What about the Risqué Cafe?!
Talk about theming and immersiveness! No value engineering here! You can even meet all your favorite characters. Look at (a slightly aged) Jessica Rabbit meeting people out front!
What about the Risqué Cafe?!
That's nice, they better send more buses to DTD![]()
Potter has already slowed down in popularity quite a bit. It peaked at the end of book 6, leading to book 7 which dropped in 2008.
Talk about theming and immersiveness! No value engineering here! You can even meet all your favorite characters. Look at (a slightly aged) Jessica Rabbit meeting people out front!
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Here is an example, Zack Mettenberger started his career at Georgia. He got in trouble and transferred to a junior college then transferred to LSU. He will receive his degree from LSU. The FGR will report that he did not get his degree and penalize Georgia and they will not credit him for a degree at LSU. On the other hand, GSR does not penalize Georgia and credits him with graduating at LSU. What is so hard to understand? What is with the thin skin? I was not criticizing you, I was just letting you know what numbers I was quoting. They are not my numbers, I was just reporting not lying. Relax man.
Pandora land could be called anything and have nothing to do with the avatar movie....because it's going to impress a lot of people...it won't matter
I still wouldn't put it past Iger and his buddies to have still gone on to create MM+ even had they acquired Potter and built it as well as Uni (accompanied with huge financial success to boot). Disney had a clear wake up call even without Potter, with the massive success of Cars Land. That success SHOULD have been a huge kick in the pants as to what guests want and how they should conduct the business at WDW. Yet it wasn't and we're still in the same situation we were before at WDW. The problem remains that Iger is still CEO and is still a problematic nuisance to building WDW organically. Lasseter had to bully other executives to ensure Cars wasn't value engineered beyond recognition (and at Hong Kong Disneyland they had little choice but to hunker down and add some substance to the cripplingly tiny amount of rides). Even with the successes and the validation of the "if you build it (properly) they will come" philosophy, Iger and his flunkies have shown evidence of not learning their lesson. He probably doesn't even realize there's a problem, or care given that he'll be long gone before Avatar is even finished.
I'll also mention the problem of red tape and imagineering bloat regarding the construction of new projects. Under Iger, it has consistently taken Disney about 5-8 times the amount of money as Universal to build theme park attractions/lands that don't even touch what Universal has managed from a quality perspective. If Disney was somehow able to make a deal to get Potter done and built it as well as Universal, it would have cost them at least 5-10 times as much as it cost Universal (assuming their imagineers even had the talent necessary to ensure it was done properly in the first place). Universal's creative department have proven themselves as both incredibly talented (likely because a lot of them used to work as Disney imagineers and learned from some of the old guard) as well as building things fast and cost efficiently (at least compared to what Disney has become, there may even be bloat and red tape in Universal but it's nowhere near as bad as Disney now is).
I don't think DAK's problems can be traced to being too educational at all, the problem is that unlike EPCOT (EPCOT in its original form and a couple of years following its opening) DAK is lacking in enough rides and way too little has been done to address that. And the few headliners it does have are generally lacking in substance compared to ones built in 94 and prior. EPCOT's Future World was always educational in nature, but it had a huge buffer of quality substantial rides to boot besides just being an educational park (so it had appeal to everyone, even to kids such as myself who grew up visiting EPCOT in the early 90's and didn't realize they were being educated). The creators of EPCOT knew what they were doing (and bean counters left enough alone that we still got an outstanding park despite whatever budget cuts may have occurred).You could be absolutely correct. Since the Cameron deal has been in negotiations for a long time, I don't think that they want Cameron to be bad mouthing the land and he has the ability to make quite a stink about it if it doesn't turn out the way he envisions it. As for Rohde's, I wouldn't be surprised to see this as his last big gig for Disney. I think he is on the way out, like Tony Baxter and others. I'm sure he is a royal pain in the butt to the suits and he didn't really deliver the expected results from Animal Kingdom. Beautiful park, but it isn't packing them in either. I sometimes wonder if the old "edutainment" aspect isn't doing to DAK what it did in Epcot. In other words, I don't think he has any power anymore and Cameron in the only hope.
Spoken like a true insider.
Don't come here with fluff. If you have information (credible), and you want to share, feel free to say it. Otherwise, please don't state opinion as fact. Just makes you look bad.
I'm not giving my sources and I'm not saying anything specific unlike most on here do that turn out to be wrong. I know how these things work...things change up to the minute they dig dirt so we'll all just have to wait and see but I'm very optimistic as I am as well about the final result of Disney Springs. We just have to be patient (and I know it's hard haha)
So the true E Ticket has been funded and green lit?I'm not giving my sources and I'm not saying anything specific unlike most on here do that turn out to be wrong. I know how these things work...things change up to the minute they dig dirt so we'll all just have to wait and see but I'm very optimistic as I am as well about the final result of Disney Springs. We just have to be patient (and I know it's hard haha)
I'm not giving my sources and I'm not saying anything specific unlike most on here do that turn out to be wrong. I know how these things work...things change up to the minute they dig dirt so we'll all just have to wait and see but I'm very optimistic as I am as well about the final result of Disney Springs. We just have to be patient (and I know it's hard haha)
I don't necessarily disagree with your assessments, but, the only thing of any substance that was left in DAK was the animal edutainment venue. That alone, has proven to be a loser even in a park that was as spectacular and laden with quality rides as Epcot was. Rohdes ideas and design I have no doubt but think were probably spectacular, but value engineering cut it down to pitiful. You don't think that the suits are going to blame themselves do you? No Rohdes will get that blame.I don't think DAK's problems can be traced to being too educational at all, the problem is that unlike EPCOT (EPCOT in its original form and a couple of years following its opening) DAK is lacking in enough rides and way too little has been done to address that. And the few headliners it does have are generally lacking in substance compared to ones built in 94 and prior. EPCOT's Future World was always educational in nature, but it had a huge buffer of quality substantial rides to boot besides just being an educational park (so it had appeal to everyone, even to kids such as myself who grew up visiting EPCOT in the early 90's and didn't realize they were being educated). The creators of EPCOT knew what they were doing (and bean counters left enough alone that we still got an outstanding park despite whatever budget cuts may have occurred).
Animal Kingdom has incredible potential (still does) but suffered from being built during the second half of Eisner's reign and received a lot of unfortunate budget cuts and value engineering as a result. As such the park always had the problem of too few good rides and there has yet to be enough to address this so many years later. Hollywood Studios suffers from similar problems, and even Epcot now thanks to the removal of many classics (they've made some attempts to cover this up with food and wine events).
The Safari is the only original ride i'd say is worthy of placement amongside the classic Disney greats, I have little to no problem with it and honestly really enjoy it (I find it the crown jewel of the park). Kali is largely just an off the shelf rapids ride, value engineered down from the previously fantastic Tiger River concept (basically a boat based safari that was going to be far longer with real animals to see and a thrilling ending sequence). Dinorama sucks outright, I probably don't need to beat a dead horse by saying why at this point (at least it can be torn apart quickly should they ever decide to build something better there, and almost anything would be an improvement over what amounts to a tacky roadside carnival). Dinosaur is in some ways a good ride on its own, but again was value engineered down to a tiny fraction of what it was intended to be (all the dark parts inside were supposed to be actual scenes at one point and it was supposed to be 2-3 times as long with an outdoor sequence originally). Dinosaur also gets a lot of negative comparison to Indiana Jones (some of which I agree with, these comparisons would not be happening had they gone with something closer to its original form). I also enjoy Everest, though again value engineered down heavily from what its true potential was (though I have heard that it boosted attendance substantially when it opened). The Discovery River boats are gone now but apparently lacked substance to see when they used to exist (again the original concept had more to see along the journey). And then of course you have elements never built in the first place such as Beastly Kingdom or the Excavator coaster, elements I gather were intended to be included on opening day before the budget cuts occurred.
There are a ton of options to fix DAK's problems while still being appropriate to its theme. It just requires money and the right creatives behind it. But it would require a mixture of new rides along with (IMO) a reworking of lacking ones such as Dinosaur and Kali to reach their full potential. Dinosaur needs to be actually finished at least inside (preferably with the original outside part). Kali needs to just been redone entirely using the Tiger River concept. Everest needs some better theming on the inside backwards part and some other show enhancements (JUST to start with switching back on the yeti and fog effects). For new rides i'd like to see a South America land possibly with a Splash Mountain like boat thrill ride (mixing safari elements with real animals along with animatronics and dark ride elements). I'd like to see Dinorama gutted and replaced with a large indoor multi-floor POTC like ride through the history of extinct animals (with animatronics of long dead species). I've other ideas as well, but that would be an excellent start (just needs the proper budget, creative teams and advertisement). And for the kids, I might not be against quality Jungle Book and Lion King dark rides (or boat rides).
Fixed that for you.I know how these things work too.
If it turns out to be a success, you'll say "see I told you! I know my stuff! You just had to wait!"
If it turns out to be a failure, you'll say "You all just want Walt Disney World to fail and cannot admit you were wrong."
I know how these things work too.
If it turns out to be a success, you'll say "see I told you! I know my stuff! You just had to wait!"
If it turns out to be a failure, you'll say "I never stated any specifics, sources, or actual info, so you can't hold me accountable. Things changed."
It's hard to pull one over on WDWMagic veterans. People on these boards are smart. it's clear you're not telling us anything other than opinion. If you want credibility? Back up your optimism with information. If you can't state anything other than "i'm very optimistic" and you don't want to give away your sources, etc, then why advertise the "optimism" you got from these "sources"? That's just going to draw more attention to the credibility of said sources and drum up interest as to what the sources are, which you claim you don't want to reveal.
So the true E Ticket has been funded and green lit?
We wish.
Everything all about "rides" to most of you all isn't it?![]()
Well they definitely missed some details with FLE. WDI has largely forgotten how to do forced perspective.I would disagree. Carsland and all of DCA 2.0 comes to mind. FLE is actually very high quality. The attention to detail is there. They are spending money to correct small things like site line issues behind Gaston's. The place looks great. The biggest complaint is lack of substance and rides. That's not all on WDI. The foreign parks all have WDI projects in them. Issues with upkeep are on park ops, not WDI.
Everything all about "rides" to most of you all isn't it?![]()
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