this level anymore at WDW or DL. Especially after seeing the dedication/opening ceremonies for Galaxy's Edge and Rise Of The Resistance. Also who voiced Mickey Mouse for that clip?
 
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trainplane3

trainplane3

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brb1006 said:
Currently watching the grand opening of Space Mountain from Martin's latest video (bands marching and playing music on the route TTA, groups of people walking on the bottom while holding things). They don't make grand opening ceremonies to this level anymore at WDW or DL. :(
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I mean, SWGE's opening(s) (and events) were pretty grand for the media.
 
Rich Brownn

Rich Brownn

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brb1006 said:
Martin's new tribute video to Space Mountain
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I rode it in December 1974 as part of employee preview. At the time the projections were not on so it was pitch black. And boy, was it rough - the turns weren't banked so you got flung and when you came up from a drop the transition between upwards and level was so abrupt it threw you forward in the car. I remember getting off the ride and turning to my co-worker and saying "They're seriously not going to open it like this are they?" But they did... and I remember a lot of people complained.
(Side note: Originally the warning sign didn't say "roller coaster". It said it was a "turbulent thrill attraction in the dark". Apparently roller coaster was bad term. However shortly afterwards it was changed to "a roller coaster-type thrill attraction in the dark". I heard that was per Safety but don't know if that was true or they got tired of the CM's explaining "its a roller coaster"
 
sedati

sedati

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brb1006 said:
Martin's new tribute video to Space Mountain
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Excellent as always. Judging by the number of times I paused the video, this is one of your best. A lot of art and construction images I'd never seen before.
I don't like the light and power building, but it only emphasizes how poorly served this icon is at ground level. On my last trip I tried to get a good picture of the mountain which had just been painted and was looking great, but I couldn't get a shot without some clutter or fall safety flags obscuring this beautiful structure. Honestly I wish the entry building could be moved or reconfigured somehow. I'd rather have the masses baking in the sun and the whole fastpass checkpoint off to the side. Imagine that kind of mess in front of the castle or Spaceship Earth. Space Mountain is that iconic and needs to be treated as such. Too bad they couldn't place it in the original spot and I hope if there's ever a true refurb of the land we can get it placed as more of a focal point. I'd love to see Discovery Mountain in Paris and how the mountain is treated in full 360.
 

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