The Spirited 11th Hour ...

[The Empress Lilly]

I get it. But it's an evolution. What I'd give for one afternoon at RC or another ride on Toad. Hell, Bring back Skyway to Tomorrowland for a night... But if you told told my daughter they were tearing down Seven Dwarfs Mine Train to put in a "Submarine Ride"......(which was 20's original location..It wouldn't be good)

Yeah, we lost a lot of favorites. A lot of things have changed, but we gained some new favorites. If they Re-themed ToT it would stink for me..but it would probably better for my kids (they love it now anyways, but when G2 and likely G3 get released in theaters, what makes an imprint on kids Rod Sterling? or "Rocket Racoon"? It is a smart business decision )....If Rock N Roller Coaster became re-themed to "One Direction"...I'd get it. Look I'd give my right arm to see the Eagles play one more show...but sadly, now it will never happen. There's a new generation, and an evolution. People need to learn to not hold on to the past. It's fiscally irresponsible for them to do so.

Within one breath you say that
a) it is fiscally irresponsible to cling on to the past, if only for the children
b) your daughter loves Snow White's coaster, product of clinging on to a movie older than Bernie Sanders

 

[olie64]

Congrats

I can say from experience that it's really fun to be able to experience WDW through your kid's eyes. They don't notice all the little things we see and they don't have to pay the bill so the prices don't bug them either. It's almost as fun as experiencing it for the first time yourself. The one downside is you'll no longer be able to pass those meet and greets with long lines and laugh quietly to yourself at those suckers

I'm pretty sure WDW will be around for a long while, whether we will be able to afford I'm less certain.

I just use credit cards and put off paying them right along with my students loans, that i did not realize I would have to pay back some day

 

[GoofGoof]

unfortunately the "public" does not wants to wait for them to build a new e-ticket, and want it right now so this is what they think the 'public" wants. I'm guessing most of the general public would like this although I would hate it with a passion.

Park fans absolutely hate the idea. The general public probably wouldn't care so much.

They could easily pull a Star Wars and create a temporary meet and greet and exhibit area until the ride is done. There is a lot of unused space now in DHS with everything that's been shut down. The other issue is the ride would have to be shut down for 6 months to install the overlay. How can they justify closing one of the anchor rides of the park with so much else shut down?

 

["El Gran Magnifico"]

I have no issue with positive change or progress. Mine Train is superior to Snow White's Scary Adventure. I have a problem with change for the sake of change. I also have a problem with poorly thought out decisions that negatively impact the parks and could also be bad business decisions. If GoTG is allowed in WDW and you want it at DHS then why ruin a perfect ride by cramming in a cheap overlay. Build a brand new GoTG e-ticket. Literally half that park is soon going to be a construction site they can surely fit in GoTG somewhere. Instead they are looking at a quick and cheap overlay for both coasts. If GoTG is so popular that's a bad business decision. It's also ruining one of the top 5 most popular rides at WDW that's the icon of the park now. It's being considered because it's cheap and easy.

But that's the thing. The prevailing thought on change is totally subjective. For every 10 people that that thought Toad was a better ride than Winnie the Pooh (count me in that group)....There are an equal 10 that will say Pooh is better than Toad. (I use that example because they occupy/ied the same space).

When Frozen opens in EPCOT there will be a number of people who don't like it (maybe because of Malestrom, or the fact it is in EPCOT to begin with).....but the 8 year olds that now suddenly want to go to EPCOT....well

Now fast forward 15 years when Disney releases another IP revolving around Norway (speculative), and the announcement is made that Frozen is being closed to make room for this new IP's ride......Come back to this forum if it is still around and you can probably "copy and paste" some of the responses happening right now.

 

[olie64]

Park fans absolutely hate the idea. The general public probably wouldn't care so much.

They could easily pull a Star Wars and create a temporary meet and greet and exhibit area until the ride is done. There is a lot of unused space now in DHS with everything that's been shut down. The other issue is the ride would have to be shut down for 6 months to install the overlay. How can they justify closing one of the anchor rides of the park with so much else shut down.

I am with you 100% on this issue.

 

[GoofGoof]

But that's the thing. The prevailing thought on change is totally subjective. For every 10 people that that thought Toad was a better ride than Winnie the Pooh (count me in that group)....There are an equal 10 that will say Pooh is better than Toad. (I use that example because they occupy/ied the same space).

When Frozen opens in EPCOT there will be a number of people who don't like it (maybe because of Malestrom, or the fact it is in EPCOT to begin with).....but the 8 year olds that now suddenly want to go to EPCOT....well

Now fast forward 15 years when Disney releases another IP revolving around Norway (speculative), and the announcement is made that Frozen is being closed to make room for this new IP's ride......Come back to this forum if it is still around and you can probably "copy and paste" some of the responses happening right now.

Pooh wasn't really a better ride it was just a different theme with pretty much the same ride. If we got the higher end version of Pooh with the trackless ride system it would have been an upgrade. Toad had some nostalgia factor to it as well.

The problem most people here see with Frozen in Norway is that it doesn't belong in WS. It's a cheap and quick way to get a Frozen attraction open ASAP. Ask yourself this question if Norway never had a boat ride would Disney likely want to add one to Norway and theme it to Frozen? Unlikely. There are better places for it and probably better ride systems too. The main reason it's happening is to save money and time.

 

["El Gran Magnifico"]

Within one breath you say that
a) it is fiscally irresponsible to cling on to the past, if only for the children
b) your daughter loves Snow White's coaster, product of clinging on to a movie older than Bernie Sanders

I want whatever it is you're smoking.

1. Do your kids play Atari? How about Sega? No? So, yes it is fiscally irresponsible to hang on to the past. Just think about that tonight as you drive to Blockbuster Video to rent your movie.
2. Seven Dwarfs Mine Train hasn't even celebrated it's 2nd Anniversary....Bernie Sanders is 74. Please explain the correlation...unless you are thinking about taxing 7 year olds by 90%

 

[olie64]

I want whatever it is you're smoking.

1. Do your kids play Atari? How about Sega? No? So, yes it is fiscally irresponsible to hang on to the past. Just think about that tonight as you drive to Blockbuster Video to rent your movie.
2. Seven Dwarfs Mine Train hasn't even celebrated it's 2nd Anniversary....Bernie Sanders is 74. Please explain the correlation...unless you are thinking about taxing 7 year olds by 90%

I think a better one would be would:

Do you know who Mario or zelda or Pokemon is. "old" games but Nintendo is still making new games based on old characters.

 

[thehowiet]

I want whatever it is you're smoking.

1. Do your kids play Atari? How about Sega? No? So, yes it is fiscally irresponsible to hang on to the past. Just think about that tonight as you drive to Blockbuster Video to rent your movie.
2. Seven Dwarfs Mine Train hasn't even celebrated it's 2nd Anniversary....Bernie Sanders is 74. Please explain the correlation...unless you are thinking about taxing 7 year olds by 90%

This just keeps getting better and better.

 

["El Gran Magnifico"]

I think a better one would be would:

Do you know who Mario or zelda or Pokemon is. "old" games but Nintendo is still making new games based on old characters.

But they're new games right? New marketing campaigns? New platforms? Nothing wrong with that. George Reeves played Superman in the 50's....what was the highest grossing movie this week? (Yeah, I'll give the Bat some credit). But if Superman was a character that was only known for the comic book that debuted in the late 30's and TV series that had it's run in the 50's, he wouldn't have quite the apeal he does today.

 

[Kate F]

2. Seven Dwarfs Mine Train hasn't even celebrated it's 2nd Anniversary....Bernie Sanders is 74. Please explain the correlation...unless you are thinking about taxing 7 year olds by 90%

7DMT is based off of Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs, which is a 78 year old movie.

 

[GoofGoof]

I want whatever it is you're smoking.

1. Do your kids play Atari? How about Sega? No? So, yes it is fiscally irresponsible to hang on to the past. Just think about that tonight as you drive to Blockbuster Video to rent your movie.
2. Seven Dwarfs Mine Train hasn't even celebrated it's 2nd Anniversary....Bernie Sanders is 74. Please explain the correlation...unless you are thinking about taxing 7 year olds by 90%

Nostalgia is one of the best selling features at WDW. They bank huge amounts of cash hanging onto the past.

 

["El Gran Magnifico"]

7DMT is based off of Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs, which is a 78 year old movie.

The Ride is less than 2 years old.....and has been marketed by Disney

 

[MuteSuperstar]

You know what also bugs me equally as much? People always complaining about people saying "Disney is a business".

Fair enough. I am pretty vehement on this subject, I will admit. I just think it's a very short-sighted and largely irrelevant defense. No one is disputing that WDW exists for one reason only, as it always has--to make money. But there was always a balance between providing creative genius/excellent, outstanding (in the true sense) service, and making a nice profit. A lot of us feel the balance is getting lost and is tipping badly in the wrong direction, as we have seen all too often over the last 10-15 years at other huge companies. Disney managed the balance so beautifully for so long. Some of us are just alarmed to see that changing in pretty clear ways, because we love the place.

 

[The Empress Lilly]

7DMT is based off of Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs, which is a 78 year old movie.

You'd think the point was obvious, right?

 

[MuteSuperstar]

The bottom line is that, as always at WDW, there is (or SHOULD be) a place for the old, and a place for the new. As Walt said, it was to always be changing. Just make smart changes, changes that respect the history and make good sense fiscally and creatively. It wasn't so hard in the past, why is it seemingly so hard now? I have my theories but it's just banging on our benevolent executive heroes again, so I'll leave it at that.

I personally don't think 7DMT comes close to measuring up to the standards of the past, especially considering the glacial construction pace, but that's fine. It was still a good addition. I would have preferred the dark ride AND the mine train to coexist, but it's an acceptable change nonetheless. Just disappointing to me personally, in terms of the actual substance or lack thereof on the ride. Add in such sad nonsense as the "Pixar Short Film Festival" and "Star Wars Launch Bay Theater" listed as actual attractions at the biggest, most successful tourist destination on the planet, and I'm sorry, it just is very frustrating to see.

 

[Phil12]

You'd think the point was obvious, right?

Not really because the movie was based upon the story published by the Brothers Grimm in 1812. And Walt chose it because the IP was free!

 

["El Gran Magnifico"]

You'd think the point was obvious, right?

No the point is not obvious...when Disney spends millions of dollars building out Fantasyland.....Spends a couple million building a new ride around the Dwarfs and heavily markets it on Disney Channel and Disney Jr. To a kid, guess what? It's something new.

You can revel in your 78 year old book all you want...but then let's take into account that Snow Queen (which is what Frozen is based on...read the book...which you probably haven't) was published a 172 years ago. Now to an 8 year old ask them...Is Frozen a New Movie. Keep living in Never Never Land. Maybe Pan will come visit you soon.

 

[MuteSuperstar]

Without that 78 year old movie, Disney would be a business that did not exist. Its success saved the company. Just because an 8 year old doesn't know that doesn't mean it's not important.

 

[olie64]

Without that 78 year old movie, Disney would be a business that did not exist. Its success saved the company. Just because an 8 year old doesn't know that doesn't mean it's not important.

Which could be the reason they made a new ride about it to merge old with new? Or would that be giving them to much credit? (Actual question)