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aladdin2007

Well-Known Member
Mission: Space actually wasted millions of dollars by disconnecting two of the installed centrifuges. Not to mention Eisners dream of cloning it around the globe collapsed with its lack of anticipated stellar success.

Did you purposely ignore the new profile on FJ so you could attempt and fail again at another cheap Universal dig? So predictable.

Martin, I didnt want to start a whole new thread for this so thought I would throw it into here. SE recently recieved some lighting upgrades and attention. The white bleeding lights issue in the cave screen room under the tracks has now been fixed and completely dark and looks so much better.
The Phoenicians room, on the left side where a little lit ship use to sit has now been upgraded with a new black lit wall/sky and more stars and lights added. The burning room scent is as strong as ever, and believe it or not the wrinkled curtains in the descent arent so wrinkled anymore. Lighting in general seems fixed and better throughout. Was this the love you said that was possibly coming to Epcot awhile back?
 

Smiddimizer

Well-Known Member
All amusement parks need a steady dose of capital expenditure (capex) to remain healthy. As the world’s premium theme park brand, this is particularly true for Disney. It’s this higher investment that makes Disney a premium brand, allowing them to charge more than other amusement parks.

Instead of increasing spending to maintain the brand, corporate Disney is on track this year to spend only 8% capex domestically, actually below the post 9/11 level. :mad:

MyMagic+ has dragged the numbers down badly while much of Iger's and Rasulo's reputations are tied to MyMagic+. They've harped on about MyMagic+ for seven straight quarters without producing any tangible results, long enough for many on the street to start to question it. Iger and Rasulo are so desperate to make MyMagic+ look like a success story that they are taking a slash-and-burn approach to budgets to pump up margins, even if there are long-term consequences at WDW.

Walt Disney defined the company standard when he stated:

“The park means a lot to me. It's something that will never be finished, something I can keep developing, keep 'plussing' and adding to. It's alive. It will be a live, breathing thing that will need changes. When you wrap up a picture and turn it over to Technicolor, you're through. Snow White is a dead issue with me. I just finished up a live-action picture, wrapped it up a few weeks ago. It's gone. I can't touch it. There are things in it I don't like, but I can't do anything about it. I want something live, something that would grow. The park is that. Not only can I add things, but even the trees will keep growing. The thing will get more beautiful year after year. And it will get better as I find out what the public likes. I can't do that with a picture; it's finished and unchangeable before I find out whether the public likes it or not.”​

It’s the public perception of this standard that allows corporate Disney to charge what it does. Without it, Disney’s theme parks slowly lose their competitive edge.

For Disney, public perception is everything yet Iger and company are playing a high stakes game with WDW's reputation just so they look good in front of Wall Street for the next quarterly earnings call.

Realistically, Disney should be spending about 13% on capex domestically in order to maintain its premium brand image.

Under Iger, Disney’s P&R capex has averaged 10.7%.

That 2.3% difference might not seem like a lot but since Iger took charge in 2005, that 2.3% equates to an extra $2.5B. Just imagine what today’s WDW would be like if Iger had spent an extra $2.5B.

Meanwhile, domestic capex in 2013 and 2014 are closer to 8%.

Allocating $500M in 2017 for Pandora is unacceptable. Anyone who defends that kind of capex budget is a Disney apologist, whether they realize it or not.

As long as corporate Disney continues to underinvest in WDW, WDW (and its fans) will continue to suffer.

What year(s) did DIS pay the $1.whatever billion for the DCA re-do?
 
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Bairstow

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Jungle Cruise has reopened at Tokyo. Projectionitis strikes again, as there seems there is no longer any physical animal figures in the temple scene

Normally I would post the "absolutely disgusting" reporter guy macro, but honestly this looks pretty good in isolation.
It does, however, clash rather badly with the limited-motion animatronics featured in the rest of the ride.
I'll take our monkeys and glowing-eyes tiger any day of the week.


Additionally, they threw a movie reference in with Circle of Life playing when the boats arrive at the African Veldt.

That seems to get a pretty good laugh.
I've heard skippers make that same joke a couple times when I've ridden, though obviously without the help of a music track.

Maybe one of these days they can do an Apocalypse Now overlay.
 

flynnibus

Premium Member
I just look at the 365 guys as having more resources than creativity. I'd find something more interesting to do if I had that kind of time and money.

The way I see it.. if you live in the area.. it doesn't take much resources to do it (just an AP). It just takes your time and focus.. and at that kind of scale, what are you ignoring to be at the park that much? That is the scary part to me.
 

PhotoDave219

Well-Known Member
Oh, I agree with you, I was just pointing out that most of us here are a bit "special" in our own way.

I just look at the 365 guys as having more resources than creativity. I'd find something more interesting to do if I had that kind of time and money.

Maybe if you had spent one day every day for a year in all the castles in Europe… That be pretty cool.
 

lazyboy97o

Well-Known Member
The way I see it.. if you live in the area.. it doesn't take much resources to do it (just an AP). It just takes your time and focus.. and at that kind of scale, what are you ignoring to be at the park that much? That is the scary part to me.
Would this be celebrated so much as just having fun if it was another venue like a strip club? Given the language so often used, I more equate it to drinking. A drink to unwind and relax every so often is fine, but people are going to start to raise eyebrows when it becomes a dedicated, every day activity. There are also plenty of high functioning addicts, but it doesn't mean their behavior should be encouraged/applauded.
 

Bairstow

Well-Known Member
Oh, I agree with you, I was just pointing out that most of us here are a bit "special" in our own way.

I just look at the 365 guys as having more resources than creativity. I'd find something more interesting to do if I had that kind of time and money.

I could maybe see dropping in for a little time after work each day if you were local- not to ride rides, but just to treat it as an actual park.
Find a bench in Future World or something, just chill out and surf the net on my phone, something like that.
It's the time commitment to actually get to to the resort, park, and leave every time that would kill me. It's not just as easy as stopping by the city park to feed the birds.
 

Darth Sidious

Authentically Disney Distinctly Chinese
Mission: Space actually wasted millions of dollars by disconnecting two of the installed centrifuges. Not to mention Eisners dream of cloning it around the globe collapsed with its lack of anticipated stellar success.

Did you purposely ignore the new profile on FJ so you could attempt and fail again at another cheap Universal dig? So predictable.

I wish there was a way to ride FJ on the old profile. Unfortunately I'll never know the difference.

All amusement parks need a steady dose of capital expenditure (capex) to remain healthy. As the world’s premium theme park brand, this is particularly true for Disney. It’s this higher investment that makes Disney a premium brand, allowing them to charge more than other amusement parks.

Instead of increasing spending to maintain the brand, corporate Disney is on track this year to spend only 8% capex domestically, actually below the post 9/11 level. :mad:

MyMagic+ has dragged the numbers down badly while much of Iger's and Rasulo's reputations are tied to MyMagic+. They've harped on about MyMagic+ for seven straight quarters without producing any tangible results, long enough for many on the street to start to question it. Iger and Rasulo are so desperate to make MyMagic+ look like a success story that they are taking a slash-and-burn approach to budgets to pump up margins, even if there are long-term consequences at WDW.

Walt Disney defined the company standard when he stated:

“The park means a lot to me. It's something that will never be finished, something I can keep developing, keep 'plussing' and adding to. It's alive. It will be a live, breathing thing that will need changes. When you wrap up a picture and turn it over to Technicolor, you're through. Snow White is a dead issue with me. I just finished up a live-action picture, wrapped it up a few weeks ago. It's gone. I can't touch it. There are things in it I don't like, but I can't do anything about it. I want something live, something that would grow. The park is that. Not only can I add things, but even the trees will keep growing. The thing will get more beautiful year after year. And it will get better as I find out what the public likes. I can't do that with a picture; it's finished and unchangeable before I find out whether the public likes it or not.”​

It’s the public perception of this standard that allows corporate Disney to charge what it does. Without it, Disney’s theme parks slowly lose their competitive edge.

For Disney, public perception is everything yet Iger and company are playing a high stakes game with WDW's reputation just so they look good in front of Wall Street for the next quarterly earnings call.

Realistically, Disney should be spending about 13% on capex domestically in order to maintain its premium brand image.

Under Iger, Disney’s P&R capex has averaged 10.7%.

That 2.3% difference might not seem like a lot but since Iger took charge in 2005, that 2.3% equates to an extra $2.5B. Just imagine what today’s WDW would be like if Iger had spent an extra $2.5B.

Meanwhile, domestic capex in 2013 and 2014 are closer to 8%.

Allocating $500M in 2017 for Pandora is unacceptable. Anyone who defends that kind of capex budget is a Disney apologist, whether they realize it or not.

As long as corporate Disney continues to underinvest in WDW, WDW (and its fans) will continue to suffer.

Interestingly the Walt quote you have here was referenced by Bungie (a video game company for those who don't know) when speaking on their new game Destiny. He talked about how their past franchises such as Halo were done for the most part once they hit shelves whereas this new game will have close to a 10 year life due to continued building based on user feedback and game data. He even spoke on a story that inspired him where Walt and his head of maintenance met shortly after Disneyland had opened and the head of maintenance suggested to Walt they install a small fence to prevent guests from continuing to trample over the flowers to which Walt said 'no put a path there and move the flowers, it's clear we got it wrong and they want to go that way.'

That's what is great about Disneyland and Walt, it and he embody the innovative and entrepreneurial spirit.
 

Mike S

Well-Known Member
I could maybe see dropping in for a little time after work each day if you were local- not to ride rides, but just to treat it as an actual park.
Find a bench in Future World or something, just chill out and surf the net on my phone, something like that.
It's the time commitment to actually get to to the resort, park, and leave every time that would kill me. It's not just as easy as stopping by the city park to feed the birds.
Tuppence a bag.
 

ParentsOf4

Well-Known Member
What year(s) did DIS pay the $1.whatever billion for the DCA re-do?
The below chart is something I posted earlier on this thread and should give you an idea of how capital expenditure (capex) is tied to projects at WDW.

There are a few points to keep in mind.

This chart is heavily weighed towards what happened at WDW. DCL is included but only DLR's biggest ticket items are included.

Similarly, this chart does not specify WDW hotels. From 1990 to 1994, Disney added over 9,000 rooms as well as the infrastructure to support the guests in those rooms. After that rush, WDW hotels were added at a steadier pace.

The cost of some projects were spread out over years, depending on how they were funded.

One final point to consider is that MyMagic+ had heavy operating expenditure (opex) startup costs, much more so than the typical brick & mortar project. A large chunk of its cost is not reflected in capex. How much MyMagic+ "cost" depends on how the question is asked. ;)

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bhg469

Well-Known Member
I wish there was a way to ride FJ on the old profile. Unfortunately I'll never know the difference.



Interestingly the Walt quote you have here was referenced by Bungie (a video game company for those who don't know) when speaking on their new game Destiny. He talked about how their past franchises such as Halo were done for the most part once they hit shelves whereas this new game will have close to a 10 year life due to continued building based on user feedback and game data. He even spoke on a story that inspired him where Walt and his head of maintenance met shortly after Disneyland had opened and the head of maintenance suggested to Walt they install a small fence to prevent guests from continuing to trample over the flowers to which Walt said 'no put a path there and move the flowers, it's clear we got it wrong and they want to go that way.'

That's what is great about Disneyland and Walt, it and he embody the innovative and entrepreneurial spirit.
Makes me want destiny even more!
 

bhg469

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lentesta

Premium Member
I'm a bit confused. Are you saying the response didn't come from Disney directly? ... Because I can't imagine why if Jenn or Gary or Thomas told you that you were being too negative and were revoking credentials/no longer putting you on 'the list' that your response would be one of respect.
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It came directly from Disney.
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
What year(s) did DIS pay the $1.whatever billion for the DCA re-do?
It was spread out over almost 5 years from 2007 to 2012. I think the bulk of construction was 2010 to 2012. The project was announced in the end of 2007 and opened fully summer of 2012.

Edit: it is Iger's crowning achievement from a P&R perspective and did take some stones to green light and follow through on despite a big downturn in the economy in 2008.
 

TubaGeek

God bless the "Ignore" button.
I also heard Pete was supposed to become a costumed character but idk if it's true or not. @WDW1974
Barely relevant, but interesting (to me): In Minnie Mouse's DHS queue there are Brown Derby style portraits of some of the major characters with their respective autographs. Peg-Leg Pete is amongst these, complete with a fully-figured autograph.
 
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