The Spirited Seventh Heaven ...

Bolna

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BOYS BOYS BOYS! As a consequence of a shift in beliefs regarding the BRAND, there has been a strong push away from Disney being an all ages brand with no strong gender attachment towards pushing princess merch; likely the consequence of gendered focus testing. The Disney BRAND became outwardly toxic for boys despite its parks and films having much to offer for both boys and girls. Over time those shifts in brand perception among children has resulted in everything from an initially princess M&G heavy NFL, with SDMT added later, to gender segregated programming on Disney Junior, compare Disney Jr's programming lineup to that of PBS Kids.

So now that they've "poisoned" the brand for most boys and the suits believe gendered IP is a safer bet, ignoring the fact that some of Disney' and Pixar's biggest hits were not directed at one gender. That's where Marvel comes in. Burbank sees Marvel as an equalizer that can perform in the same manner for boy as the Princesses have for girls. If you have a look at the rankings for merchandising based on FRANCHISE/BRAND, Marvel may not look that big, but the suits believe that over time it can be a solid top 10 contender along with the rest. Marvel also serves international objectives as well. China has a male to female ratio of 1.18 to 1, for children under 18, which bodes well for such a boy focused brand in the world's fastest growing middle class. On the content side, their grand experiment, the Marvel Cinematic Universe, has reinvented the idea of the franchise by creating a shared universe modeled after their comic book counterparts. Also worth noting that Kevin Fiege wasn't a big comic book fan growing up yet studied the comics. We now have two successful Captain America movies, a character many said would never resonate with audiences, and that movie with the talking tree and raccoon everyone seems to be talking about as that Avengers thing.

Maybe I should have mentioned that me and my friends are all female. :D We regularly meet up for an evening out, leaving husbands and kids behind at home, to have a drink and see a film. The usual picks are in the category one could call "chick flick". That's why I made the comment that with Guardians of the Galaxy they did not have the Marvel brand (which here in Germany is not very well known any way) working for them, but still the film had a brilliant first weekend (it just came out last Thursday). I do think that this is one of the strength of the film (and why it seems to be so successful), it is not a purely male film.
 

WDW1974

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There's a very vocal minority of this fanbase that makes the rest look absolute reprehensible. We seem to have a generation of petulant children who feel entitled to everything and throw tantrums at 30 years old when they don't get their way.

Dave, I don't believe they are as big a minority as you'd think. I wouldn't be surprised if they were the majority at this point. I get how even my friends and colleagues in media/entertainment give me strange looks when I talk about the parks and the amount of time I spend in them when you look at what Disney/UNI fandom has become. You do feel a little dirty when you see a lot of what is out there.

You can be a fan without being a Lifestyler. ... That said, if I don't get an Oswald plush and LE MNSSHP pin then I am going on the Twitter and going to pout and say nasty things that if I have enough followers will have Dr. Blondie jumping through hoops for me!

It goes far beyond the Disney community however the common denominator I see of these behaviors is people living their lives online.

Unplug, people. Put the phone down and experience life.

That's a bigger problem and really is an issue that is killing people (texting, tweeting, FBing, general playing with iPhones when driving!)

I get VERY annoyed when I am sitting at a restaurant with friends and they can't put down their toys for 90 minutes. It's a very troubling addictive behavior ... and no addictive behavior (including going to WDW for 365 days in a row) is remotely healthy. But that's a whole 'nother subject, but one I'd be glad to have here if you'd like ...
 

WDW1974

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I cannot. It would likely result in severe neurological problems as a result.

That being said, my body cannot handle the stresses of a centrifuge and space flight simulator. Lots of people cannot. It is by far the most realistic attraction I've ever been on. Being in a Zero-gravity environment inside a theme park is mind blowing.

It is a fantastic attraction that is just too realistic.

Yes, it should have been part of a multi-tiered space pavilion. Not a simulated ride that's programmed the same every time and one that makes a great deal of people ill.
 

Nemo14

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I thought this was a news forums for all of the parks because there have been discussions on this forum for Disneyland, Shanghai Disneyland, Walt Disney World, and the other parks.
I think what Dave was saying is that since your question had nothing at all to do with the topic(s) at hand, it would have been better placed in the Disneyland part of this forum.
 

misterID

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Mission Space actually created a profile so you can experience the attraction and not become ill, unlike a certain wizard. I always wished Universal would be able to create a less intense version, like on the sum of all thrills.
It still makes me sick...
 

WDW1974

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Probably because she gets in for free, and was in town on business. And if you are from Orlando you probably think the only thing to do in other cities is go to theme parks. She should have gone to The Getty or LACMA or Laguna Beach or something actually different than a theme park, the poor dear.

Okay, I've brought this up years ago, but I'm about to do it again. I rarely mention her because I don't want to jeopardize a friendship, so I'll keep this purposely vague...

In my little neighborhood known for some very good cocktail and dinner parties, I have a neighbor who works in TDA. She has been working at Disneyland for over 30 years, and she worked her way up into middle management in TDA 20 years ago. Her husband is also a successful professional and a very nice guy but doesn't really get the "Disney" thing, so she and I always chat at parties and with my nerdish knowledge of Disney we can keep up with each other. On her second mojito she can tell the funniest stories about Disneyland!

But one of the broad themes she has run with is the strong dislike the Anaheim team has for the Orlando team. There is a natural rivalry there, as to be expected. But it goes beyond that. The Anaheim team feels strongly that the Orlando office has let the brand down and is "doing it wrong" ("It" being the operation of a Disney theme park). Their standards in Orlando are different, their entire focus is different, and their attitude is different. She claims they are all "sooooo corporate and dull!" The Anaheim and Orlando teams are interacting more in the last 8 years thanks to Rasulo's "One Disney" corporate setup.

She has said many of her peers in Orlando are only concerned about their next job, and they seem to rotate and transfer within jobs out there every 12 to 24 months. Whereas the Anaheim team is much more stagnant in upper-middle management and lower exec ranks, with the exception of the DLR President who is replaced by Burbank every 3 years like clockwork. In Anaheim her peers routinely count their tenure in decades, and stay in the same departments for years and years and years. Her Anaheim peers are all experts in their field, with clearly defined standards.

She also talks derisively about the physical setup out in Orlando, where most middle and senior management is in business parks far removed from an actual theme park and they rarely enter a theme park or Guest area. TDA is 100 yards from Fantasyland, and she often goes into Disneyland or DCA to shop or have lunch with her coworkers, including executives.

The result of these differences, in her opinion, is that the Anaheim team is more focused on making sure Disneyland remains Disneyland, instead of focusing on your next gig and updating your LinkedIn profile page every year. I'm summarizing, and leaving out some more telling details, but that's the gist of it.

From the discussion here about @PeterAlt and the TDO woman he listened to in line at Indiana Jones Adventure, it seems my neighbor is right. :eek:


Yes, I did look at Peter's OP on his observation and it absolutely sounds like a typical TDO drone not having a clue what business they are supposed to be in. They don't ever quite get that they can't get away (largely) with O-Town crap or business practices in Anaheim, even if they have tried dating back to Georgie K's disastrous first stint out there in 2000-02.

The problem is the guests out there have standards and many go back decades and generations ... that's what happens when you're the place "Where the MAGIC started'' (remember that line?) and O-Town guests, even locals? Well, they're just thrilled to death when a 'rare' foamhead appears.

I know there was a lot of anger expressed here toward her and I would have confronted her in the park and did my best to find out who she was. That behavior is the kind of stuff that could certainly wind up on her employment record.

Can we have someone come in here now and defend the good people who run WDW and how terrible it is that vile Spirits like myself take anonymous shots at them here (that was the in schtick when I joined this site, but thankfully that is no longer the en vogue fallback).

BTW, anyone speak to Andy Hardy about the financial reasons for EPCOT's entertainment gutting?
 

PhotoDave219

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I thought this was a news forums for all of the parks because there have been discussions on this forum for Disneyland, Shanghai Disneyland, Walt Disney World, and the other parks.

Okay, well ..... You see that bit at the top of this page called "WDW News, Rumors and Current Events"? Or on the previous page where you would have clicked on "WDW News, Rumors and Current Events"?

Well because this particular subforum is labeled in that particular fashion, when you bring up Innoventions, its automatically implied and assumed that you're talking about Epcot unless you specify otherwise.

Yes, in this particular thread we've discussed all the properties so its in your best interest to specify exactly where you're talking about.
 

PhotoDave219

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I think what Dave was saying is that since your question had nothing at all to do with the topic(s) at hand, it would have been better placed in the Disneyland part of this forum.

He brought up Innoventions. Innoventions is at Epcot unless specifically stated otherwise.
 

WDW1974

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BTW, @WDW1974, word in the trenches is that WDW resorts (hotels and their restaurants) were told to slash $3M this Summer. Explains the little cuts everywhere. Whether that's due to falling occupancies, a need to look profitable for NGE, or something else, I do not know.

Yes. I have heard that ... not confirmed, but I'm very comfortable in saying that's accurate.

Now, you know why your Costco bar snacks disappeared from Mizner's (at the supposedly 4-star with delusions of 5-star Grand Flo).

Does anyone here get that WDW largely is run like it is still post 9/11 or that it is going out of business rather than bringing in record profits?
 

Figments Friend

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Probably because she gets in for free, and was in town on business. And if you are from Orlando you probably think the only thing to do in other cities is go to theme parks. She should have gone to The Getty or LACMA or Laguna Beach or something actually different than a theme park, the poor dear.

Okay, I've brought this up years ago, but I'm about to do it again. I rarely mention her because I don't want to jeopardize a friendship, so I'll keep this purposely vague...

In my little neighborhood known for some very good cocktail and dinner parties, I have a neighbor who works in TDA. She has been working at Disneyland for over 30 years, and she worked her way up into middle management in TDA 20 years ago. Her husband is also a successful professional and a very nice guy but doesn't really get the "Disney" thing, so she and I always chat at parties and with my nerdish knowledge of Disney we can keep up with each other. On her second mojito she can tell the funniest stories about Disneyland!

But one of the broad themes she has run with is the strong dislike the Anaheim team has for the Orlando team. There is a natural rivalry there, as to be expected. But it goes beyond that. The Anaheim team feels strongly that the Orlando office has let the brand down and is "doing it wrong" ("It" being the operation of a Disney theme park). Their standards in Orlando are different, their entire focus is different, and their attitude is different. She claims they are all "sooooo corporate and dull!" The Anaheim and Orlando teams are interacting more in the last 8 years thanks to Rasulo's "One Disney" corporate setup.

She has said many of her peers in Orlando are only concerned about their next job, and they seem to rotate and transfer within jobs out there every 12 to 24 months. Whereas the Anaheim team is much more stagnant in upper-middle management and lower exec ranks, with the exception of the DLR President who is replaced by Burbank every 3 years like clockwork. In Anaheim her peers routinely count their tenure in decades, and stay in the same departments for years and years and years. Her Anaheim peers are all experts in their field, with clearly defined standards.

She also talks derisively about the physical setup out in Orlando, where most middle and senior management is in business parks far removed from an actual theme park and they rarely enter a theme park or Guest area. TDA is 100 yards from Fantasyland, and she often goes into Disneyland or DCA to shop or have lunch with her coworkers, including executives.

The result of these differences, in her opinion, is that the Anaheim team is more focused on making sure Disneyland remains Disneyland, instead of focusing on your next gig and updating your LinkedIn profile page every year. I'm summarizing, and leaving out some more telling details, but that's the gist of it.

From the discussion here about @PeterAlt and the TDO woman he listened to in line at Indiana Jones Adventure, it seems my neighbor is right. :eek:

Thank you for posting this.

:)
 

WDW1974

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Careful, aren't you a bit fond of Tom Amity's future wife Scarlet? She was there and I'd hate for your calling her crazy, ruining your chances of nabbing her once she comes to her senses and dumps old Tommy. :D

I've never met her. She seems nice enough and is a friend of my friend @PhotoDave219 ... And I am off the market between Angie and Cassandra and my fanboi minions anyway! :)

The woman also has children (not talking about Tommy, although he might count) and one could easily understand why she'd want to have a special night with her kids.

It's a little different if you're a single adult (and I do believe Disney is marketing this to that crowd!)
 

TP2000

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Not when he was marginalized and sitting in an office working on things that never had a shot of happening ... all while pulling down a seven figure salary.

Yikes. If he was getting seven figures to design the (admittedly fabulous) new Princess Fantasy Faire meet n' greet and helping Kim Irvine pick out wallpaper for shop remodels, then that's not good.

I adore Baxter's 20th century work as much as the next Disney fan, but there comes a time when a wealthy sixtysomething guy who no longer has the CEO's ear takes the gold watch and makes room for the younger set with new ideas.
 

Nemo14

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Yikes. If he was getting seven figures to design the new Princess Fantasy Faire meet n' greet and helping Kim Irvine pick out wallpaper for shop remodels, then that's not good. I adore the guy's 20th century work as much as the next Disney fan, but there comes a time when a wealthy sixtysomething guy takes the gold watch and makes room for the younger set with new ideas.
Aren't thoughts like that what got us NGE in the first place?
 

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