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FigmentJedi

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Like how Disney used to do on Disney Channel in the 90's? No, if they did that there would be no room for the tween crap fest.
That's why they'd shove it on Disney XD. That's where Big Hero 6 is going. Plus, there's also that Tangled show starting next year. I think Disney's moving past the "No TV spinoffs of new films" rule Lasseter put into place when he arrived.
 

alphac2005

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Unfortunately same here I spent 2 days in Diagon Alley alone just soaking in the details and the environment and eating the THEMED FOOD for me theme parks are not about rides so much as being transported to another world and Diagon Alley succeeds in that, The Hogwarts express yes it's screen based but the details of the shabby 1950's era British Rail coaches are beautifully done.

It's pretty obvious where the Imagineering talent Iger has kicked out of WDI have gone and what they can achieve, (oh and at a much smaller pricetag than WDI...)

I think that my only real concern with Universal is the overuse of screens in their attractions, but based on much of the chatter out there, it looks like they have a bunch of things in the pipeline that will get away from it. If any attraction has a near perfect use of screen technology, it has to be Hogwarts Express. It's simply terrific. Diagon Alley is so rich that in many ways you get overloaded with the details, which makes for terrific repeat visiting in order to find new things.
 

PhotoDave219

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you lost instantly when you pulled the overused "... is a business" excuse.

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you forgot to add "grab as much they can, eroding the foundation of the company for short term success then run away with a golden parachute when everything falls apart".
This is pretty prevalent in the Wall Street neoliberal capitalism.

By the way, in another thread I mentioned about how some groups pulled thousand of thousands of documents detailing a huge defrauding, tax evasion and illegal money laundering schemes called "the panama papers" .
Theres even mentions of how certain banks protected famous thiefs that stole huge valued stuff by erasing the tracks of the movements and using paper companies and fiscal paradises.
They even mention people like Messi (from Barcelona), Vladimir Putin (Russia) and a lot of politicians and big names. They even mention terrorist groups and drug lords.
Yet, it is untouched by Fox or CNN other big news who are very keen of this wall street neoliberal capitalism management.... I guess it hit too close to home for a lot of the executives in these companies.

I think the overall point is that simply because your business is not a justification for crappy behavior…
 

RSoxNo1

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The more I see from WDW these days (DAK aside), the more depressed and disheartened I become. I don't know what Guests or fans think when they visit The Corpses of EPCOT Center and The Disney-MGM Studios. Truly.

When added to photo essays of what was River Country and vast swaths of trees removed whether so people can now see into Disney Springs from I-4 or so more timeshare can be added to the WL, what does it say?

To anyone who isn't a rabid Disney addict, BRAND advocate or apologist, they might think it looks like the place has been destroyed and that WDW is on the verge of bankruptcy and not more financially successful than at any point in its 44 year history.

How does one visit EPCOT and not wonder why the Seas looks like it hasn't been maintained since last century? How does one not notice how vast swaths of Future World are deader than some seedy strip centers on the wrong side of Sand Lake? How does one not notice how laughably out of date attractions like Ellen's Energy Adventure are? What makes people who aren't from Orlando and/or are Lifestylers/Bloggers/Podcasters etc feel a pull to return?

And the Studios? Really? George Kalogridis and Bob 'Chappie' Chapek don't laugh as people enter a park that now has a smaller footprint than it did 25 years ago when it was a cohesive product and offered more quality by far? Who 'produced' the most recent Star Wars clip show that Disney will proudly tout as a new attraction as Disney starts bulldozing for Toy Story Land, one of the weakest things it could have possibly cloned from its parks in Paris and Hong Kong? And putting BB-8 on the cover of the new maps? Ah, did you really do that just so all the OCD local fanbois could come out and hoard 156 copies that some are now selling on eBay?

This Disney is so far removed from what I grew up -- and, yes, became addicted to -- from the mid-70s to the late 90s. Just laughably lower quality and a lesser value in every conceivable way.

What exactly is the deal with DAK's RoL? Why can you not get anything from Disney beyond an Opening Date of April 22nd? They must have a whorefest scheduled. No one here has access to that internally? No one has dates and times? Disney expects you to know what you want for dinner on July 22nd and what time, but 18 days before a show is supposed to open it simply doesn't exist on any official schedules?! What kind of exceeding Guests expectations is that? Is it as big a secret as where that $800 million went in China ... or why that Austin dude came here to play PR for Disney after getting his 'exclusive' on the development of MM+? The only thing I know is DAK is blocked out for CM walk-ins for the last two weeks of April, yet the park is listed as closing at 6 p.m. every night. Labor schedules have to be made ... no one here works at DAK?

I don't agree with all the bravado and chest pumping I see from the UNI Wand Wavers. But they are doing so much more right with their inept management than Disney is doing with its own. The Kong attraction sounds really, really good ... and I am not a fan of the IP (although I loved the original attraction and would take it over the Mummy today). UNI keeps adding attractions to its parks and Disney keeps removing things and adding $150 EMHs (with most of the park shuttered) and cutting quality on cuts of beef while raising prices and you just get the same tired BS from fans. UNI adds great themed resorts, while Disney removes theming from its resorts and adds its own IP at the moderate levels and converts its deluxes (that it can't sell at $400-1000 a night because there aren't that many rubes with money who haven't visited before and want to) to timeshare.

Telling Disney that you won't visit anymore AFTER the next six trips you already booked and then Star Wars opening and then the 50th and ... oh yeah, what were we talking 'bout? You're going to keep up the very strange, dysfunctional, abusive, unhealthy relationship and then use Walt (who would probably toss around so many bad words that even @The Mom would kick his tush off this site when he sees what his name is used for today) as a reason. Hey, guess what? I'm willing to bet that the Dead Guy might HATE much of what you love about Disney ... from Olaf to Vader, from Hulk to building half complete theme parks all over the globe, from cruise ships to timeshares to tacky motels ... so leave him out of any discussion.

I sorta reached my breaking point with WDW around 2012-13 when I flat out realized that not only was UNI offering a far better product (although way too many screens and attractions that feel the same!), but in many ways so was Busch ... now SW. Visiting smaller operations from Knott's Berry Farm in the USA to Europa Park in Germany to Ocean Park in Hong Kong has only continued to drive home the point that Disney most certainly isn't the best, especially in FL, at much of anything any longer beyond whoring IP and franchises, controlling social media (hey, Cupcake ... how are YOU doin?) And a deal? Well, if you stay off property, if you have cast friends that will walk you in, have dinner with you at the few places the rubes stay away from so you can get 40% off etc. then yeah, WDW is absolutely still worth it. But paying for it at anything close to full price? I just don't fundamentally get what it is that so many people see at a resort that is so damn stale and neglected that adding a billion dollars worth of work to one park would be but a tiny dent in what needs to happen.

I was there in 1976 for America on Parade and the opening of the old swimming hole.

I was there in 1986 when The Living Seas was dedicated.

I was there in 1996 when the BW opened.

Hell, I was even there in 2006 when the Yeti opened minus disco.

What exactly has happened to WDW in the last 10 years? What has been added (don't give me a list, got one in my head)? Where is the substance? Where is the quality? Where is the value? I sure don't see it.

But let's all get excited because a new garage is being built at Disney Springs Mall ... or because Club Villain (foamhead party for the 32-year-olds!) exists ... or because you can now pay $249 for breakfast at Boma ...

Just amazed at the justifications I see ...
I visited Knott's last year and aside from the Calico Mine Train I was underwhelmed. Even that was really only World of Motion quality but in 2015.

I haven't been to Busch Gardens in decades so I can't comment on that and Sea World obviously has had it's share of amazing missteps in the last 5 years.

Regarding Epcot and Hollywood Studios, both parks are bad but for entirely different reasons. Epcot has the bones of a good park but they're gradually chipping away at it with nearly every change making the park worse. Hollywood Studios at least has a bright future, but then they throw around the Guardians of the Tower thing and I'm totally dumbfounded. I think most people were on board with the future of DHS, we just wanted construction to start earlier than 2 days ago.

I'm convinced that Epcot will see more Pixar and Disney Animation Studios products in the next 5-10 years. They'll look at that as the only option for fixing that park and people make easy/lazy connections with Ratatouille, Inside Out and presumably Coco for future projects.

Future World has been dead for years, and World Showcase is dying.

Brand advocates are making decisions on the parks and that is deadly for Epcot's future.
 

Cesar R M

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Yeah, Zootopia would be better suited for a television series like Big Hero 6.
I have no idea why I imagine a "The Naked Gun" mixed with the pink panter style show but with the zootopia character rooster.

According to this report, The Force Awakens made a profit of about $923M. It sounds like that is just based on box office alone.

dear god, it really made 2 billion minus costs?
700+ million pure hard cash earning?
 
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Cesar R M

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It's simple they are probably named in the Panama Papers, This should be interesting as the independent media picks this up and runs with it.
This is actually the intesting thing.
They found a lot of politicians from my country. All those who are in power and who did favors to the government (and who now pay zero taxes).

Its always funny to see how the government of panama is actually running to arrest the leaker than actually arrest those who are doing illegal things in their land.
Even better to see my country's politicians scrambling to claim that everything is an orchestrated lie and that nothing is real.

While I'm the minority who actually wished a sequel to the film happened. I'm more curious to see the film become a new show on Disney XD.

I actually wish for a sequel as well. I just hope they do not make the same mistakes as Cars 2.
Where they went for the cheap "spy" trope.
 

Cesar R M

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I visited Knott's last year and aside from the Calico Mine Train I was underwhelmed. Even that was really only World of Motion quality but in 2015.

I haven't been to Busch Gardens in decades so I can't comment on that and Sea World obviously has had it's share of amazing missteps in the last 5 years.

Regarding Epcot and Hollywood Studios, both parks are bad but for entirely different reasons. Epcot has the bones of a good park but they're gradually chipping away at it with nearly every change making the park worse. Hollywood Studios at least has a bright future, but then they throw around the Guardians of the Tower thing and I'm totally dumbfounded. I think most people were on board with the future of DHS, we just wanted construction to start earlier than 2 days ago.

I'm convinced that Epcot will see more Pixar and Disney Animation Studios products in the next 5-10 years. They'll look at that as the only option for fixing that park and people make easy/lazy connections with Ratatouille, Inside Out and presumably Coco for future projects.

Future World has been dead for years, and World Showcase is dying.

Brand advocates are making decisions on the parks and that is deadly for Epcot's future.
Pretty sure the Guardians thing is just a knee jerk reaction while the park is a walking skeleton(until Toy Story and Star Wars).
aka the cheapest way to get some attention, claim its a "brand new attraction" of "marvel". to attract the ignorant.
 

Clamman73

Well-Known Member
Is this old news about Staggs leaving on May 6th?
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71jason

Well-Known Member
The more I see from WDW these days (DAK aside), the more depressed and disheartened I become. I don't know what Guests or fans think when they visit The Corpses of EPCOT Center and The Disney-MGM Studios. Truly.

Just an anecdote, since I'm back anyway for Staggs news:

Saturday, last day of operation, High Octane Bar ripped the front of their bar off, down to the concrete, and let guests use Sharpies to cover it in memorial graffiti. It was soon covered in names, well wishes and hand-drawn Mickey symbols.

All afternoon, plenty of non-lifestyler guests came up. Despite the bar being covered in graffiti, they were shocked it was the last day of operation and slated to be torn down. The park is so empty and trashy already, that didn't faze them for a second.
 

Mike S

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That's why they'd shove it on Disney XD. That's where Big Hero 6 is going. Plus, there's also that Tangled show starting next year. I think Disney's moving past the "No TV spinoffs of new films" rule Lasseter put into place when he arrived.
I don't get Disney XD. Why can't they just make the regular channel good huh?
 

ford91exploder

Resident Curmudgeon
I have no idea what the laws in Panama are, but it is possible that doing "those things" may be legal, but that leaking confidential information is illegal.

The problem is while those things may indeed be legal in PANAMA, The people doing those things are not residents or even present in PANAMA and the things discussed are illegal in the individuals country of residence. So while the law firm named may indeed be innocent IN PANAMA the countries in which the customers live probably have a very dim view of their citizens transacting illegal business in Panama.
 

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