misterID
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The "overlooking" post wasn't directed at you. I actually agreed with you.
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PhotoDave219
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The "overlooking" post wasn't directed at you. I actually agreed with you.
I glanced quickly. Ooops.
PhotoDave219
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College Football studies Disney?
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoo...lls-fight-to-keep-its-next-generation-of-fans
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoo...lls-fight-to-keep-its-next-generation-of-fans
John
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Funny when I read this bit of news I got the same feeling in my stomach when I have eaten at Taco Bell. Although I am not surprised. He is the darling of wall street. Day traders are wetting their collective pants right now....them and Jimmy Thick of course.
Staggs and his compadre Rasulo are right now crying, clutching their Mickey plushes. But if I was those two I would be thrilled. Who would want to follow in the footsteps of Mr. Wonderful?
Also, why would Booby want to leave? He is making millions and millions? NGE disaster? Who cares....right? Stock prices are solid. ESPN at least for the time being is king and all his acquisitions are hitting their mark. No sir Bob has thought this one out carefully. He is riding this pony till she drops.
Captain Neo
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Iger is investing more meaningfully into WDW's future than Michael "overbuilder" Eisner did in his last 10 years at the top.
Cosmic Commando
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More than Eisner's last five years maybe... if you include this nebulous DHS re-do that we think we're all getting but have no idea the scope of. Eisner's last 10 years would include Animal Kingdom, Test Track, Soarin' and Mission: Space.
Do you not even read @ParentsOf4 's posts?
Nubs70
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Iger has an osteoporosis approach to "investing". Will elaborate later, time to make the donuts.
spacemt354
Chili's
How?
The only reason Iger has the ability to acquire such properties like Pixar, Marvel, Star Wars, etc is because the "overbuilder" Eisner expanded the company, and WDW in particular, into a very profitable organization.
Is Eisner perfect? No, there were definitely some shortcomings in his final years, but you have to look at someone's collective body of work to judge their performances. Not simply portions that you feel fit your arguments.
With that said...
This is a quote from Eisner's announcement of "The Disney Decade"
"Some might think that we're overly ambitious. We don't think so ... We're confident about achieving the mission we've set for the next ten years. After all, people the world over expect Disney to dream, and dream big."
I wish Disney would talk like this today. I'm sure there are people within the company that still feel this way and want to do great things, but they are silenced by Wall Street and more powerful company voices that have other agendas.
Eisner's Theme Park/Company Achievements
Disney-MGM Studios - 1989
Typhoon Lagoon - 1989
Disney Renaissance - 1989-1999
Disneyland Paris - 1992
Blizzard Beach - 1995
Disney's Wide World of Sports Complex - 1997
Disney Cruise Line - 1998
Disney's Animal Kingdom - 1998
Disney California Adventure - 2001
Walt Disney Studios Park - 2002
Eisner's WDW Attraction Achievements
The Living Seas - Epcot 1986
Captain EO - Epcot 1986
Norway Pavilion - Epcot 1988
Mickey's Birthdayland - MK 1988
Wonders of Life - Epcot 1989
Star Tours - MGM 1989
Muppet Vision 3D - MGM 1991
Splash Mountain - MK 1992
Tower of Terror - MGM 1994
Food and Wine Festival - Epcot 1996
Disney Quest - DTD 1998
Test Track - Epcot 1999
Rock n Roller Coaster - MGM 1999
Illuminations - Epcot 1999
Kali River Rapids - AK 1999
Disney's FASTPASS - All parks 1999
Mission: SPACE - Epcot 2003
Mickey's Phillarmagic - MK 2003
Eisner's WDW Resort Achievements
Grand Floridian Resort and Spa - 1988
Caribbean Beach Resort - 1988
Disney's Yacht Club - 1990
Disney's Beach Club - 1991
Disney Vacation Club - 1991
Disney's Old Key West Resort - 1991
Disney's Port Orleans French Quarter - 1991
Disney's Port Orleans Riverside - 1992
All-Star Music/Sports - 1994
Disney's Wilderness Lodge - 1994
Disney's Boardwalk Inn - 1996
Disney's Boardwalk Villas - 1996
Disney's Coronado Springs Resort - 1997
All Star Movies - 1999
Disney's Animal Kingdom Lodge - 2001
...and much more.
Iger has been CEO for almost 10 years now. In terms of a business perspective, he has given TWDC many new acquisitions to build on for the future. Yet where he falls short in my eyes is the drive and sincerity that Walt Disney had. Eisner understood that more than any other Disney CEO. You build it, and build it right, the people will come.
Looking back, the "Disney Decade" also had numerous projects that never happened. There are concept art images and links all over the internet with never built projects. But to me, I can see why people are up in arms regarding why it takes 2+ years for Disney to build a family coaster in the MK. And I can see how people question the fact that the MK hasn't had an E-ticket addition in 20+ years, why DHS is a thematic mess, why blue people are coming to AK (at a snail's pace no doubt), and why Epcot might turn into DHS within the next few years if nothing is done.
I couldn't be more happy that Disney is supposedly in the spending mood again. I sure hope it revitalizes the resort and recaptures the magic that once was. It better, because if it doesn't, we could be looking at a "Uni Decade"
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ParentsOf4
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What some seem to forget is that WDW used to be a resort for adults and teenagers!
Let's recall Walt Disney's words:
"The idea for Disneyland came about when my daughters were very young and Saturday was always Daddy's day with the two daughters. ... I felt there should be something built where the parents and the children could have fun together."
"Adults are interested if you don't play down to little two- or three-year-olds or talk down. I don't believe in talking down to children."
"You can't live on things made for children or for critics. I never made films for either of them. Disneyland is not just for children. I don't play down."
"In the wintertime you can go [to Disneyland] during the week and you won't see any children. You'll see the oldsters out there riding all those rides and having fun and everything. Summertime, of course, the average would drop down. But the overall, year-round average, it's four adults to one child."
"Part of the Disney success is our ability to create a believable world of dreams that appeals to all age groups. The kind of entertainment we create is meant to appeal to every member of the family."
"You're dead if you only aim for kids."
"Adults are interested if you don't play down to little two- or three-year-olds or talk down. I don't believe in talking down to children."
"You can't live on things made for children or for critics. I never made films for either of them. Disneyland is not just for children. I don't play down."
"In the wintertime you can go [to Disneyland] during the week and you won't see any children. You'll see the oldsters out there riding all those rides and having fun and everything. Summertime, of course, the average would drop down. But the overall, year-round average, it's four adults to one child."
"Part of the Disney success is our ability to create a believable world of dreams that appeals to all age groups. The kind of entertainment we create is meant to appeal to every member of the family."
"You're dead if you only aim for kids."
For decades, that was the master plan followed at WDW.
I spent much of the late 1970's and 1980's as a teenager and twenty-something at WDW enjoying the theme parks with my teenager and twenty-something friends.
For nearly 30 years, WDW's target audience was a mature crowd. It was adults with older children and adults without children. It was a crowd with more disposable income, more able to afford WDW's Deluxe Resorts.
All those stories about strollers being unusual at WDW were true. WDW was not a "kiddie" theme park.
A bit over a decade ago, corporate Disney intentionally started targeting families with younger children. Some call this "dumbing down" but, in a sense, it was more like child-proofing. Remove anything remotely frightening to little ones. Simplify the message, in direct contradiction to Walt Disney's vision.
This is a crowd without as much disposable income, less able to afford Disney's high-end experiences. It's one of the reasons WDW no long can fill their Deluxe Resorts even though theme park attendance is up since those earlier days.
WDW used to own the families with teens and tweens crowd but they sold their souls in the early 2000s for the easy buck. Why invest in expensive new and sophisticated attractions in order to appeal to a more mature and sophisticated audience when it's easier (and less expensive!) spending some advertising bucks marketing to little kids on the Disney Channel?
DW and I happen to be raising 4 teenagers right now. Among their friends, WDW is leagues ahead of Six Flags, even with all its thrill rides. However, among them, Universal is the new "it" place. In 2009, it wasn't. With the opening of WWOHP and the continued improvements since then, Universal is now the exciting park, the park that's evolving, the park that is actually trying to earn their business.
WDW has become the stodgy old park that's pretty much the same way it was 10 years ago, except now it's overrun by strollers and screaming children who are being kept awake way past their bedtimes because their parents are desperate to squeeze every second out of what has become very expensive vacations.
It wasn't always like that.
Not that long ago, WDW actually was (gasp) for adults!
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Soarin' Over Pgh
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Nubs has the most perfect quote in his/her signature.
And yeah, reality is a cross between Wall-e and Idiocracy. And that's very scary.
The feeling that your toilet needs seatbelt and shoulder restraints or the feeling that there's a revolution taking place in your guts and you're going to lose the war? Either way I think it's accurate for this.
I don't see why bobby I would want to leave, he's making too much money (seriously and you can't even buy a shirt that fits? Who dresses this man?) and his name needs to be sealed for eternity on shanghais opening plaque. I just hope they're not having a bad air pollution day when Shanghai does open, because it would be so fitting we all might die laughing.
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Soarin' Over Pgh
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What some seem to miss is that WDW used to be a resort for adults and teenagers!
Let's recall Walt Disney's words:
"The idea for Disneyland came about when my daughters were very young and Saturday was always Daddy's day with the two daughters. ... I felt there should be something built where the parents and the children could have fun together."
"Adults are interested if you don't play down to little two- or three-year-olds or talk down. I don't believe in talking down to children."
"You can't live on things made for children or for critics. I never made films for either of them. Disneyland is not just for children. I don't play down."
"In the wintertime you can go [to Disneyland] during the week and you won't see any children. You'll see the oldsters out there riding all those rides and having fun and everything. Summertime, of course, the average would drop down. But the overall, year-round average, it's four adults to one child."
"Part of the Disney success is our ability to create a believable world of dreams that appeals to all age groups. The kind of entertainment we create is meant to appeal to every member of the family."
"You're dead if you only aim for kids."
For decades, that was the master plan followed at WDW.
I spent much of the late 1970's and 1980's as a teenager and twenty-something at WDW enjoying the theme parks with my teenager and twenty-something friends.
For nearly 30 years, WDW's target audience was a mature crowd. It was adults with older children and adults without children. It was a crowd with more disposable income, more able to afford WDW's Deluxe Resorts.
All those stories about strollers being unusual at WDW were true. WDW was not a "kiddie" theme park.
A bit over a decade ago, corporate Disney intentionally started targeting families with younger children. Some call this "dumbing down" but, in a sense, it was more like child-proofing. Remove anything remotely frightening to little ones. Simplify the message, in direct contradiction to Walt Disney's vision.
This is a crowd without as much disposable income, less able to afford Disney's high-end experiences. It's one of the reasons WDW no long can fill their Deluxe Resorts even though theme park attendance is up since those earlier days.
WDW used to own the families with teens and tweens crowd but they sold their souls in the early 2000s for the easy buck. Why invest in expensive new and sophisticated attractions in order to appeal to a more mature and sophisticated audience when it's easier (and less expensive!) spending some advertising bucks marketing to little kids on the Disney Channel?
DW and I happen to be raising 4 teenagers right now. Among their friends, WDW is leagues ahead of Six Flags, even with all its thrill rides. However, among them, Universal is the new "it" place. In 2009, it wasn't. With the opening of WWOHP and the continued improvements since then, Universal is now the exciting park, the park that's evolving, the park that is actually trying to earn their business.
WDW has become the stodgy old park that's pretty much the same way it was 10 years ago, except now it's overrun by strollers and screaming children who are being kept awake way past their bedtimes because their parents are desperate to squeeze every second out of what has become very expensive vacations.
It used to not be like that.
Not that long ago, WDW actually was (gasp) for adults!
I've had way too many people say to me "you're dying to go back to Disneyland/world? Why?" And give me a sideways glance.
Fact is, the parks are so dumbed down (and my local disney store which I recently had to stop going into, because I feel like a pervert!) and geared towards kids that adults...the ones with the money, paying for the trips... Are pushed aside and not given enough...merch buying options and adult experiences. And please don't shove that "adults can do meet n greets!" Carp at me, I'm totally not interested in m-n-g.
I would love nothing more than to walk into my local disney store and gave more than one rack of adult tshirts to pick from. Or, coffee mugs. Everything else is dress up, for play, plush, or kids costumes. Even the back of the store has been redone for "story time".
I wish they'd put m in charge of merchandising for the stores. (And to anyone reading this at disney feel free to shoot me a pm for my resume, you'll see how great I'd be at this)
culturenthrills
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DMMM is also a low capacity attraction. Even when you go on a slow day it will have a wait.
doctornick
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This. The problem isn't the presence of characters, but in how those characters are utilized.
RivieraJenn
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Book of Life isn't Pixar.
stevehousse
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No, Pixar has a day of the dead film in production currently...
RivieraJenn
Well-Known Member
Ah, I had missed that, evidently. It will be interesting to see how that plays out. I have high hopes for Book of Life, which is also Dia de lost Muertos themed.
Magenta Panther
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Totally agree. I stopped going to my local Disney store because there was nothing in it for me to buy. In fact, if I wanted Disney merch that was clever or for grownups, I had to go to a local non-Disney gift shop that happened to carry those items. I was surprised at how much good stuff was available there. But why wasn't it offered at an actual DISNEY store??? It was ridiculous. The Disney store people seemed to have forgotten us adult Disney fans. For that reason, when our local Disney store closed, I wasn't the least bit surprised. It had deteriorated into resembling a Toys R Us. Feh.
GoofGoof
Premium Member
Agreed on everything. My point in posting was that WDW did attract plenty of adults and even teenagers without much of a focus on thrill rides.What some seem to forget is that WDW used to be a resort for adults and teenagers!
Let's recall Walt Disney's words:
"The idea for Disneyland came about when my daughters were very young and Saturday was always Daddy's day with the two daughters. ... I felt there should be something built where the parents and the children could have fun together."
"Adults are interested if you don't play down to little two- or three-year-olds or talk down. I don't believe in talking down to children."
"You can't live on things made for children or for critics. I never made films for either of them. Disneyland is not just for children. I don't play down."
"In the wintertime you can go [to Disneyland] during the week and you won't see any children. You'll see the oldsters out there riding all those rides and having fun and everything. Summertime, of course, the average would drop down. But the overall, year-round average, it's four adults to one child."
"Part of the Disney success is our ability to create a believable world of dreams that appeals to all age groups. The kind of entertainment we create is meant to appeal to every member of the family."
"You're dead if you only aim for kids."
For decades, that was the master plan followed at WDW.
I spent much of the late 1970's and 1980's as a teenager and twenty-something at WDW enjoying the theme parks with my teenager and twenty-something friends.
For nearly 30 years, WDW's target audience was a mature crowd. It was adults with older children and adults without children. It was a crowd with more disposable income, more able to afford WDW's Deluxe Resorts.
All those stories about strollers being unusual at WDW were true. WDW was not a "kiddie" theme park.
A bit over a decade ago, corporate Disney intentionally started targeting families with younger children. Some call this "dumbing down" but, in a sense, it was more like child-proofing. Remove anything remotely frightening to little ones. Simplify the message, in direct contradiction to Walt Disney's vision.
This is a crowd without as much disposable income, less able to afford Disney's high-end experiences. It's one of the reasons WDW no long can fill their Deluxe Resorts even though theme park attendance is up since those earlier days.
WDW used to own the families with teens and tweens crowd but they sold their souls in the early 2000s for the easy buck. Why invest in expensive new and sophisticated attractions in order to appeal to a more mature and sophisticated audience when it's easier (and less expensive!) spending some advertising bucks marketing to little kids on the Disney Channel?
DW and I happen to be raising 4 teenagers right now. Among their friends, WDW is leagues ahead of Six Flags, even with all its thrill rides. However, among them, Universal is the new "it" place. In 2009, it wasn't. With the opening of WWOHP and the continued improvements since then, Universal is now the exciting park, the park that's evolving, the park that is actually trying to earn their business.
WDW has become the stodgy old park that's pretty much the same way it was 10 years ago, except now it's overrun by strollers and screaming children who are being kept awake way past their bedtimes because their parents are desperate to squeeze every second out of what has become very expensive vacations.
It wasn't always like that.
Not that long ago, WDW actually was (gasp) for adults!
They decided they needed thrill rides to compete which was misguided. Luckily it was a short lived phase. Imagine if they really gutted Spaceship Earth to make it a coaster.
stevehousse
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I remember when the Disney stores were so grand and ours even had the "Mickeys Kitchen" restaurant inside it! O how I want a bibbidi boppidi Shake right now...