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trainplane3

trainplane3

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WDWFREAK53 said:
Any way to change the cars so they could mimic a banked turn without change to the track? I'm thinking something like the 7DMT but controlled rather than free-swinging. I'm sure how high the cars sit on the track comes into play.
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Not really. You're adding lots of weight to cars that already can't have some speakers and a battery added to them. The banking isn't the issue. The track is old, it needs tossed.

Marc Davis Fan said:
...and onboard audio that syncs with the layout (which is what really stands out to me on the DL version, except during the overlays when it's too cheesy).
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Agree. I'd like audio but at this point I want fixed effects like the lights on the lift hill. It needs a hilarious amount of love.
 
jt04

jt04

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trainplane3 said:
I really don't think anyone in this thread wants them to copy DLR's layout. Everyone wants the same layout we have now except with track and supports that don't need welded frequently to maintain integrity.
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Pretty sure Marti wanted the single track version that was proposed about a decade ago.
 
WDWFREAK53

WDWFREAK53

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jt04 said:
Pretty sure Marti wanted the single track version that was proposed about a decade ago.
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Frankly, the ride itself is a great length as is IMO. Imagine, with today's technology, what they could do with a building of that size, a coaster of the same type (smaller scale cars while leaving it on the tamer side), audio, visuals, etc. if they ripped it out completely and made it one track with smaller "near miss" scenes/effects. Space Mountain is iconic. It's still the ride that scares the little ones and makes them feel like a "big kid" when they ride it for the first time (at the MK), and it should be brought up to be THE icon again.
 
HauntedPirate

HauntedPirate

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Space Mountain in Orlando doesn't need a new single-track layout, or a new layout in general. May as well start from scratch with a new ride if you want those things. It needs a new track, same layout.

If it were up to me, there would be an approved plan and a PO ready to cut to get new track for Space Mt, exact same layout, plus new cars with on-board audio, and start work 3 months after Tron opens. I know it would take SM out for 2-3 years (at a minimum, it seems, with the speed WDI/TDO moves these days). I wouldn't care. It's already 10+ years overdue to have the track replaced, it NEEDS to happen. They can't continue on their current course (weld, weld, trim brakes, weld, weld, weld...) without something bad happening eventually. No one wants that, no matter how displeased one may be with how TDO and/or Burbank has (mis)handled the Orlando parks over the past decade-plus.
 
Bocabear

Bocabear

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Problem is, if the current leadership ripped the whole ride out, it would end up being half the length, way tamer, with less rather than more special effects and theming. I don't trust the current leadership to do a great job re-imagining the original attraction...they have not shown they can do it.
 
KikoKea

KikoKea

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I don't want a tame ride in there! It needs to keep its hills, drops (make 'em bigger!), and tight turns. I'd love some pumped up music, but if they can't even get Halloween music right, I have little hope for a regular ride. (Although, I LOVE the Aerosmith tunes on RnR)
 
180º

180º

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Bocabear said:
Problem is, if the current leadership ripped the whole ride out, it would end up being half the length, way tamer, with less rather than more special effects and theming. I don't trust the current leadership to do a great job re-imagining the original attraction...they have not shown they can do it.
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This completely ignores the fact that Disney ripped out the California Space and Thunder tracks in their entireties and contracted Vekoma and Dynamic Structures to rebuild them faithfully from scratch using modern methods, to fantastic results.
 
Brad Bishop

Brad Bishop

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Bocabear said:
Problem is, if the current leadership ripped the whole ride out, it would end up being half the length, way tamer, with less rather than more special effects and theming. I don't trust the current leadership to do a great job re-imagining the original attraction...they have not shown they can do it.
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First, I don't see the current leadership doing anything to this ride until something bad happens. Maybe it's a "near miss" of an accident or maybe it's an accident with injuries. Right now it's all about "saving money" on expenses.

Second, if they did replace the track, I don't think the current management really "gets it" and those on the ground who've been with the parks for years, understand the theming and the "Disney way" are dwindling in numbers and have no control. I could see see it going one of two ways:
- You end up with a similar ride but shortened (like 7DMT) because it saves money
- You end up with a train-coaster (like RRC) instead of a mouse coaster which is roughly what they have now, which really wouldn't fit and it'd be shoe-horned into the building.

As others have stated, and I'm in agreement, replacing the track as it is and adding the DL audio would be perfect. I can't see that happening.
 
Bocabear

Bocabear

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180º said:
This completely ignores the fact that Disney ripped out the California Space and Thunder tracks in their entireties and contracted Vekoma and Dynamic Structures to rebuild them faithfully from scratch using modern methods, to fantastic results.
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That was years ago...seems like new leadership now
 
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Steph15251

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180º said:
This completely ignores the fact that Disney ripped out the California Space and Thunder tracks in their entireties and contracted Vekoma and Dynamic Structures to rebuild them faithfully from scratch using modern methods, to fantastic results.
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Yup ,not sure why they can not do the same for WDW,I do feel once Tron opens ,they should work on Space Mountain.
 
180º

180º

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Bocabear said:
That was years ago...seems like new leadership now
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Not really, no. Space was 14 years ago but Thunder was only 6 years ago. Thunder started work under George Kalogridis, who is now president of WDW. And don’t forget this is apparently more or less also what they’re doing to Spaceship Earth next year.
 
tirian

tirian

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Bocabear said:
It is not that bad...Really it isn't. The Disneyland version is all a series of banked gentle inclines, all the same direction...there is not nearly the thrill they designed into the original WDW version... switchbacks, sudden drops, it is all a much more complex layout... Sure they could smooth it out a bit, but in general, it is still a great ride, and if they replace the track, I am hoping for a carbon copy of the original layout...Far superior to the Disneyland, Tokyo, and Hong Kong versions.
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Bank the curves, replace the track, and keep the layout.
 
Andrew C

Andrew C

You know what's funny?
Bocabear said:
Everyone said once Pandora was open they would fix the Yeti...that never happened either... Just sayin'...We will see a refurbishment when the track literally breaks or there is an accident...
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ehh...the yeti doesn't directly affect the safety of guests....or does he?????

 

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