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They ruined DL's Small World how much longer before they ruin ours?
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imagineer boy
Well-Known Member
How many times must one explain this?:brick:
Its because when they do change things, the changes tend to SUCK.
jt04
Well-Known Member
Not when JL and WDI is calling all the shots. By the way, I have a feeling in this case Stitch was not WDI's idea.
Other than Stitch, I think the rehab looks awesome!:sohappy:
Expo_Seeker40
Well-Known Member
I'm agreeing where Animaniacs is going....
The relandscaped gardens, lighting for both exterior and interior, paint, glitter, fixed dolls, costumes, new boats, new flume, etc all great....including the "just one moon and golden sun" 1964 replica props in the finale room. :sohappy: I also am cool with the new American room.
I would....(in my opinion :lookaroun) have toned down the additions to truly make it more seamless and integrated.
I would have NO music from the movies playing with the small world soundtrack...this is way too obvious to queue people that Oy! A character is a coming. I do however welcome the CHANGE that involves enhancing the music through the use of musical instruments from native countries.
I would have no character "toys".
They would have all been dolls and there would have been 12 of them.
Peter Pan and Wendy
Alice
Cindy
Pinochio as a real human boy doll thing
Aladdin and Jasmine
Mulan
Little Mermaid
Lilo
Woody and Jessy as a boy with dark hair like woody in his clothes and girl with red hair in her clothes.
There you go....Expo's compromise....12 characters....all dolls...no extra toy figures to go with them no toy three cabs, no toy dory and nemo's dad,etc....no music to go with them....you either see it or you don't and can pretty much enjoy either the original version or the enhanced character version depending on what you notice.
The relandscaped gardens, lighting for both exterior and interior, paint, glitter, fixed dolls, costumes, new boats, new flume, etc all great....including the "just one moon and golden sun" 1964 replica props in the finale room. :sohappy: I also am cool with the new American room.
I would....(in my opinion :lookaroun) have toned down the additions to truly make it more seamless and integrated.
I would have NO music from the movies playing with the small world soundtrack...this is way too obvious to queue people that Oy! A character is a coming. I do however welcome the CHANGE that involves enhancing the music through the use of musical instruments from native countries.
I would have no character "toys".
They would have all been dolls and there would have been 12 of them.
Peter Pan and Wendy
Alice
Cindy
Pinochio as a real human boy doll thing
Aladdin and Jasmine
Mulan
Little Mermaid
Lilo
Woody and Jessy as a boy with dark hair like woody in his clothes and girl with red hair in her clothes.
There you go....Expo's compromise....12 characters....all dolls...no extra toy figures to go with them no toy three cabs, no toy dory and nemo's dad,etc....no music to go with them....you either see it or you don't and can pretty much enjoy either the original version or the enhanced character version depending on what you notice.
It is changing slowly but we do still get leftovers from the Eisner eras like this. I am excited about DCA. On the bright side the changes were green-lit befor WDI's management shake-up so who knows?
Then we have (partialy) done our job.Almost eery how much attention it got, on a day where the stimulus bill was struggling in DC, a major winter storm was bringing heavy rain and snow to Southern California, and the state government had its first "Furlough Friday" to cut costs. And yet the new version of Small World at Disneyland was the big topic.
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jt04
Well-Known Member
Well that's the problem. The kids will ride looking for the characters. The message of unity and world peace will be completley lost on future generations. jt04 I was just thinking the new SSE was done in the Iger/Lasseter era but I am not sure how much was Disney and how much was Siemens.These changes look so minor on a ride that really did need some sprucing up. I have to agree that they don't really change the ride, and at least provide a good scavenger hunt when you go in.
They should provide a list of aded characters so your kids can find them.
Like a giant Where's Waldo book
EPCOT Explorer
New Member
It's a Small World...Disney's new SSE.:lookaroun:lookaroun
I would rather have them gut the attraction then what they did.
Disneyson 1
New Member
My opinion:
- Like the characters
-Peter (Tink behind) is very well done
- Alice was definitely put in the right place (with The Queen (but not of hearts...)!), and her little singing voice is precious! Golden Afternoon really fits here
- Cindy, Jaq, and Gus are very blendy, and the Bipity-Bopity-Boo counterpoint is very good.
- Pinochhio is O.K., but he looks a little fat. P.S. Did anybody see Jiminy Cricket in the window? Cute.
-Aladin, Jasmine, The Genie (at least his lamp), and Abu (pops out of a pot) are very well done. I think that the carpet OUT of the circle is O.K., as if it was mixed in, that would likely cause even more attention to the characters (Which one is it?? Find the one with the lamp, they're there! etc.) "A Whole New World" is great there.
- Mulan and Mushu are good, but re-make the Mushu kite into a more generic one, I thought that he had a clone there! P.S. was there a counterpoint of "Reflection" there? I can't fully tell.
-Simba, Pummba, and Timon (another pop-out character) blend in REALLY well. I can't tell if there's a counterpoint here, either.
- The 3 Cabs are a little intrusive (and they took the skeleton's place, right? I liked them, but we have enough of them on El Rio if it comes here), but I like their style and they blend in fully with the rest of 'em.
-Ariel replaces another "star mermaid", the previous one was equally as intrusive. And flounder does look a bit too realistic, but he blends in with the other fish there, which are equally "realistic/cartoonish". I can understand why they took out the garbeled, bubbly singing (In TLM, does Ariel sound garbled? No.) And her childish, but totally Ariel singing fits perfectly here. Now, if only there was a bubble machine here...
- Nemo and Dory match the astetic, but the eyes on Dory look like she's been out drinking!
- Lilo's cute, Stich isn't nearly as bad as the one in HKDL.
-The farm side of America needs to be reworked (IMHO, it looks to temporary and cheap), but the rest is good (love the howling wolf in the sun!)
-Jessie, Woody and Bullseye (sp?) are a little weird. In the movie, they're dolls, but they can't be dolls in iasw because then they'd be kids, so they're "toys", which are not dolls. So they look a little odd. But they DO fit!
- Not really liking the Hollywood Bowl. It's a little... ostantacious?
-Musical counterpoints make the ride even more magical and even more likely to get stuck in your head, and that's why I like 'em
-The spotlights on the characters are putting me off a little...
-Ariel's spoghtlight doesn't count, as there was a spotlight on the previous mermaid
-The finale scene was fantastic. The changing colors were amazing. A great finale.
-Did anyone notice that the postcard that said "greetings from" was similar to the giant one in "Greetings From California" in DCA? Nice touch, or have I been missing this the whole time...?
-Everybody should see the videos. (may I suggest Mouseinfo?) Everything is tied together very well, wether you like it or not.
-Laughing Place has a "character count if you're interested.
-I always thought that this was a no-brainer, as I thought of this (putting characters in their respective countries) before even hearing rumors that my idea may come true. Pretty creepy.
-The rainbow lighting sequence with the train is great.
- Like the characters
-Peter (Tink behind) is very well done
- Alice was definitely put in the right place (with The Queen (but not of hearts...)!), and her little singing voice is precious! Golden Afternoon really fits here
- Cindy, Jaq, and Gus are very blendy, and the Bipity-Bopity-Boo counterpoint is very good.
- Pinochhio is O.K., but he looks a little fat. P.S. Did anybody see Jiminy Cricket in the window? Cute.
-Aladin, Jasmine, The Genie (at least his lamp), and Abu (pops out of a pot) are very well done. I think that the carpet OUT of the circle is O.K., as if it was mixed in, that would likely cause even more attention to the characters (Which one is it?? Find the one with the lamp, they're there! etc.) "A Whole New World" is great there.
- Mulan and Mushu are good, but re-make the Mushu kite into a more generic one, I thought that he had a clone there! P.S. was there a counterpoint of "Reflection" there? I can't fully tell.
-Simba, Pummba, and Timon (another pop-out character) blend in REALLY well. I can't tell if there's a counterpoint here, either.
- The 3 Cabs are a little intrusive (and they took the skeleton's place, right? I liked them, but we have enough of them on El Rio if it comes here), but I like their style and they blend in fully with the rest of 'em.
-Ariel replaces another "star mermaid", the previous one was equally as intrusive. And flounder does look a bit too realistic, but he blends in with the other fish there, which are equally "realistic/cartoonish". I can understand why they took out the garbeled, bubbly singing (In TLM, does Ariel sound garbled? No.) And her childish, but totally Ariel singing fits perfectly here. Now, if only there was a bubble machine here...
- Nemo and Dory match the astetic, but the eyes on Dory look like she's been out drinking!
- Lilo's cute, Stich isn't nearly as bad as the one in HKDL.
-The farm side of America needs to be reworked (IMHO, it looks to temporary and cheap), but the rest is good (love the howling wolf in the sun!)
-Jessie, Woody and Bullseye (sp?) are a little weird. In the movie, they're dolls, but they can't be dolls in iasw because then they'd be kids, so they're "toys", which are not dolls. So they look a little odd. But they DO fit!
- Not really liking the Hollywood Bowl. It's a little... ostantacious?
-Musical counterpoints make the ride even more magical and even more likely to get stuck in your head, and that's why I like 'em
-The spotlights on the characters are putting me off a little...
-Ariel's spoghtlight doesn't count, as there was a spotlight on the previous mermaid
-The finale scene was fantastic. The changing colors were amazing. A great finale.
-Did anyone notice that the postcard that said "greetings from" was similar to the giant one in "Greetings From California" in DCA? Nice touch, or have I been missing this the whole time...?
-Everybody should see the videos. (may I suggest Mouseinfo?) Everything is tied together very well, wether you like it or not.
-Laughing Place has a "character count if you're interested.
-I always thought that this was a no-brainer, as I thought of this (putting characters in their respective countries) before even hearing rumors that my idea may come true. Pretty creepy.
-The rainbow lighting sequence with the train is great.
ttalovebug
Active Member
Agreed.
However, I still prefer that they not be there at all. Sorry, just not feeling it. :shrug:
Animaniac93-98
Well-Known Member
Agreed, that is the best option, but if we must have charactres that's how I would have preferred it to be done.
ttalovebug
Active Member
Okay, I didn't watch the youtube video before because I didn't want it to affect my initial opinion. But now I have, and I must admit I am a bit impressed. Most of it is very tastefully done, and the music isn't too intrusive. The Cinderella, Alice, and Simba and co. were done best, IMO. If you don't know the characters and film music very well, you probably wouldn't notice most of them. It's almost as if it's a lttle scavenger hunt. I do think that Ariel is a little too obvious, probably because her story has nothing to do with the Pacific Islands, and I don't like Stitch anywhere. But overall, the character dolls aren't so bad. 
Now on the other hand, the "Spirit of America" room - bad. On the farm side, it looks as if they didn't even try to match it to Mary Blair's design. And the Hollywood Bowl, I mean come on. :veryconfu
Now on the other hand, the "Spirit of America" room - bad. On the farm side, it looks as if they didn't even try to match it to Mary Blair's design. And the Hollywood Bowl, I mean come on. :veryconfu
FigmentJedi
Well-Known Member
This thread... Though it's probably worse over at MiceChat...
Wilt Dasney
Well-Known Member
I'm still not seeing how characters are supposed to prevent kids from absorbing the ride's message. That criticism seems to really underestimate their intelligence, as if walking AND chewing gum is a little too advanced for them.
Also, the more I think about it, the ride has always had an element of pointing out the more interesting or animated dolls along the way. "Look at the hyenas! There's the girl with her ducks! etc." Pointing out Cinderella doesn't seem too different from the way I think a lot of people already approach the ride.
Also, the more I think about it, the ride has always had an element of pointing out the more interesting or animated dolls along the way. "Look at the hyenas! There's the girl with her ducks! etc." Pointing out Cinderella doesn't seem too different from the way I think a lot of people already approach the ride.
Lee
Adventurer
Oh, come on!
That's just silly.
The ride's fine. Music is still there, dolls are still there, any "message" it may or may not have had is still there... It's fine.
Really...it's crap like this that makes me question folks' sanity.
Again...the ride is BETTER now. More interesting for kids, and perhaps tolerable for most adults.
God...I hate the idea of "messages" in a kiddie ride...or any other ride for that matter.
