The Spirited Seventh Heaven ...

[arko]

Tell that to my wife. . . wait, what is the topic again????

wdw1974 is a faux one percenter , discuss

 

[Cesar R M]

Yep, among other things.

ahem, you explicitly said "trill thrill factor".

 

[spacemt354]

I explained this to someone else, but I'll explain it again. For some people, it does mean there isn't anything for them at Disney. Sometimes for those who like nothing but mega thrill rides, like my uncle and a few of my friends, there's nothing at Disney that they find fun or interesting. They have told me themselves. My uncle came to California from New Mexico for a visit, and I mentioned hitting up Disneyland. He looked at me like I was stupid and said, "I don't think so. Disneyland is boring and full of kiddie rides. I'm a grown man, let's go to Magic Mountain." There's nothing at Disney that he's interested in. Same goes for a few of my friends. Two have claimed to really hate Disneyland, and the other one may as well hate it because I've never heard a positive thing come out of her mouth about Disney parks. They are thrill-seekers, through and through. Neither my uncle, nor my friends, can find anything at Disneyland, nor California Adventure that they like.

I'm not saying every coaster fan is like this. I'm saying some are.

What Disney are we talking about? Just Disneyland in Cali or Disney in general?

I'd find it hard to believe that nothing is geared towards thrill seekers. Summit Plummit? RnRC? Space Mountain in Paris?

I thought the conversation was Disney in general. Also just because a few people claim that not one single ride is appealing, doesn't mean that we still can't say Disney has something for everyone.

Again I think "appeal" and "having something there" for everyone are two different arguments. Just because I make a roller coaster and someone doesn't like it, doesn't mean it's not still a roller coaster.

 

[arko]

Until they attempt to walk in and have a drink as well and are told they cant because they didnt pay the $45. How will they feel then? Offended, confused? Who knows, but I dont think people at Uni will get too upset or confused to learn they have to pay a small fee to experience something NEW, that is part of a NEW park addition. My only point in the beginning of this was that Uni is charging half of what Disney is and at least you get something new for it, not the same. Comparing an attraction to a dining experience is not the point, its how each company charges for additional experiences and what you get for it. And I dont think the "wind down" and the fee that comes with it would ever have been created unless Disney desperately needed extra money on the books to show as profits. Their ing on our heads but telling us its rain. (please make a funny joke with that, @Pumbas Nakasak)

its no different than being denied access to the Tommorrowland terrace during the Fireworks show because it is closed off to those who payed for the fireworks dessert party, which happens all the time now, and doesn't seem to bother Disney. Nobody is denying this is a new money grab in a long list of money grabs from TDO. But its not anything new or surprising.
You want to talk money grab lets talk about the Halloween and Christmas event that TDO charges 60+ dollars for that Disneyland charges nothing for, now that is a money grab.

 

[WildcatDen]

wdw1974 is a faux one percenter , discuss

The Spirit does not need us to discuss him, that dude walks on water.

Nope, I think the discussion is more in tune with whatever Disney gripe we have at the time and how we can force our gripe on those 'poor unfortunate souls' spending time enjoying Steve's magical domain. . . So, about that Jessica Rabbit meet and greet, any updates?

 

[spacemt354]

according to you.. the coasters should only be ranked according to their speed and "force" factor?

But "force factor" can be established by non-coasters...like mission:SPACE. That ride has more g-force than many coasters. How does one rank that?

 

[Omnispace]

You must absolutely DESPISE Universal, where the only ones permitted to jump the line are those who are able to pay nearly double for their ticket. If you're not taking advantage of the Fastpass system, then that's your decision to put yourself behind the 8 ball. It works like a charm for me, and it makes my park-touring much much more efficient at no added cost.

I'm not speaking out about it because it's something that makes me angry -- but being more an advocate for the average guest and the theme park experience in general. Whichever way it is offered such systems create resentment when people see other people getting preferential treatment, especially when the long line they are in is partially a result of the preferential system that was put in place. I'm glad you have had good experiences with FP, I have as well when I have benefited from it, but that doesn't negate the argument that it is a fundamentally flawed system. When you see FP+ being added to attractions that never needed it before, it becomes pretty obvious that there is deception and manipulation going on.

 

[Cesar R M]

No. It's actually like going to WDW and not buying hoppers.

I'm not going to pretend that I have any knowledge of actual numbers, but I will go out on a limb and say that LOADS of guests don't buy hoppers because they have no intention to park hop. If these patrons suddenly learned that there was an attraction that they could not experience because they didnt have hoppers, they would see that as a negative.

For the hypothetical tourist who planned to go to Universal for two days and wasn't going to park hop, that amounts to a twenty dollar fee for each member of the family just to ride Hogwarts.

It depends in the type of person I presume; as a first goer to WDW.. AK was a full day park for me (when it still had the parade).
because I never had seen all the attractions or shows or M&G, AREAS..etc.. before (hell I did 2 full days with no park hoppers on it because I loved the immersion. MK was too crowded for me )

For those seasoned who knows what to see and what to watch (and got bored already by the "a single time visit is enough for this show") pretty sure you would require a hopper. (I say this because all the fans in this site swear that AK is just a "half day park" due of their experience and lack of rides/attractions, which in the long term I agree)

Also, depends on the actual target of the visitor..
For example: is the visitor going just to check all the potter things (as a potter fan) first or only?
they would of course buy the 2 park entry!

Keep going....

Please do.

I dont think he will ever stop. He already digged himself all the way to china.

 

[Californian Elitist]

What Disney are we talking about? Just Disneyland in Cali or Disney in general?

I'd find it hard to believe that nothing is geared towards thrill seekers. Summit Plummit? RnRC? Space Mountain in Paris?

I thought the conversation was Disney in general. Also just because a few people claim that not one single ride is appealing, doesn't mean that we still can't say Disney has something for everyone.

Again I think "appeal" and "having something there" for everyone are two different arguments. Just because I make a roller coaster and someone doesn't like it, doesn't mean it's not still a roller coaster.

I was talking about the American parks, specifically referring to the DLR.

I'm saying Disney doesn't have something for everyone. You don't have to say it, but I am.

 

[LithiumBill]

These threads hurt my head... I come in here to read what the Sprirt has to say, and then get to witness the worlds biggest troll fest by faux know-it-alls as I scroll through...

 

[Californian Elitist]

ahem, you explicitly said "trill factor".

You mean "thrill" factor. I don't understand your response.

 

[Cesar R M]

Can I get an executive summary of who's sniping with who on this thread? I sort of lost track after we got into the double digits...

You're on your own.. Its an almost full brawl in here.. Reminds me of the United Nations.

Well the monorail is pretty coo

pretty overrated imho.. the current state of the monorail is sad..
when I boarded it to get to the SPIRIT OF ALOHA show.. It smelled like , most of the lights inside didn't even work.

Out of all of the arguments for or against the extra "fee" to ride Hogwarts, you lost me here. It's like comparing Apples to Monorail Footers.

I still dont see it is an extra "fee" to ride Hogwarts.. its another park entrance!
even more attractions!

 

[spacemt354]

I was talking about the American parks, specifically referring to the DLR.

I'm saying Disney doesn't have something for everyone. You don't have to say it, but I am.

Okay. Whatever you say.

 

[wdisney9000]

How has it in any way "ruined certain aspects of being spontaneous"? You don't have to use FP+. It sounds to me that based on your preference style of touring the parks that FP+ would not really change anything.

It sure felt like a change when we tried to book a FP+ for Soarin at 11 am and couldnt get it, or TT and this was in January on a weekday (no holiday). Never had that happen before. Granted, FP for Soarin usually ran out with legacy, but hardly ever before 11 am on a low crowd day midweek. It sure felt like a change when we waited 45 minutes in standby for POTC or 30 minutes for HM.

The certain aspects I spoke of were more about being able to get up and decide what park we want to go to. We usually get to the parks by 10 or 11 am and in the past if we decided to go to EPCOT we could stroll over to Soarin and get a FP return and hit a few smaller attractions and shop, eat, drink, etc, and then return to ride and then get a fP for TT and return later and if we decided to hop to another park later in the day we could still get FP's there as well. Now we have to get on the app the night before, check availability, decide if we want to book the FP+ for that park and know that we will have to use all 3 FP in that park. Its not the end of the world, but it DOES eliminate being spontaneous to a degree. Dont get me wrong, MDE and FP+ do have some advantages, I dont hate it, just think the money could have been used more wisely on attraction capacity issues and more attractions/shows ultimately means less wait times for all attractions. Ill take that over an app and MB anyday.

 

[flynnibus]

It seems that those things had already motivated the hypothetical guests to buy multi-day tickets, but not necessarily multi-park tickets.

And since the 2 park uplift cost is basically fixed... It's even more cost effextive for multi day holders

Will this exclude some people? Of course... Do I think the majority will let that ruin their trip? No. People will pay or they won't. It's not going to ruin Christmas

 

[PhotoDave219]

Tell that to my wife. . . wait, what is the topic again????

[Redacted]

 

[PhotoDave219]

The Spirit does not need us to discuss him, that dude walks on water.

Nope, I think the discussion is more in tune with whatever Disney gripe we have at the time and how we can force our gripe on those 'poor unfortunate souls' spending time enjoying Steve's magical domain. . . So, about that Jessica Rabbit meet and greet, any updates?

whaaaaaaaaaaa?

 

[flynnibus]

Seriously ... None of you are new posters so why the @$!k are you guys insisting on arguing over fp+ here for the 200th time and detailing yet another thread.

If you want to talk about why fp+ good/bad why not pick one of the other dozen threads on the subject.

It's no longer a passing comment or tangent. GTFO and get a room

 

[bhg469]

have you actually booked a last minute FP+ or used a kiosk in the park?

I have attempted to but they weren't available. And when I found a ride avail that I sort of wanted to go one, the other 2 options I was being forced to use for my other fast passes were attractions that I wouldn't go on if you paid me...

So I guess the answer would be no...

 

[culturenthrills]

What exactly would be the virtue in a Frozen overlay of Maelstrom?
The ride, and especially the queue are limited in length and capacity.
As of today, the attraction is still one of the most popular rides at EPCOT, with queues rarely dipping below 30 minutes for most of the day.

Do they want to take the ride offline for a year, then have it reopen with 2-3 hour queues for a decade or so, just because?

This! It will destroy the feel of the Norway pavillion. I saw how the meet and greet turned the pavillion into an operational nightmare. Temp Q's blocking most of the walkway. It would be a disaster. What is ridiculous is there is an expansion pad in between Mexico and Norway that they could put a state of the art Omnimover dark ride that could handle the capacity that this attraction will need and Epcot desperately needs. And don't get me started about a Frozen attraction that is a boat ride thru a Frozen world, you know where the river and the bay were you know, FROZEN. Ugh.