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The Passion of The Christ
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WDWFREAK53
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Originally posted by MouseMadness
sacrilegious.
*gives Christy the gold star of the day for spelling that correctly!*
(That and SEPARATE get spelled wrong ALL the time
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WDWFREAK53
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Originally posted by tigsmom
there is A RAT in separate...had that drilled into my head by the nuns...not a very forgiving lot.
most people spell it wrong by spelling it "SEPERATE" and it's "SEPARATE"
cherrynegra
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Oi!! Don't get me started with the nuns. I had them too. I would keep getting smacked on the knuckles for poor penmenship. "Gee Sister Bernadette, maybe my writing is so poor because my hands are mangled from you hitting me on the knuckles!!":lol:
wdwhoneymooner
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Were you in the same class as Jake and Elwood Blues?
cherrynegra
Well-Known Member
I think everybody whoever went to Catholic school with nuns was in class with Jake and Elwood. Good times. Good times.
WDWFREAK53
Well-Known Member
Originally posted by tigsmom
I've found spellings vary by pronunciation...they spell it the way they say it. (and my kids drive me crazy with that, I'm a spelling freak...the nuns again
ahem? Spelling Freak? wassat now?
Lovecraft
Member
For those who do not know why there is this big controversy about the film we are talking about, or who just want to know what the nature of the controversy is, I will explain what I know from what I have gathered.
Last night I read .. oh .. I dunno something on the order of 40+ interviews articles and whatnot from Catholic, Jewish, protestant Christians and news media reporters. (My wife, upon hearing about controversy in this movie felt Christian groups were wanting the film banned or boycotted because of extreme Catholic views or something -- some of you might be thinking the same -- this is not the case).
The controversy about the movie comes mostly from the Jewish ADL, or Anti Defamation League. The ADL is not in agreement with most American Jews on this, and many Jewish scholars and Rabbis have publicly stated the ADL is doing more harm than good to the Jewish people it is supposed to protect with the stand they are taking on Mel Gibson's movie (without even having seen it).
Here is the controversy in a nutshell:
Some Jewish leaders feel the movie will spark anti-semetism in people similar to what was around in the middle ages and later in Europe.
The reason they think this is because the movie shows the literal Gospel interpretation of the last 12 hours of the life of Jesus.
In particular, Matthew 27:25 (which, in a couple of interviews and stories that I read last night was mistakenly listed as being from "Luke 27:25") Anyway, in Matthew 27:25 we see the line "His blood be upon us and upon our children" spoken by the Jewish mob after they persuade Pilate to release Barrabas rather than Jesus.
In the rough cut of the movie, from what I understand, the high priest Caiaphis says this line after Pilate washes his hands.
Also from what I understand, this has been removed from the movie after it was pre-screened and not liked by many viewers.
The contention of the people who do not want the movie seen (some Jewish groups, but certainly not all or even most Jewish leaders and Rabbis) is that the literal interpretation of the Gospels is wrong because it has the potential to make people hate Jews-- and therefore, in the spirit of political correctness, should not be shown or espoused. (as a side note here, in nearly all Christian faiths, the mob that says this line is interpreted as humanity itself, the fact that they were jewish is just because that's who lived there at the time -- I will not say that this line has not been interpreted to mean Jewish deicide by misguided people in the past-- it has)
A BIGGER controversy, to me at least, is occuring within the ranks of the Jewish rabbis and scholars over this right now. Many scholars and religious leaders are quite rightly ed, in my opinion, at those who are being so "politically correct" minded and attempting to show them how wrong this attitude is aside from smacking of trying to tell Christians what they are _really_ supposed to believe.
As far as Mel Gibson's Catholic propaganda, the only controversy here is what the media is trying to convey -- that Mel Gibson is using his celebrity to hoist radical Catholic beliefs on the public.
And I suppose he is, if you define the gospel account of Jesus being tortured and dying on the cross a radical Catholic belief -- but, to me, it seems pretty darned mainstream Catholic, and further pretty much main stream Christian in general, it is central to Christian belief and is no more radical and extreme than is believing in God.
But, simply, there is no controversy on this line-- though certain media giants are doing their best to try to spin the story as such.
The movie, from all accounts I have read is just a very realistic and literal interpretation of the Gospel account of what happened.
Nearly every Christian that has seen the pre-screening (and two Jews that snuck into one) agree-- there is no anti-semetism, nor any extremist Catholic views in it, just a straight up account as told in the Gospels done with an artistic flair for realism.
So, I suggest anyone who has decided to not see the movie because it is some Mel Gibson peice of fundamentalist propaganda has "bought in" to the anti-Christian propaganda of the media, and the unfounded fears of special interest groups.
Hey, but buy into whatever you like, it won't change the fact that so far, people who have seen the movie seem to be in agreement when they say it is an experience -- an incredible one that leaves them thinking, and changed - for the better.
For me, I have been waiting a long time for a movie that can do that. I can't think of any that have in the past. Only books that I have read have left me feeling that way. So, again, I say I AM SO THERE when this movie is released.
I have high expectations from this movie, and I do hope I am not disappointed.
Last night I read .. oh .. I dunno something on the order of 40+ interviews articles and whatnot from Catholic, Jewish, protestant Christians and news media reporters. (My wife, upon hearing about controversy in this movie felt Christian groups were wanting the film banned or boycotted because of extreme Catholic views or something -- some of you might be thinking the same -- this is not the case).
The controversy about the movie comes mostly from the Jewish ADL, or Anti Defamation League. The ADL is not in agreement with most American Jews on this, and many Jewish scholars and Rabbis have publicly stated the ADL is doing more harm than good to the Jewish people it is supposed to protect with the stand they are taking on Mel Gibson's movie (without even having seen it).
Here is the controversy in a nutshell:
Some Jewish leaders feel the movie will spark anti-semetism in people similar to what was around in the middle ages and later in Europe.
The reason they think this is because the movie shows the literal Gospel interpretation of the last 12 hours of the life of Jesus.
In particular, Matthew 27:25 (which, in a couple of interviews and stories that I read last night was mistakenly listed as being from "Luke 27:25") Anyway, in Matthew 27:25 we see the line "His blood be upon us and upon our children" spoken by the Jewish mob after they persuade Pilate to release Barrabas rather than Jesus.
In the rough cut of the movie, from what I understand, the high priest Caiaphis says this line after Pilate washes his hands.
Also from what I understand, this has been removed from the movie after it was pre-screened and not liked by many viewers.
The contention of the people who do not want the movie seen (some Jewish groups, but certainly not all or even most Jewish leaders and Rabbis) is that the literal interpretation of the Gospels is wrong because it has the potential to make people hate Jews-- and therefore, in the spirit of political correctness, should not be shown or espoused. (as a side note here, in nearly all Christian faiths, the mob that says this line is interpreted as humanity itself, the fact that they were jewish is just because that's who lived there at the time -- I will not say that this line has not been interpreted to mean Jewish deicide by misguided people in the past-- it has)
A BIGGER controversy, to me at least, is occuring within the ranks of the Jewish rabbis and scholars over this right now. Many scholars and religious leaders are quite rightly ed, in my opinion, at those who are being so "politically correct" minded and attempting to show them how wrong this attitude is aside from smacking of trying to tell Christians what they are _really_ supposed to believe.
As far as Mel Gibson's Catholic propaganda, the only controversy here is what the media is trying to convey -- that Mel Gibson is using his celebrity to hoist radical Catholic beliefs on the public.
And I suppose he is, if you define the gospel account of Jesus being tortured and dying on the cross a radical Catholic belief -- but, to me, it seems pretty darned mainstream Catholic, and further pretty much main stream Christian in general, it is central to Christian belief and is no more radical and extreme than is believing in God.
But, simply, there is no controversy on this line-- though certain media giants are doing their best to try to spin the story as such.
The movie, from all accounts I have read is just a very realistic and literal interpretation of the Gospel account of what happened.
Nearly every Christian that has seen the pre-screening (and two Jews that snuck into one) agree-- there is no anti-semetism, nor any extremist Catholic views in it, just a straight up account as told in the Gospels done with an artistic flair for realism.
So, I suggest anyone who has decided to not see the movie because it is some Mel Gibson peice of fundamentalist propaganda has "bought in" to the anti-Christian propaganda of the media, and the unfounded fears of special interest groups.
Hey, but buy into whatever you like, it won't change the fact that so far, people who have seen the movie seem to be in agreement when they say it is an experience -- an incredible one that leaves them thinking, and changed - for the better.
For me, I have been waiting a long time for a movie that can do that. I can't think of any that have in the past. Only books that I have read have left me feeling that way. So, again, I say I AM SO THERE when this movie is released.
I have high expectations from this movie, and I do hope I am not disappointed.
Lovecraft
Member
Heh.. nuns
My Great Aunt is a Mother Superior in New Orleans.
My mother taught religion in a catholic school for many years (not a nun though -- duh, I'm here
but she wanted to be.I actually considered the priesthood in the past, but I wouldn't have been able to handle the celibacy thing.
cherrynegra
Well-Known Member
Nuns. Ah yes. Nuns. I remember they used to be all over the place. Now....not so much. And they usually don't wear habits either anymore. Remember how when you would be walking down the street and then one would turn the corner heading to you, and then you'd get this deer caught in the headlights look? I DIDN'T DO IT!!!:lol:
cherrynegra
Well-Known Member
Speaking of Lent, I need to figure out what I'm going to give up for Lent.:lol:
Legacy
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I must say that in the nearly 2 years I have been scavenging these boards, this is the most amazing discussion I have read. I agree with what Christy said before. Bravo to everybody for keeping this very adult.
Now, myself... personally, I can't bring myself to seeing this in the theater. It scares me. It's not the content that frightens me, but what the movie will do to me that frightens me. My former youth pastor did a segment explaining the physical aspects of what a crucifixition does. The he went on to tell of what was different (ie, worse) with THE Crucifixition. I heard that, and that made me weep; not cry, weep. Now, the fact that I could SEE what I imagined terrifies me. I won't be seeing it in the theaters. I'm too far from home, and from the people I love, to be able to see this movie when it is first released. I will wait for the DVD (the Director's Cut; aren't I a glutton for punishment), and then wait for when I don't have to see it alone.
I'm expecting a lot of conflict to rise out of this though. This controversy right now is, I fear, only a glimpse of what is to come.
Now, myself... personally, I can't bring myself to seeing this in the theater. It scares me. It's not the content that frightens me, but what the movie will do to me that frightens me. My former youth pastor did a segment explaining the physical aspects of what a crucifixition does. The he went on to tell of what was different (ie, worse) with THE Crucifixition. I heard that, and that made me weep; not cry, weep. Now, the fact that I could SEE what I imagined terrifies me. I won't be seeing it in the theaters. I'm too far from home, and from the people I love, to be able to see this movie when it is first released. I will wait for the DVD (the Director's Cut; aren't I a glutton for punishment), and then wait for when I don't have to see it alone.
I'm expecting a lot of conflict to rise out of this though. This controversy right now is, I fear, only a glimpse of what is to come.