The Spirited 11th Hour ...

[MuteSuperstar]

You do. not. get. it. though, to bad. Try and keep your boiling blood under control. A person could hurt themselves with that much stress.

Blood boiling about theme parks on a message board does not equal real life blood boiling. I should have made that clear. You are correct, no strong opinions will change anything. You are obviously mostly fine with the creative and customer service direction of the WDW parks. The twain will never meet on this subject..we simply are at opposite ends on this one. And that's a-ok.

 

[olie64]

As once if the youth nothing he said was incorrect. I think sometime people forget that the "youth" are the ones with the potential to be Disney 50-60 years long consumers and we starting families so why wouldn't they bring in something to bring them in. I against the ToT-overlay by the way. I am a historian so I'm not the run on the mill 20 something, I love the history of WDW but it has to evolve some. Where that's at I think there will always be disagreement but that cause everyone has different thoughts on what's important etc

 

["El Gran Magnifico"]

Careful, he might sting you.

Nah.. I'll only "sting" if someone has at least the basis of a thought out position. Well, that and at least a semblance of some (any) type of factual data. Haven't found that yet. So far all I've found is "stupendous"

 

[thehowiet]

Careful, he might sting you.

I don't know, Mike. I'm starting to like this one. Think we can keep him? Please?

 

[thehowiet]

Nah.. I'll only "sting" if someone has at least the basis of a thought out position. Well, that and at least a semblance of some (any) type of factual data. Haven't found that yet. So far all I've found is "stupendous"

Don't forget my offer of a free hug.

 

[No Name]

1. And? They have a money making IP and have chosen to build an attraction around it in a park. Frozen is a story based on a Norwegian tale....they are putting in Norway.......What?.... Is it because the the park they are putting it in doesn't suit your taste? Sorry. Please explain...where is the problem?

I do not like your attitude as much as you do not like Spirit's. And I diagree with many of your opinions, and perhaps I should not be jumping into this, but I want to at least try to explain why what you said here is so off. You are asking for an explanation and I shall give you one.

Frozen is a very popular movie, no doubt. There's absolutely nothing wrong with building an attraction around it. However, it's in the wrong place. The movie doesn't explore any Norwegian history, tales, myths, culture, or really anything at all. Other than the ice chopping dudes and maybe the trolls. And the fact that Norway can be very cold. But for the small amount of Norwegian culture that's in the movie, there is an equal or greater amount of detracting factors, such as the marshmallow monster and talking snowman, which add to the movie but are certainly not Norwegian inspired. The movie takes place in a fictional country called Arendelle, but even regardless of that, the Norwegianness is very light.

But the real problem, the crux of the issue, is that the storyline has nothing to do with Norway. It is of a conflict of emotions between two sisters and a town, something that could've taken place in America or Mexico or Australia or you name it. While the setting and characters have some Norwegian inspiration, the story does not. I'd be fine if the Frozen ride will focus on or do anything to explore the country of the pavillion in which it is housed. However, it looks like it'll just be non-Norwegian inspired songs with a few vaguely Norwegian inspired characters and settings.

I'm not completely against movies and characters in the parks, even in Epcot. They just have to make sense it that location. For example, Inside Out would make an excellent Epcot ride. The movie is about the brain and emotions, a theme/topic that fits very well with the whole idea of future world. It would fit well because of the story. Not because it happens to be a very colorful movie, and some pavilions are colorful too. That is the difference.

 

[the.dreamfinder]

I do not like your attitude as much as you do not like Spirit's. And I diagree with many of your opinions, and perhaps I should not be jumping into this, but I want to at least try to explain why what you said here is so off. You are asking for an explanation and I shall attempt one.

Frozen is a very popular movie, no doubt. There's absolutely nothing wrong with building an attraction around it. However, the movie doesn't explore any Norwegian history, tales, myths, culture, or really anything at all. Other than the ice chopping dudes and maybe the trolls. And the fact that Norway can be very cold. But for the small amount of Norwegian culture that's in the movie, there is an equal or greater amount of detracting factors, such as the marshmallow monster and talking snowman, which add to the movie but are certainly not Norwegian inspired. The movie takes place in a fictional country called Arendelle, but even regardless of that, the Norwegianness is very light.

But the real problem, the crux of the issue, is that the storyline has nothing to do with Norway. It is of a conflict of emotions between two sisters and a town, something that could've taken place in America or Mexico or Australia or you name it. While the setting and characters have some Norwegian inspiration, the story does not. I'd be fine if the Frozen ride will focus on or do anything to explore the country of the pavillion in which it is housed. However, it looks like it'll just be non-Norwegian inspired songs with a few vaguely Norwegian inspired characters and settings.

I'm not against movies and characters in the parks, even in Epcot. They just have to make sense it that location. For example, Inside Out would make an excellent Epcot ride. The movie is about the brain and emotions, a theme/topic that fits very well with the whole idea of future world. It would fit well because of the story. Not because it happens to be a very colorful movie, and some pavilions are colorful too. That is the difference.

And when you don't shoehorn a successful IP into a place where it doesn't belong, you get this.

 

[olie64]

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And when you don't shoehorn a successful IP into a place where it doesn't belong, you get this.
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That looks awesome. Serious question, who puts up the money to build that? Is TDL owned by a third party?

 

[Mike S]

And when you don't shoehorn a successful IP into a place where it doesn't belong, you get this.
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Have they even started construction yet? Can't wait to watch videos.

 

[thehowiet]

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That looks awesome. Serious question, who puts up the money to build that? Is TDL owned by a third party?

The Oriental Land Company owns TDL through a licensing agreement with The Walt Disney Company. OLC funds those expenditures.

 

[olie64]

The Oriental Land Company owns TDL through a licensing agreement with The Walt Disney Company. OLC funds those expenditures.

Thanks for the information. I still regret not going there my senior year of college.

 

[FigmentForver96]

I do not like your attitude as much as you do not like Spirit's. And I diagree with many of your opinions, and perhaps I should not be jumping into this, but I want to at least try to explain why what you said here is so off. You are asking for an explanation and I shall give you one.

Frozen is a very popular movie, no doubt. There's absolutely nothing wrong with building an attraction around it. However, it's in the wrong place. The movie doesn't explore any Norwegian history, tales, myths, culture, or really anything at all. Other than the ice chopping dudes and maybe the trolls. And the fact that Norway can be very cold. But for the small amount of Norwegian culture that's in the movie, there is an equal or greater amount of detracting factors, such as the marshmallow monster and talking snowman, which add to the movie but are certainly not Norwegian inspired. The movie takes place in a fictional country called Arendelle, but even regardless of that, the Norwegianness is very light.

But the real problem, the crux of the issue, is that the storyline has nothing to do with Norway. It is of a conflict of emotions between two sisters and a town, something that could've taken place in America or Mexico or Australia or you name it. While the setting and characters have some Norwegian inspiration, the story does not. I'd be fine if the Frozen ride will focus on or do anything to explore the country of the pavillion in which it is housed. However, it looks like it'll just be non-Norwegian inspired songs with a few vaguely Norwegian inspired characters and settings.

I'm not completely against movies and characters in the parks, even in Epcot. They just have to make sense it that location. For example, Inside Out would make an excellent Epcot ride. The movie is about the brain and emotions, a theme/topic that fits very well with the whole idea of future world. It would fit well because of the story. Not because it happens to be a very colorful movie, and some pavilions are colorful too. That is the difference.

Could not agree with this more, and this is not even the worst part. I could forgive all of the stuff they are doing to Norway, ALL OF IT, but the mere fact that they have even CONSIDERED seriously taking one of the crown jewels of WDI and overlaying it with a more current IP is infuriating. (Speaking of Tower here) Its not even the IP that is the problem. I love the movie, I personally think it is one of the better Marvel films. The thing is the ride is worth more than an overlay of an attraction. What is worse, is the attraction they want to overlay is one of the most popular rides in the park and the theme does not fit at all. I just want someone to explain to me how it is ok for a futuristic Guardians of the Galaxy to blend with 1930's Hollywood....if someone can give me a completely rational answer...I will listen to what they have to say. Yet, I am almost certain they can not do it....anyway rant over...that went way to left field.

 

[Andrew_Ryan]

And when you don't shoehorn a successful IP into a place where it doesn't belong, you get this.
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Doesn't the OLC know they are a business? Clearly they should have done an overlay to an existing attraction to save some cash, right?

But seriously, the top grossing animated film of all time gets an overlay of an existing ride that won't be able to handle the crowds it will attract, in addition to doing nothing to expand capacity in the park. That was a bad move.

 

[BrerJon]

The arguments of people who say 'Disney is a business' are rubbish because other businesses that do the things we *want* TWDC to do, make even *more* money than the penny pinching cost cutters in the long run.

Perhaps the excuse shouldn't be 'but Disney is a business', but instead defenders should say 'but Disney is a badly run business...'

 

[Wikkler]

Because I actually sleep I guess I have to catch up with this thread.

And also the last show at WDW where you could hear Wayne Allwine's voice as Mickey and the last place to notice it.

PhilharMagic.

 

[Disneyhead'71]

I know "Disney is a Business", that is why I am anxiously awaiting the Finding Dory overlay of The Haunted Mansion. Seriously, the HM doesn't even have a marketable IP. And I'm sure Finding Dory will sell a lot more swag than those 99 old ghosts.

And Jungle Criuse is ripe for a Star Wars do over. And Zootopia is selling a lot more stuff than Hall of Presidents. And it's a shame Tomorrowland didn't do well, there is a spot in the MK that is perfect for a Tomorrowland show. The Diamond Horseshoe!

 

[Wikkler]

Hmm. This railroad's getting kinda rusty.

Spoiler

OH NO, TRAIN WRECK!!!!!

Ok..So Have to ask. What is the deal with the OP. It appears he has some sort of demi-god status on this board yet every post seems to be how "he knows people", "has the inside info" on all things Disney, but usually all that info is centered around the negatives. Ok Spirit, you know people, congratulations. I was close with Fouche (retired), and have been to 220 numerous times. I may not have your upper echelon of Disney friends...but high enough for me.

I've struggled to find a remotely positive post authored by you....(unless you want to count the "Disney Spin" post .....that's a sarcastic statement by the way). You spout a generally negative attitude towards high level execs and mid-level for that matter. I've learned to not even go to a post you have authored due to the negative spin put on things. And I really don't care to sift through posts to figure out what your backstory is... So I pose...What's the deal?

I get it......you know that Brad in Imagineering has been doing a terrible job and that Vince is making a Power Play to take over, and Vicki the VP of Operations is dating Danny, who is Iger's 2nd cousin's former next door neighbor, who has a son named Billy who works on parking detail at AK, and he is about to get promoted to run concessions in Shanghai....

That is literally the context of your posts....(ok I maybe stretching a little... but it contributes to the headache I get reading them).

I've been going to Disney since October of 72 (yes, was there opening day..and have been going several times a year since). Disney isn't broken (sure they could do things better...but broken they're not). Disney is making money and they have been making money despite your posts touting how everything is a mess. Disney is thriving just fine without you (possibly in spite of you). If you want to pen a soap opera, fine...sell it to A&E.

Um have you been reading anything? Let me name a few recent things just to save time

Disney is taking a popular IP and shoving it into an Epcot country it does not belong.

They are seriously conserving ruining one of the BEST rides ever made by Disney with Marvel.

They are doing cutback after cutback to save money because of Shangahi overund.

They are creating stupidly overpriced events and special parties to make a buck.

Food quality is down

Ride repair is down

Should I keep going...???

Spirit had kept people in the loop and yes it's somewhat because the actions are negative. What should he be saying?

1. And? They have a money making IP and have chosen to build an attraction around it in a park. Frozen is a story based on a Norwegian tale....they are putting in Norway.......What?.... Is it because the the park they are putting it in doesn't suit your taste? Sorry. Please explain...where is the problem?

2. Not exactly sure what you are talking about here. There are a heck of a lot of posts here with the opinion Marvel in Orlando would make WDW better.....please expand.

3. Please name one cutback due to Shanghai that has personally affected you......thought so.

4. Overpriced in who's eyes...the people that have paid for tickets? What you feel is overpriced is completely subjective.

5. VA is still a 5 star restuarant is it not? There are many quality dinning options in WDW. Care to elaborate on your point?

6. Which ride?

Yes...Please keep going.....

1. In case you hadn't noticed, Frozen took place in Arendelle. While based on a Norwegian tale/location, it is in fact FICTIONAL. Yet they continue to be building this in a NON-FICTIONAL location. That is the major rub. World Showcase is full of ACTUAL locations and consists of educational and entertainment from actual locations. Fictional stories and locations SHOULD NOT be finding there way here. There are much better places this should be. Hollywood Studios and Fantasyland for example.

2. They are talking about rethemeing the Tower of Terror to Guardians of the Galaxy. Here's the link to that post. But it was once again started by your favorite poster in Mr. 1974. http://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads/marvel-coming-to-wdw.911512/

3. Parade and fireworks FastPass areas for one.

4. $150 for three hours or $79 for one hour of park time is very overpriced. No matter who you are.

5. Won't expand on this one. The food is good enough for me. Which might not say much about my palate...

6. Name one.

1. Ok. We'll stop there.

2. I'm not in favor of it...but how many 10 year olds relate to a 1960's TV show? Do you want to continue? Disney is a Business. They can market Groot a lot better than they can Rod Sterling. Interested to hear your take.

3. Are park visitors now not allowed to watch parades or fireworks? Or are you you referring to the fact that people must show up early if they want a good seat?

4. Completely subjective. What is expensive for one is a bargain for another.

5. We agree...food is acceptable

6. Name what?

From your post a few back I thought you were an old "friend" long banned from these boards. Assuming that's not the case I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

You are making it out like there are only the 2 extremes of either everything is perfect or WDW is crumbling. If you follow the conversations here long enough you will see that most people fall somewhere in the middle. When someone points out issues with the Yeti (which should work but still doesn't) or the issues with Splash Mountain (which were extensive before the major overhaul) they aren't saying the rides are a total waste. They still enjoy those rides and the parks in general but they are acknowledging that there are issues. Just because I had fun riding EE doesn't mean I can't or shouldn't be annoyed that the Yeti is busted still.

Most people here don't expect perfection, but they expect something pretty close. Forget about comparing WDW to Uni, you can blame Disney for this mentality. WDW was something close to perfect in the past and the people who experienced it will always compare the present to those times. I will be the first to admit that maybe my views of the past are a bit rose colored, maybe there were more issues that I just don't remember or chose to ignore, maybe I was a little more hooked on the pixie dust back then too, but there are well documented discussions here about real issues that didn't exist in the past that do now and prices keep rising. If the only issue was the Yeti or broken ride effects on Splash Mountain I would be with you saying people are being petty, but there are a list of issues. You just happened to pick a few examples.

By the way, since you brought up perfection, one of the best rides at WDW which is pretty darn close to perfect is ToT. The ride that they are considering adding a cheap Guardians of the Galxy overlay to. As far as Frozen Maelstrom goes you can skim that thread on why people don't like that idea, but the basic summary is it doesn't fit in WS at Epcot and Frozen is a big enough hit that it deserves something better.

1. You're doing yourself a disservice by allowing yourself to think that Frozen belongs where they are putting it.

2. I absolutely loved Guardians. One of my favorite movies. The humor was on point and the movie itself was good. Looking forward to the sequel. BUT...Tower of Terror is PERFECT. While the IP is old and not everyone relates to it, it belongs to that ride. It just sets it up so perfectly and it should not be changed. While I understand the business aspect, this is one ride I would agree should not be changed.

3. You asked for an example how they are affecting us. This was an example. They are removing the staff from manning the Fast Pass areas. I don't care. I'll just grab a seat on the Main Street curb. But this is an example.

The Middle is fine. People here seem to go extremes. It's either Disney is falling apart OR Disney is wonderful. I have been going since opening (almost 44 years)......I can agree with middle. Disney does things I like....Disney does things I don't like....But there hasn't been 1 thing Disney has done that has made me say "I'm not going". Sure I always say this could have been better or that could have been better...but never "OMG because this animatronic wasn't working it ruined my entire trip".......I'll leave those kind of statements to the millennials (which here, there seem to be a lot of)

Disney being a business is not disputed and also not relevant to the discussion.

You would be surprised how many people here are in the same boat as you. Just because someone criticizes something doesn't mean it ruined their trip. It's OK to be critical but still enjoy something. I've been a Philly sports fan my whole life. We've made an art of being critical of the teams we love.

Ironically, Spirit and some others here think the exact opposite thing about the crowd of newer WDW fans. They haven't experienced how good things were so they don't miss it.

I get it. But it's an evolution. What I'd give for one afternoon at RC or another ride on Toad. Hell, Bring back Skyway to Tomorrowland for a night... But if you told told my daughter they were tearing down Seven Dwarfs Mine Train to put in a "Submarine Ride"......(which was 20's original location..It wouldn't be good)

Yeah, we lost a lot of favorites. A lot of things have changed, but we gained some new favorites. If they Re-themed ToT it would stink for me..but it would probably better for my kids (they love it now anyways, but when G2 and likely G3 get released in theaters, what makes an imprint on kids Rod Sterling? or "Rocket Racoon"? It is a smart business decision )....If Rock N Roller Coaster became re-themed to "One Direction"...I'd get it. Look I'd give my right arm to see the Eagles play one more show...but sadly, now it will never happen. There's a new generation, and an evolution. People need to learn to not hold on to the past. It's fiscally irresponsible for them to do so.

A broken effect doesn't ruin my trip. It's a blip at most but sadly they do pile up across multiple attractions. Moves like Frostrom and Guardians of the Tower of Terror however do ruin my future enjoyment.

Let me also put this out there: the "Disney is a business" and can do whatever to make money mentality got so bad at Disneyland once that guests died because of poor maintenance.

You obviously don't really understand if you think they need to stay current with NOW. That can kill a business too. But no need to argue because you won't get it either way.

Building a new ride for Gaurdians would please your kids just as much maybe even more because it could be done better than just shoving it in Tower of Terror.

Edit to add: from all the times I've ridden kids seem to love Tower of Terror. You don't need the most current and hottest IP to make an amazing attraction.

No. They don't need to stay current with NOW. Hence Avatarland considering 2 movies scheduled to be released and SW with 5 movies to be released. They aren't skating to where the puck is NOW....they are skating to where the puck will be in the future....Problem is...most here feel any change is bad.

I have no issue with positive change or progress. Mine Train is superior to Snow White's Scary Adventure. I have a problem with change for the sake of change. I also have a problem with poorly thought out decisions that negatively impact the parks and could also be bad business decisions. If GoTG is allowed in WDW and you want it at DHS then why ruin a perfect ride by cramming in a cheap overlay. Build a brand new GoTG e-ticket. Literally half that park is soon going to be a construction site they can surely fit in GoTG somewhere. Instead they are looking at a quick and cheap overlay for both coasts. If GoTG is so popular that's a bad business decision. It's also ruining one of the top 5 most popular rides at WDW that's the icon of the park now. It's being considered because it's cheap and easy.

But that's the thing. The prevailing thought on change is totally subjective. For every 10 people that that thought Toad was a better ride than Winnie the Pooh (count me in that group)....There are an equal 10 that will say Pooh is better than Toad. (I use that example because they occupy/ied the same space).

When Frozen opens in EPCOT there will be a number of people who don't like it (maybe because of Malestrom, or the fact it is in EPCOT to begin with).....but the 8 year olds that now suddenly want to go to EPCOT....well

Now fast forward 15 years when Disney releases another IP revolving around Norway (speculative), and the announcement is made that Frozen is being closed to make room for this new IP's ride......Come back to this forum if it is still around and you can probably "copy and paste" some of the responses happening right now.

Pooh wasn't really a better ride it was just a different theme with pretty much the same ride. If we got the higher end version of Pooh with the trackless ride system it would have been an upgrade. Toad had some nostalgia factor to it as well.

The problem most people here see with Frozen in Norway is that it doesn't belong in WS. It's a cheap and quick way to get a Frozen attraction open ASAP. Ask yourself this question if Norway never had a boat ride would Disney likely want to add one to Norway and theme it to Frozen? Unlikely. There are better places for it and probably better ride systems too. The main reason it's happening is to save money and time.

I want whatever it is you're smoking.

1. Do your kids play Atari? How about Sega? No? So, yes it is fiscally irresponsible to hang on to the past. Just think about that tonight as you drive to Blockbuster Video to rent your movie.
2. Seven Dwarfs Mine Train hasn't even celebrated it's 2nd Anniversary....Bernie Sanders is 74. Please explain the correlation...unless you are thinking about taxing 7 year olds by 90%

I think a better one would be would:

Do you know who Mario or zelda or Pokemon is. "old" games but Nintendo is still making new games based on old characters.

But they're new games right? New marketing campaigns? New platforms? Nothing wrong with that. George Reeves played Superman in the 50's....what was the highest grossing movie this week? (Yeah, I'll give the Bat some credit). But if Superman was a character that was only known for the comic book that debuted in the late 30's and TV series that had it's run in the 50's, he wouldn't have quite the apeal he does today.

7DMT is based off of Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs, which is a 78 year old movie.

Fair enough. I am pretty vehement on this subject, I will admit. I just think it's a very short-sighted and largely irrelevant defense. No one is disputing that WDW exists for one reason only, as it always has--to make money. But there was always a balance between providing creative genius/excellent, outstanding (in the true sense) service, and making a nice profit. A lot of us feel the balance is getting lost and is tipping badly in the wrong direction, as we have seen all too often over the last 10-15 years at other huge companies. Disney managed the balance so beautifully for so long. Some of us are just alarmed to see that changing in pretty clear ways, because we love the place.

You'd think the point was obvious, right?

The bottom line is that, as always at WDW, there is (or SHOULD be) a place for the old, and a place for the new. As Walt said, it was to always be changing. Just make smart changes, changes that respect the history and make good sense fiscally and creatively. It wasn't so hard in the past, why is it seemingly so hard now? I have my theories but it's just banging on our benevolent executive heroes again, so I'll leave it at that.

I personally don't think 7DMT comes close to measuring up to the standards of the past, especially considering the glacial construction pace, but that's fine. It was still a good addition. I would have preferred the dark ride AND the mine train to coexist, but it's an acceptable change nonetheless. Just disappointing to me personally, in terms of the actual substance or lack thereof on the ride. Add in such sad nonsense as the "Pixar Short Film Festival" and "Star Wars Launch Bay Theater" listed as actual attractions at the biggest, most successful tourist destination on the planet, and I'm sorry, it just is very frustrating to see.

Without that 78 year old movie, Disney would be a business that did not exist. Its success saved the company. Just because an 8 year old doesn't know that doesn't mean it's not important.

No the point is not obvious...when Disney spends millions of dollars building out Fantasyland.....Spends a couple million building a new ride around the Dwarfs and heavily markets it on Disney Channel and Disney Jr. To a kid, guess what? It's something new.

You can revel in your 78 year old book all you want...but then let's take into account that Snow Queen (which is what Frozen is based on...read the book...which you probably haven't) was published a 172 years ago. Now to an 8 year old ask them...Is Frozen a New Movie. Keep living in Never Never Land. Maybe Pan will come visit you soon.

I'm really not sure what point(s) you are trying to make anymore.

Was it Spirit's schtick is too aggressive? So apparently has become yours.

Was it Millenials freak out and use too much hyperbole? You might want to revisit your recent stream of consciousness.

It's not that I don't think you may have had good points, but I am sick of reading overreactions (from either side of the Doom and Gloom or Pixie Dust Fence).

On the other hand, those of us that are aware that Disney is a business feel that the Pixie Dusted deniers are the ones that do. not. get. it. We understand that this is no longer Walt Disney's operation. That it relies on stockholders to finance the growth of what is indeed a company. A big impersonal company. We only have power via our wallets, but, collectively, we know that the place still provides a fun, unique place to be. Oh, we get it alright. We get that it is a different world now. We also realize that in spite of it being a world of fantasy, it sits right smack dab in the middle of the real world.

Will the way that the company is run eventually mean it's doom? Could be, but, exactly what power do you think we have over it. If you're rich perhaps you could buy the place and run it the way you feel it should be run, until then all the wringing of the hands that you can muster will not change anything. You do. not. get. it. though, to bad. Try and keep your boiling blood under control. A person could hurt themselves with that much stress.

Spirit's schtick was pure nonsense. Millenials although for the most part are irresponsible and lack any type of accountability...do not freak me out. I'm actually amused at their outlook on things. No revisiting necessary...thanks for asking.

You're quite the paradoxical individual, aren't you? One minute you're talking about how Disney needs to keep up with the times, the next minute you're disparaging our youth. Fascinating.

I'm not his biggest fan (mostly because of his boastful writing style and sometimes crystal clear agenda) but it's worth pointing out that @WDW1974 has brought positive news to this forum, and his track record is impeccable. Unfortunately the GOTG-ToT rumors and the uncertainty surrounding Shanghai have tipped the scales of late.

Prior to that, this place was buzzing with Star Wars and Toy Story news. Heck, many had even started to give Pandora a chance. It was nice while it lasted.

Reading comprehension is apparently not your forte. Disney, as all companies, individuals etc... need to evolve.

Millennials are the entitlement generation.

The two are not intertwined. There is no correlation of any significance between Disney as a Corporation and a millennial. The fact that you have made made a correlation between these two unrelated entities just screams out "it's all about me". Eventually you will realize...it's not.

Fascinating isn't it?

I do not like your attitude as much as you do not like Spirit's. And I diagree with many of your opinions, and perhaps I should not be jumping into this, but I want to at least try to explain why what you said here is so off. You are asking for an explanation and I shall give you one.

Frozen is a very popular movie, no doubt. There's absolutely nothing wrong with building an attraction around it. However, it's in the wrong place. The movie doesn't explore any Norwegian history, tales, myths, culture, or really anything at all. Other than the ice chopping dudes and maybe the trolls. And the fact that Norway can be very cold. But for the small amount of Norwegian culture that's in the movie, there is an equal or greater amount of detracting factors, such as the marshmallow monster and talking snowman, which add to the movie but are certainly not Norwegian inspired. The movie takes place in a fictional country called Arendelle, but even regardless of that, the Norwegianness is very light.

But the real problem, the crux of the issue, is that the storyline has nothing to do with Norway. It is of a conflict of emotions between two sisters and a town, something that could've taken place in America or Mexico or Australia or you name it. While the setting and characters have some Norwegian inspiration, the story does not. I'd be fine if the Frozen ride will focus on or do anything to explore the country of the pavillion in which it is housed. However, it looks like it'll just be non-Norwegian inspired songs with a few vaguely Norwegian inspired characters and settings.

I'm not completely against movies and characters in the parks, even in Epcot. They just have to make sense it that location. For example, Inside Out would make an excellent Epcot ride. The movie is about the brain and emotions, a theme/topic that fits very well with the whole idea of future world. It would fit well because of the story. Not because it happens to be a very colorful movie, and some pavilions are colorful too. That is the difference.

And when you don't shoehorn a successful IP into a place where it doesn't belong, you get this.
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Could not agree with this more, and this is not even the worst part. I could forgive all of the stuff they are doing to Norway, ALL OF IT, but the mere fact that they have even CONSIDERED seriously taking one of the crown jewels of WDI and overlaying it with a more current IP is infuriating. (Speaking of Tower here) Its not even the IP that is the problem. I love the movie, I personally think it is one of the better Marvel films. The thing is the ride is worth more than an overlay of an attraction. What is worse, is the attraction they want to overlay is one of the most popular rides in the park and the theme does not fit at all. I just want someone to explain to me how it is ok for a futuristic Guardians of the Galaxy to blend with 1930's Hollywood....if someone can give me a completely rational answer...I will listen to what they have to say. Yet, I am almost certain they can not do it....anyway rant over...that went way to left field.

 

[olie64]

Hey I made it in there with my Mario reference.. That post was awesome

 

[olie64]

Thanks @Wikkler for taking the time to put that all together. It was fun to watch unfold last night. Better then having to watch another hallmark movie with my wife

 

[Nubs70]

No. They don't need to stay current with NOW. Hence Avatarland considering 2 movies scheduled to be released and SW with 5 movies to be released. They aren't skating to where the puck is NOW....they are skating to where the puck will be in the future....Problem is...most here feel any change is bad.

But if you misjudge where the puck will be, you end up like this: