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sweetpee_1993

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They won't. Take it to the bank. And it's a damn shame.

I still recall the late 1980s and all the talk of TV and Film production coming with the openings of Disney-MGM and Universal Studios. We really, some of us anyway, thought Florida could be the LA/Hollywood of the east. But so many things conspired against that, not all the fault of the Studios (although they certainly deserve some of the blame!)
I remember the "New Hollywood" push. That wasn't long before I packed my little Plymouth Champ with all the worldly belongings of a 16 yro and ditched my Central Florida life for good. ;) After I left, prob'ly around 1990-ish maybe just after, they were filming the Mickey Mouse Club at the Studios. My younger step-sister had a friend whose Dad worked for the company (no clue what capacity) and brought the girls to tapings as often as they liked, sometimes daily when school was out I think I recall. Soooo the whole New Hollywood thing didn't work out so well..... Shame.
 

bhg469

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Hey we got Brittany, Christina, Melissa Joan Hart and like 10 boy bands out of it. Not to mention Gak and Slime.

My last visit to universal orlando before I went this past march, I witnessed a taping of "welcome freshman". I flipped out and still remember that fondly. Obviously neither park produces television or movies anymore but wow, that was a lasting memory.
 

WDW1974

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It may well just be too far back for me to properly recall, but I just don't recall having a desire to explore and revisit. Part of my present cynicism may well be my views of the greater situation. I think it was approved for bad reasons that its success has reinforced. I also think it was an anomaly and something on such a scale is not to be seen in the US for some time again.

I feel when I am in Cars Land that I am in Radiator Springs (some anti-Cars folks may not get the sheer joy out of that that I do). Much like when I am at IOA, I feel like I am in Hogsmeade. ... They both do what only TDS has done for me as a theme park. Made me feel like I wasn't walking around a movie set, but that I was actually in a movie. They are both incredibly transformative environments. Beautifully and lovingly crafted. ... As to it being an anomaly and something not going to be seen here for some time, I sadly concur. Could Pandora be similar? Sure, I guess. But it has to be so over the top spectacular that it gets most folks past the point that they can't stand or don't recall or don't care about the film that inspired it. (you recall, genocide by a group of militants that sure resembled US military or ex-military which is sorta the same thing!

It was very odd if you know anything about today's Walt Disney World and how it wasn't just creative license but an outright lie. It just seemed too forced to make the point that Walt Disney World is still the world's leader of customer service.

I have to see it. I don't think those episodes are available on ABC.com, so maybe they'll run it again in the next two months.
 
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Next Big Thing

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They won't. Take it to the bank. And it's a damn shame.

I still recall the late 1980s and all the talk of TV and Film production coming with the openings of Disney-MGM and Universal Studios. We really, some of us anyway, thought Florida could be the LA/Hollywood of the east. But so many things conspired against that, not all the fault of the Studios (although they certainly deserve some of the blame!)
Universal still gets small things produced, but it's so hard to get major productions to want to come to Orlando. What does Universal's Sound stages offer that can't be found in Louisiana (where production is booming) or in Miami (the REAL East coast Hollywood)? Nothing.

The Tonight Show and those type of things work if they come here because it's theme park, so it's basically a giant playground for Jimmy and his show. It also mainly allows for a lot of cross promotion. But as far as regular production? It's just hard to get people to want to come to Orlando.
 

WDW1974

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I agree re: Club 33.

I firmly believe that the Club 33 expansion is designed to take advantage of all of these Lifestylers/Bloggers ... the ones who have money and don't get in on a 'friend' (you know the kind you find in the Disney fan community) and want to crow about having a membership.

I tried to have a business meeting in the 1901 Lounge (the Club's DCA locale) last month and with all the OC folks who just wanted to crow about their status in the Disney community, decry paying taxes despite all being worth many millions of dollars and act like the workers there were family, I was having very bad 90210 flashbacks.

What I am curious to know is when Disney is going to make the announcement about the FL location. Do you know? This thing was first told to me over a year ago and still nothing, but I know it is happening.
 
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AEfx

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I don't know I think the mix of tourists interested in trying something new and fanbois anxious to be star-uhm, lovers could ensure a healthy crowd on a regular basis. Not the 800 seats a night Tonight filled, but I understand in NYC that number is only like 250. Something like that could be reasonable in Orlando.

It's not the ability to generate a crowd - that's easy. It's the type of guest - precisely the types you mentioned, actually. They don't make the best/most desirable, regular audiences for a show. They get bored easily. They are all in T-shirts and flip-flops, except for the crazy fanbois - which no one wants, really, LOL.

They actually could easily fill up 800 seats a day - folks will get in a line for anything - but when they want to get up and leave because the big star main guest is gone and they don't care about the second-from-the-last-actor in the credits for a low-rated sitcom who's on in the last ten minutes, and folks start to walk out ("Don't tell me to sit down! I paid thousands of dollars to be here, I wanna go on Harry Potter now! This is boring my family!") - it's just not the crowd you want to rely on every day.

I was pleasantly surprised by this. Attended two tapings, neither lasted more than 75 minutes. And the Fun show felt live to tape--new song, maybe two minutes of patter, then a mini-concert with their three hits. I've heard stories about Disney parade tapings, but but with a looser style, I think things could work better.

That's because it was highly mechanized knowing all this, and the theme park audience. To do a show like that takes a lot more work because they are doing it as much for the folks there as they are for the actual production of the television show (keeping the audience happy makes everyone look happy, so they do it).

A real production just doesn't work that way - while that quick three-minute commercial break between Kim Kardashian and Chloe on 24 as the next guest might go by in three minutes on TV, it very well could be a half-hour in between - Chloe might be running late, her makeup may have run because she cried after Kanye walked up and grabbed her drink from her in the green room, they might have trouble getting the forklift to start that they need to carry Kim's derriere off the stage, etc.



It all boils down to the same basic thing - in order to make it work in a theme park environment, in Florida, they have to make so many compromises, and add so much expense, simply to accommodate the fact that it's in a theme park that it's just not worth it for the parties involved. Why double your cost and triple your PITA factor solely for the novelty for tourists to gawk at it, when you consider if the park just needs an attraction, it's far cheaper to just get a bunch of contract players from Entertainment and put on a show you can run a few times a day and run through even more guests.
 

articos

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Universal still gets small things produced, but it's so hard to get major productions to want to come to Orlando. What does Universal's Sound stages offer that can't be found in Louisiana (where production is booming) or in Miami (the REAL East coast Hollywood)? Nothing.

The Tonight Show and those type of things work if they come here because it's theme park, so it's basically a giant playground for Jimmy and his show. It also mainly allows for a lot of cross promotion. But as far as regular production? It's just hard to get people to want to come to Orlando.
Make no mistake, although cash is not exchanged, Tonight Show is strictly a promotional stunt, pitched by Universal Orlando with concessions made. This was not generated by NBC or Fallon. And actually the stages offer a controlled studio environment with a backlot and a familiar working environment to people from California, which is not easy to come by in Louisiana or Miami or Atlanta, where it's mostly warehouse conversions instead of purpose built stages. The main reason is dollars - Louisiana gives a ton of concessions. Miami allows a lifestyle the producers can enjoy with restaurants and clubs and beaches. So, in a way you're right, in that they offer things that Orlando can't beat. But the studio as a studio is a first class facility that no one else beats on the east coast, with the exception of Pinewood Atlanta,and they don't have the backlot or back of house facilities. Even SilverCup in NYC doesn't beat Universal, just matches, offering NYC as a backdrop, but with less attractive physical facilities.
 
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NearTheEars

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Are you okay? You're shaking, eyes are bloodshot and there is residue around your nose. Are you seeing large rodents constantly and dreaming of magic. Tell me how was your relationship with your mother?

I've seen lots of people accused of being pixie dust addicts, but it is rather true that you can spend a full day at DAK if you actually take the time to do everything: attractions, trails, animals etc. No pixie dust needed.

I did it for the first time last weekend. Typically my DF and I rush in, ride EE, Dinosaur and the safari and make our way out. This time I walked the trails, watched the shows, had lunch and rode the attractions. I had no idea most of it was there. And I feel kind bad knowing that tons of people don't know either.
 

articos

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I firmly believe that the Club 33 expansion is designed to take advantage of all of these Lifestylers/Bloggers ... the ones who have money and don't get it on a 'friend' (you know the kind you find in the Disney fan community) and want to crow about having a membership.

I tried to have a business meeting in the 1901 Lounge (the Club's DCA locale) last month and with all the OC folks who just wanted to crow about their status in the Disney community, decry paying taxes despite all being worth many millions of dollars and act like the workers there were family, I was having very bad 90210 flashbacks.

What I am curious to know is when Disney is going to make the announcement about the FL location. Do you know? This thing was first told to me over a year ago and still nothing, but I know it is happening.
It's to take advantage of anyone willing to put up the membership fees. I don't agree with that, but. I don't know when they will say anything about a FL location. But yes...I'd say it's safe to say it's coming.
 

AEfx

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Anyone else want to touch this post? Anyone ...

Haha, and no one did. :)

I will, LOL.


It's kind of like the two types of men who generally went to a vintage Britney concert before she was of age (leaving aside the guys who's girlfriends dragged them).

If it's a gay guy trying to meet Princesses, that normally is cute and somewhat adorkable in some circles, harmless, a gay guy who wants to meet/see a character he "idolizes". OMG! You know?

If it's a straight guy, it's creepy and gross and you can't help but put some sexual yuckiness to it.


That's why when I go to a Britney concert, or stand in line for a female character (Leia has been the only one, I have, I think) I go a bit out of my way to flash my gay card - normally, everyone involved is very much relieved.
 

StageFrenzy

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It's to take advantage of anyone willing to put up the membership fees. I don't agree with that, but. I don't know when they will say anything about a FL location. But yes...I'd say it's safe to say it's coming.

Where would they put it? Think of all the liasons that could occur if it was on the backside of mainstreet.
 

Next Big Thing

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Gotta love the title of this yahoo article: "Universal's new Harry Potter park: 1 ride, 7 shops" http://news.yahoo.com/universals-harry-potter-park-1-ride-7-shops-172445565--finance.html

It praises Uni's ability to get guests to spend money without them even noticing seemingly. The article isn't actually altogether too negative, as they praise the area multiple times, but it is focusing on how the area is aimed at keeping the cash flowing.
 

Next Big Thing

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Make no mistake, although cash is not exchanged, Tonight Show is strictly a promotional stunt, pitched by Universal Orlando with concessions made. This was not generated by NBC or Fallon. And actually the stages offer a controlled studio environment with a backlot and a familiar working environment to people from California, which is not easy to come by in Louisiana or Miami or Atlanta, where it's mostly warehouse conversions instead of purpose built stages. The main reason is dollars - Louisiana gives a ton of concessions. Miami allows a lifestyle the producers can enjoy with restaurants and clubs and beaches. So, in a way you're right, in that they offer things that Orlando can't beat. But the studio as a studio is a first class facility that no one else beats on the east coast, with the exception of the upcoming Pinewood Atlanta. Even SilverCup in NYC doesn't beat Universal, just matches, offering NYC as a backdrop, but with less attractive physical facilities.
Oh, obviously. They would've never gone to Uni if Diagon wasn't opening. But it did make for a fun week of shows for him.
 

StageFrenzy

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I've seen lots of people accused of being pixie dust addicts, but it is rather true that you can spend a full day at DAK if you actually take the time to do everything: attractions, trails, animals etc. No pixie dust needed.

I did it for the first time last weekend. Typically my DF and I rush in, ride EE, Dinosaur and the safari and make our way out. This time I walked the trails, watched the shows, had lunch and rode the attractions. I had no idea most of it was there. And I feel kind bad knowing that tons of people don't know either.

Yeah like a transforming robot there is more to AK than meets the eye. Too bad it's a go bot. But seriously did you see that 'em, slinging pixie dust everywhere.
 

articos

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Gotta love the title of this yahoo article: "Universal's new Harry Potter park: 1 ride, 7 shops" http://news.yahoo.com/universals-harry-potter-park-1-ride-7-shops-172445565--finance.html

It praises Uni's ability to get guests to spend money without them even noticing seemingly. The article isn't actually altogether too negative, as they praise the area multiple times, but it is focusing on how the area is aimed at keeping the cash flowing.
I hate when they refer to it as "parks". They're lands. And this King's Cross is not really the tube station. Sloppy journalism.
 

TalkingHead

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Gotta love the title of this yahoo article: "Universal's new Harry Potter park: 1 ride, 7 shops" http://news.yahoo.com/universals-harry-potter-park-1-ride-7-shops-172445565--finance.html

It praises Uni's ability to get guests to spend money without them even noticing seemingly. The article isn't actually altogether too negative, as they praise the area multiple times, but it is focusing on how the area is aimed at keeping the cash flowing.

It's amazing to me that journalists can be so incompetent with details. Never mind the "Harry Potter park" and "one ride" business, the article says the interactive wands are $35 when they're actually $45 (someone correct me if I'm wrong).

I mean, I don't expect Woodward and Bernstein, but c'mon, it's basic details and you can't get them right?

/end rant

Interesting quote from the article:

"Disney always sets the bar for our industry," he said. "But during the last 15 years or so, Universal has been coming along very strong in terms of product adaptation and development."
 

Next Big Thing

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It's amazing to me that journalists can be so incompetent with details. Never mind the "Harry Potter park" and "one ride" business, the article says the interactive wands are $35 when they're actually $45 (someone correct me if I'm wrong).
This isn't the first article i've seen get that wrong either. People seem to be confusing the price of the collectible wands with the price of the interactive wands. A little research would solve that problem, however.
 

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