The Rock to Star in 20K Under the Sea

Buried20KLeague

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First, I wasn't just refering to the 20K franchise. I am theorizing that Disney waited to gauge the scope of the additions to SW and Uni and are now about to counter those if the wdwinsider is right. Disney has a very good idea of what Potterland is all about.

Second, the whole 20K franchise rumor can be seen as a different kettle of squid (sorry:eek:). I have read accounts that Iger has expressed interests in building "franchises" that are much broader in scope than the way Pirates and Cars, for instance, have been deployed. Basically, in theory, 20K would have designed into it's "origin story" the idea of it being at least a trilogy. And instead of waiting to perhaps roll it into other Disney entities, they will instead go "all in" and develop the franchise throughout all aspects of the Disney empire to really capitilize on it. Is it a gamble? Absolutely. Would it pay off if it works? Beyond imagination.

Now people might wonder what would happen if the movie fails. The beauty of it is the plug can be pulled at anytime. And even if you ended up with an expensive MI land at AK, well that would still pay for itself eventually, even if the franchise failed. So really it's not a big gamble in my opinion. Now if the franchise succeeds along the lines of Potter or Pirates, well then MI turns into a marketing dream. Not to mention for stockholders and fanboy and fangirls everywhere.

So putting the cart before the horse might just be what they have in mind. It's beautiful. It reminds me of Walt's gamble in building Disneyland.

Look, your enthusiasm is great. But I don't believe what you're suggesting is feasable.

Disney isn't a privately held company anymore like it was when he was trying to build Disneyland. 3 people in a room don't make the decisions anymore. There are shareholders to make happy. That's the bottom line. That's what they care about. That's what keeps them from making "risky" decisions. It's not part of what a publicly held company does. This is nothing new.

Disney hasn't made a "gamble" move in a LONG, LONG time. Heck, they didn't even take the risk to build resorts around the world on their own! They required government help on all of them! A "gamble" would have been to not buy Pixar, and instead convince the public (and their very scared shareholders) that they could create as good a product and didn't need Pixar. But they didn't. They bought Pixar at a CRAZY price. Because it was the safe move.

The potential risk of loss of capital is far too great for a company to overlook if the franchise isn't huge. It's far safer (FAR FAR SAFER) to find the hit, then stretch out its time in the spotlight with release of other projects (attractions, sequals, etc). There is NOTHING to indicate this process would change.

And you said you had read about Iger coming up with a broader franchise attack than Pirates and Cars??? HOLY CARP. Broader than THAT?!?!?!? I couldn't look ANYWHERE without seeing Pirates and Cars stuff. I practically was blowing my nose on Lightning McQueen Kleenex. I can't imagine any further brand saturation... And dilution all at the same time.

I asked before what the last attraction based on a hit movie was. You didn't point out any that I hadn't thought of. I thought the Pirates refurb was probably it (if you even count that) and before that, Nemo, which was years ago.

There is no reason to think they'll buck the trend.

Even Carsland is YEARS behind the release of the picture.

And like I said, I like your enthusiasm. But I've made a mental note not to put you in charge of any of my companies. :lookaroun :lol:
 

jt04

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Original Poster
Ummm, I didn't suggest it, Iger did.

The Pixar buyout wasn't a big gamble? Really?:lookaroun

The Cars and Pirates stuff came out in droves after the fact they were hits. Heck, Carsland hasn't even broken ground yet. That is the kind of "lead time" they want to remedy.

Iger is right though, it will work, and prove that he is a visionary whom the stockholders can have complete confidence.
 

stitch2008

Member
Okay everyone. Let's just sit back and see what happens with this film. Will Smith hasnt offically signed on to play Nemo. All we know is that McG wants him to play Nemo. That doesnt mean that Will Smith wants to play Nemo. This was reported a while ago and nothing has happened with it yet. I can compare this to the rumor that George Clonney is going to play the role of the Lone Ranger in the upcoming Disney/Bruckhiemer film. Lots of talk but no action. We'll have to see if Smith does sign on as McG finishes Terminator Salvation. There is talk that he's supposed to star in Men in Black 3 but its unknown when that will shoot. So lets give it time, and see who actually ends up playing Nemo.
 

jt04

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Okay everyone. Let's just sit back and see what happens with this film. Will Smith hasnt offically signed on to play Nemo. All we know is that McG wants him to play Nemo. That doesnt mean that Will Smith wants to play Nemo. This was reported a while ago and nothing has happened with it yet. I can compare this to the rumor that George Clonney is going to play the role of the Lone Ranger in the upcoming Disney/Bruckhiemer film. Lots of talk but no action. We'll have to see if Smith does sign on as McG finishes Terminator Salvation. There is talk that he's supposed to star in Men in Black 3 but its unknown when that will shoot. So lets give it time, and see who actually ends up playing Nemo.

I think Wil Smith is also a good choice. Usually I like when unknowns are cast but this is a franchise that needs a big star to bring the story to younger people. Afterall it's not based on a video game.........yet.

George Clooney as the Lone Ranger? Does anyone have a clue how many people won't go see his movies?! :hurl:
 

Lee

Adventurer
Maybe chuck norris can show up in a future sequel and get his neck snaped by captain nemo (played by vin diesel). The whole theather would cheer.
No...Diesel wouldn't stand a chance.
There is only one man with that kind of awesomeness...
jack.bauer.makes.chuck.norris.cry.JPG
 

Jasonflz

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dude no offense but this comes off as offensive and ignorant.

First of all, Captain Nemo is a rich rogue from India. He was constantly at odds with the british and muslims because of their treatment of his people and would launch what some may call terrorist attacks on there ships and facilities. This is how he earned his pirate reputation.

Second there is no such thing as "Isralean". I think you meant Isreali.

Third 20k was published in 1870 . There was no such thing as Isreal at the time.

Sorry. I didn't know I was 'racist'. I am literally 15 years old. Do you really think I knew when Israel was created or founded or whatever. I understand where you are coming from but please, keep all of free speech off the threads. :lol:
 

The Conundrum

New Member
Sorry. I didn't know I was 'racist'. I am literally 15 years old. Do you really think I knew when Israel was created or founded or whatever. I understand where you are coming from but please, keep all of free speech off the threads. :lol:

well now you know and knowing is half the battle! :)
 

jt04

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Original Poster
HUGE SPOILER ALERT:



Jack lives.
:cool:
:lol:

Anyhow....my vote for best Nemo idea so far: Naveen Andrews. Brilliant choice.

I just read Lost was somewhat inspired by MI. So it all goes full circle I guess. I agree he would be a good choice.
 

EpcotServo

Well-Known Member
Anyhow....my vote for best Nemo idea so far: Naveen Andrews. Brilliant choice.

I know! I mean, I hate lost and all, but he's PERFECT. Must-cast! Plus He kind of pulled off a mad genius in Planet Terror, for what it's worth.
:D

Seriously, I could see him pulling off the line "It could save the world...or destroy it." perfectly. No James Mason, but still perfect.
 

Buried20KLeague

Well-Known Member
Ummm, I didn't suggest it, Iger did.

The Pixar buyout wasn't a big gamble? Really?:lookaroun

The Cars and Pirates stuff came out in droves after the fact they were hits. Heck, Carsland hasn't even broken ground yet. That is the kind of "lead time" they want to remedy.

Iger is right though, it will work, and prove that he is a visionary whom the stockholders can have complete confidence.

I don't think the Pixar buy was a gamble at all. It was a known commodity... Revolutionary... Many hits under their belt... And ZERO box office failures.

The gamble would have been for Disney to not take on that $7 billion cost (allowing to turn faster and larger profits), and say "we don't need them, we'll do it on our own". But to that point, I think they had only released Chicken Little in CGI, correct? And that just didn't perform like any of the Pixar movies did. Then Bolt. Same thing. Disney knew Pixar was the safe bet. So did Pixar. That's why the cost was soooooooo high. It was as close to a guaranteed success as you're going to get. You pay dearly for that kind of security... Because you aren't taking a risk.

Of the two options, buying Pixar was ABSOLUTELY NOT a gamble, in my opinion.

I'm frustrated that you didn't respond to my comments about the most recent attraction based on a movie, or about how Disney's history as a publically traded company will prevent a massive change in focus... Just because I'm curious how you view them.
 

jt04

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Original Poster
I don't think the Pixar buy was a gamble at all. It was a known commodity... Revolutionary... Many hits under their belt... And ZERO box office failures.

The gamble would have been for Disney to not take on that $7 billion cost (allowing to turn faster and larger profits), and say "we don't need them, we'll do it on our own". But to that point, I think they had only released Chicken Little in CGI, correct? And that just didn't perform like any of the Pixar movies did. Then Bolt. Same thing. Disney knew Pixar was the safe bet. So did Pixar. That's why the cost was soooooooo high. It was as close to a guaranteed success as you're going to get. You pay dearly for that kind of security... Because you aren't taking a risk.

Of the two options, buying Pixar was ABSOLUTELY NOT a gamble, in my opinion.

I'm frustrated that you didn't respond to my comments about the most recent attraction based on a movie, or about how Disney's history as a publically traded company will prevent a massive change in focus... Just because I'm curious how you view them.

The have added two theme parks at WDW in the last 20 years (as a publicly traded company) so I can't really see how adding a "land" is revolutionary. Like I said, even if the movie fails the addition to AK would succeed, it would just have a longer "payback" period. That is not really a gamble. What would be new is rolling out 20K stuff across all divisions with the release of the movie with the idea of a trilogy already planned on paper.
 

jt04

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Original Poster
I completely agree. But of course jt thinks Iger is a mastermind for doing it.

Paying that much for any property is a huge gamble and I very clearly remember the heat Iger took for it at the time by many.

Of course, looking back it's easy to say it was a safe bet, but that definitely was not the case at the time for many.
 

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