RSoxNo1
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Disney is a business and the parks are feeling more and more manufactured every day.
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The Spirited 11th Hour ...
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Phil12
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Well I've got to admit, I've followed the Spirit posts on multiple Disney websites for many years. He is a very entertaining writer and he knows precisely the rumors to spread in order to rile up the Disney fan community. I tend to view his threads as the professional wrestling of Disney information. We all know it's phony and the decisions are predetermined but it's fun to watch all the action. And just like professional wrestling, there are fans that have no idea and truly believe it's all on the up and up.
Half of the fun is watching as the loyal minions go through their conniptions as they react to unsubstantiated rumors and constantly worry about theme being broken at every turn.
It's all great entertainment in the true tradition of Haystacks Calhoun and Gorgeous George.
Half of the fun is watching as the loyal minions go through their conniptions as they react to unsubstantiated rumors and constantly worry about theme being broken at every turn.
It's all great entertainment in the true tradition of Haystacks Calhoun and Gorgeous George.
GoofGoof
Premium Member
If only this was true
...but we all know he's been right on way too many unfortunate things.
FigmentJedi
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Frozen has about as much in common with the original Snow Queen book as The Lion, The Witch and the Wardrobe does. You can't really play the "Hans Christian Anderson's legacy" card
Cesar R M
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wait a sec, what is that scene from?
also.. these rockets looks seriously like phalluses being sent into the bollocks of a giant rocket.. WHAT THE HELL AM I SEEING??
Cesar R M
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I liked Alice too, Oz was more like "the James Franco show with every girl of the book" and wasnt that fun.I actually like Alice
Cesar R M
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I think thats the point you're not getting.
Billions of earnings.. cost cuts eveywhere.
You mean how much money Nintendo did with following what the fans wanted?
Or going against the waters by releasing a more general public friendly WII while Playstation and Xbox were all bent on "BEST GRAPHICS EVAH!"?
You're funny. Because you're cherrypicking, then you contradict yourself in another post.. then you insult a member later on. Because it seems you're getting desperate to prove a point that you dont have.
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Cesar R M
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you lost instantly when you pulled the overused "... is a business" excuse.
you forgot to add "grab as much they can, eroding the foundation of the company for short term success then run away with a golden parachute when everything falls apart".
This is pretty prevalent in the Wall Street neoliberal capitalism.
By the way, in another thread I mentioned about how some groups pulled thousand of thousands of documents detailing a huge defrauding, tax evasion and illegal money laundering schemes called "the panama papers" .
Theres even mentions of how certain banks protected famous thiefs that stole huge valued stuff by erasing the tracks of the movements and using paper companies and fiscal paradises.
They even mention people like Messi (from Barcelona), Vladimir Putin (Russia) and a lot of politicians and big names. They even mention terrorist groups and drug lords.
Yet, it is untouched by Fox or CNN other big news who are very keen of this wall street neoliberal capitalism management.... I guess it hit too close to home for a lot of the executives in these companies.
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HauntedMansionFLA
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I liked Alice too and can't wait till the new movie comes out. I've always thought Tim Burton should have his own little area with the movies he has done for Disney. I thought Disney was going to do another Oz movie??????
Cesar R M
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Yet they build as slow as they can with Avatarland, New Fantasyland and Star Wars land.
What is your point?
They do it always based on economy limitations. not what the public wants.
Cesar R M
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one giant land with tons of stores, displays, shows and an epic ride.. vs one single ride.. go figure..
using that excuse. .why disney cruise line is so expensive?
I mean.. they seem to use the same "cheap labor" as other cruise companies
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Cosmic Commando
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Meh. I stopped listening to him when he said he was there on opening day in October 72.
Mike S
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So glad someone else caught that lol.Meh. I stopped listening to him when he said he was there on opening day in October 72.
Mike S
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I did see Oz but I don't really count that as a Disney remake considering the original was MGM. I just assumed it was Disney telling their own Oz story like how Universal is doing with Snow White etc.
Haven't had much time for MAGIC of late, and when I have it hasn't been on this thread ... but did some reading this weekend and felt this deserved a comment ... like a hearty thanks, especially since I know I owe you (and about 25 others here) a note.
Not going to add much more on the topic above. Frankly, I don't think I'm worthy of discussion when we're here to talk Disney, UNI and the entertainment business in general. Besides, my Spirited persona can be ... how to say it? ... Um ... a bit of a schmuck from time to time, which I am totally OK with because it gets the job done. And I don't put things out to simply stir the pot. I put reality out to stir the pot. Just like Disney has no plans for resort fees ... or adding GotG to its US ToT attractions ... or because $800 million really went into Shanghai Disneyland for added attractions and increased capacity ... or because none of the current massive property-wide cutbacks and upcharges and price increases have a thing to do with NGE being a financial flop and Shanghai being an endless money pit etc etc. I'd hate to say I'm always right because that wouldn't be true and would make me slightly less pompous than Robert A. Iger. But I'm right almost all the time. Just ask Angie!
Anyway, I have a few other thoughts but will put them in another post. I really just wanted to say thanks @flynnibus.
The more I see from WDW these days (DAK aside), the more depressed and disheartened I become. I don't know what Guests or fans think when they visit The Corpses of EPCOT Center and The Disney-MGM Studios. Truly.
When added to photo essays of what was River Country and vast swaths of trees removed whether so people can now see into Disney Springs from I-4 or so more timeshare can be added to the WL, what does it say?
To anyone who isn't a rabid Disney addict, BRAND advocate or apologist, they might think it looks like the place has been destroyed and that WDW is on the verge of bankruptcy and not more financially successful than at any point in its 44 year history.
How does one visit EPCOT and not wonder why the Seas looks like it hasn't been maintained since last century? How does one not notice how vast swaths of Future World are deader than some seedy strip centers on the wrong side of Sand Lake? How does one not notice how laughably out of date attractions like Ellen's Energy Adventure are? What makes people who aren't from Orlando and/or are Lifestylers/Bloggers/Podcasters etc feel a pull to return?
And the Studios? Really? George Kalogridis and Bob 'Chappie' Chapek don't laugh as people enter a park that now has a smaller footprint than it did 25 years ago when it was a cohesive product and offered more quality by far? Who 'produced' the most recent Star Wars clip show that Disney will proudly tout as a new attraction as Disney starts bulldozing for Toy Story Land, one of the weakest things it could have possibly cloned from its parks in Paris and Hong Kong? And putting BB-8 on the cover of the new maps? Ah, did you really do that just so all the OCD local fanbois could come out and hoard 156 copies that some are now selling on eBay?
This Disney is so far removed from what I grew up -- and, yes, became addicted to -- from the mid-70s to the late 90s. Just laughably lower quality and a lesser value in every conceivable way.
What exactly is the deal with DAK's RoL? Why can you not get anything from Disney beyond an Opening Date of April 22nd? They must have a whorefest scheduled. No one here has access to that internally? No one has dates and times? Disney expects you to know what you want for dinner on July 22nd and what time, but 18 days before a show is supposed to open it simply doesn't exist on any official schedules?! What kind of exceeding Guests expectations is that? Is it as big a secret as where that $800 million went in China ... or why that Austin dude came here to play PR for Disney after getting his 'exclusive' on the development of MM+? The only thing I know is DAK is blocked out for CM walk-ins for the last two weeks of April, yet the park is listed as closing at 6 p.m. every night. Labor schedules have to be made ... no one here works at DAK?
I don't agree with all the bravado and chest pumping I see from the UNI Wand Wavers. But they are doing so much more right with their inept management than Disney is doing with its own. The Kong attraction sounds really, really good ... and I am not a fan of the IP (although I loved the original attraction and would take it over the Mummy today). UNI keeps adding attractions to its parks and Disney keeps removing things and adding $150 EMHs (with most of the park shuttered) and cutting quality on cuts of beef while raising prices and you just get the same tired BS from fans. UNI adds great themed resorts, while Disney removes theming from its resorts and adds its own IP at the moderate levels and converts its deluxes (that it can't sell at $400-1000 a night because there aren't that many rubes with money who haven't visited before and want to) to timeshare.
Telling Disney that you won't visit anymore AFTER the next six trips you already booked and then Star Wars opening and then the 50th and ... oh yeah, what were we talking 'bout? You're going to keep up the very strange, dysfunctional, abusive, unhealthy relationship and then use Walt (who would probably toss around so many bad words that even @The Mom would kick his tush off this site when he sees what his name is used for today) as a reason. Hey, guess what? I'm willing to bet that the Dead Guy might HATE much of what you love about Disney ... from Olaf to Vader, from Hulk to building half complete theme parks all over the globe, from cruise ships to timeshares to tacky motels ... so leave him out of any discussion.
I sorta reached my breaking point with WDW around 2012-13 when I flat out realized that not only was UNI offering a far better product (although way too many screens and attractions that feel the same!), but in many ways so was Busch ... now SW. Visiting smaller operations from Knott's Berry Farm in the USA to Europa Park in Germany to Ocean Park in Hong Kong has only continued to drive home the point that Disney most certainly isn't the best, especially in FL, at much of anything any longer beyond whoring IP and franchises, controlling social media (hey, Cupcake ... how are YOU doin?) And a deal? Well, if you stay off property, if you have cast friends that will walk you in, have dinner with you at the few places the rubes stay away from so you can get 40% off etc. then yeah, WDW is absolutely still worth it. But paying for it at anything close to full price? I just don't fundamentally get what it is that so many people see at a resort that is so damn stale and neglected that adding a billion dollars worth of work to one park would be but a tiny dent in what needs to happen.
I was there in 1976 for America on Parade and the opening of the old swimming hole.
I was there in 1986 when The Living Seas was dedicated.
I was there in 1996 when the BW opened.
Hell, I was even there in 2006 when the Yeti opened minus disco.
What exactly has happened to WDW in the last 10 years? What has been added (don't give me a list, got one in my head)? Where is the substance? Where is the quality? Where is the value? I sure don't see it.
But let's all get excited because a new garage is being built at Disney Springs Mall ... or because Club Villain (foamhead party for the 32-year-olds!) exists ... or because you can now pay $249 for breakfast at Boma ...
Just amazed at the justifications I see ...
When added to photo essays of what was River Country and vast swaths of trees removed whether so people can now see into Disney Springs from I-4 or so more timeshare can be added to the WL, what does it say?
To anyone who isn't a rabid Disney addict, BRAND advocate or apologist, they might think it looks like the place has been destroyed and that WDW is on the verge of bankruptcy and not more financially successful than at any point in its 44 year history.
How does one visit EPCOT and not wonder why the Seas looks like it hasn't been maintained since last century? How does one not notice how vast swaths of Future World are deader than some seedy strip centers on the wrong side of Sand Lake? How does one not notice how laughably out of date attractions like Ellen's Energy Adventure are? What makes people who aren't from Orlando and/or are Lifestylers/Bloggers/Podcasters etc feel a pull to return?
And the Studios? Really? George Kalogridis and Bob 'Chappie' Chapek don't laugh as people enter a park that now has a smaller footprint than it did 25 years ago when it was a cohesive product and offered more quality by far? Who 'produced' the most recent Star Wars clip show that Disney will proudly tout as a new attraction as Disney starts bulldozing for Toy Story Land, one of the weakest things it could have possibly cloned from its parks in Paris and Hong Kong? And putting BB-8 on the cover of the new maps? Ah, did you really do that just so all the OCD local fanbois could come out and hoard 156 copies that some are now selling on eBay?
This Disney is so far removed from what I grew up -- and, yes, became addicted to -- from the mid-70s to the late 90s. Just laughably lower quality and a lesser value in every conceivable way.
What exactly is the deal with DAK's RoL? Why can you not get anything from Disney beyond an Opening Date of April 22nd? They must have a whorefest scheduled. No one here has access to that internally? No one has dates and times? Disney expects you to know what you want for dinner on July 22nd and what time, but 18 days before a show is supposed to open it simply doesn't exist on any official schedules?! What kind of exceeding Guests expectations is that? Is it as big a secret as where that $800 million went in China ... or why that Austin dude came here to play PR for Disney after getting his 'exclusive' on the development of MM+? The only thing I know is DAK is blocked out for CM walk-ins for the last two weeks of April, yet the park is listed as closing at 6 p.m. every night. Labor schedules have to be made ... no one here works at DAK?
I don't agree with all the bravado and chest pumping I see from the UNI Wand Wavers. But they are doing so much more right with their inept management than Disney is doing with its own. The Kong attraction sounds really, really good ... and I am not a fan of the IP (although I loved the original attraction and would take it over the Mummy today). UNI keeps adding attractions to its parks and Disney keeps removing things and adding $150 EMHs (with most of the park shuttered) and cutting quality on cuts of beef while raising prices and you just get the same tired BS from fans. UNI adds great themed resorts, while Disney removes theming from its resorts and adds its own IP at the moderate levels and converts its deluxes (that it can't sell at $400-1000 a night because there aren't that many rubes with money who haven't visited before and want to) to timeshare.
Telling Disney that you won't visit anymore AFTER the next six trips you already booked and then Star Wars opening and then the 50th and ... oh yeah, what were we talking 'bout? You're going to keep up the very strange, dysfunctional, abusive, unhealthy relationship and then use Walt (who would probably toss around so many bad words that even @The Mom would kick his tush off this site when he sees what his name is used for today) as a reason. Hey, guess what? I'm willing to bet that the Dead Guy might HATE much of what you love about Disney ... from Olaf to Vader, from Hulk to building half complete theme parks all over the globe, from cruise ships to timeshares to tacky motels ... so leave him out of any discussion.
I sorta reached my breaking point with WDW around 2012-13 when I flat out realized that not only was UNI offering a far better product (although way too many screens and attractions that feel the same!), but in many ways so was Busch ... now SW. Visiting smaller operations from Knott's Berry Farm in the USA to Europa Park in Germany to Ocean Park in Hong Kong has only continued to drive home the point that Disney most certainly isn't the best, especially in FL, at much of anything any longer beyond whoring IP and franchises, controlling social media (hey, Cupcake ... how are YOU doin?) And a deal? Well, if you stay off property, if you have cast friends that will walk you in, have dinner with you at the few places the rubes stay away from so you can get 40% off etc. then yeah, WDW is absolutely still worth it. But paying for it at anything close to full price? I just don't fundamentally get what it is that so many people see at a resort that is so damn stale and neglected that adding a billion dollars worth of work to one park would be but a tiny dent in what needs to happen.
I was there in 1976 for America on Parade and the opening of the old swimming hole.
I was there in 1986 when The Living Seas was dedicated.
I was there in 1996 when the BW opened.
Hell, I was even there in 2006 when the Yeti opened minus disco.
What exactly has happened to WDW in the last 10 years? What has been added (don't give me a list, got one in my head)? Where is the substance? Where is the quality? Where is the value? I sure don't see it.
But let's all get excited because a new garage is being built at Disney Springs Mall ... or because Club Villain (foamhead party for the 32-year-olds!) exists ... or because you can now pay $249 for breakfast at Boma ...
Just amazed at the justifications I see ...
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Spirited Cinematic Musings:
As great as Deadpool was, and it was (I haven't seen a dude so in love with himself like Ryan Reynolds was since ... when did I last look in the mirror?), I was sorta hoping Batman vs. Supes: Dawn of the DCU of 28 interconnected films might tank so we don't have such a glut of them. Clearly, the time will come. Clearly, it ain't now even if the critics don't like it ... I haven't seen it yet, but will at some point.
Was truly saddened to see Agents of Shield get picked up again. If only because I like to see the Marvel fans of post mid-2009 in pain.
Zootopia keeps humming right along ... another billion dollar franchise (yes, sequel talk is already all over Burbank) to add to the pile.
But Jungle Book ... now that has me excited. Love the story, love the original animated version, this one has Bill Murray and Christopher Walken. How can it be less than great?
Strong word from the left coast is that Star Wars films released around Christmas will be a regular deal. Disney thinks it can own the holidays every year with just one film.
As great as Deadpool was, and it was (I haven't seen a dude so in love with himself like Ryan Reynolds was since ... when did I last look in the mirror?), I was sorta hoping Batman vs. Supes: Dawn of the DCU of 28 interconnected films might tank so we don't have such a glut of them. Clearly, the time will come. Clearly, it ain't now even if the critics don't like it ... I haven't seen it yet, but will at some point.
Was truly saddened to see Agents of Shield get picked up again. If only because I like to see the Marvel fans of post mid-2009 in pain.
Zootopia keeps humming right along ... another billion dollar franchise (yes, sequel talk is already all over Burbank) to add to the pile.
But Jungle Book ... now that has me excited. Love the story, love the original animated version, this one has Bill Murray and Christopher Walken. How can it be less than great?
Strong word from the left coast is that Star Wars films released around Christmas will be a regular deal. Disney thinks it can own the holidays every year with just one film.
Marc Davis Fan
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To be fair, the Iger administration has been spending a lot on the parks, but the most urgent projects came first, and they were fixing DCA, HKDL, and WDSP. (And, more controversially, developing SDL in order for Disney not to be left out of China's theme park industry before the market is saturated, since HKDL was inadequate.) If it weren't for those, much of the billions spent on them could have (and I think likely would have) been spent on WDW's parks.
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