The Passion of The Christ

[Pumbas Nakasak]

Originally posted by Lovecraft
There isn't really "fundamentalism" in Catholocism... that word is used to describe some Muslims and Protestants .

Thats like saying everyone’s daft except me. Would you prefer the term staunch or extremist, to me they seem a little more confrontational.

As for the comparison with Osama, isnt he just fighting a culture hes against, not dissimilar to the propaganda trotted out by the IRA as they slaughtered thousands over the years, wrapping themselves in the banner of the Catholic church and socialism ?

I stick to my original point, I love U2 but what right has Bono to lecture me about world peace, or Sting about the Rainforest. Why because someone has achieved success in an industry as trivial as the entertainment one be afforded the credence that allows them to talk on issues as if they were experts? Mels film was his opportunity to publicise an issue dear to his heart, I have only read reviews and cant get excited one way or the other (as a heathen) but I would be concerned if some of the more extreme things his part of the church believes in.

How many of you believed in the apartheid system? Well I find it strange that the Catholic church in Scotland is demanding separate doors and playgrounds for Catholics in mixed faith schools.
Its a short step from strong beliefs to fundamentalism.

 

[tigsmom]

Originally posted by Lovecraft
There isn't really "fundamentalism" in Catholocism... that word is used to describe some Muslims and Protestants and possibly some splinter groups from Catholic sects. (though there is a problem in the Roman Catholic church with converts from some protestant faiths who still cling to fundamentalist ideas)

His beliefs (along with many other people) are what is called Traditional Roman Rite...they do not accept the changes brought about by Vatican II. I have to say I miss hearing the mass in Latin with all the pomp & circumstance. There is just something about a hymn sung in Latin that can bring a tear to my eye...especially Christmas hymns. (thats how I learned them as a child...pre Vatican II).

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I stick to my original point, I love U2 but what right has Bono to lecture me about world peace, or Sting about the Rainforest. Why because someone has achieved success in an industry as trivial as the entertainment one be afforded the credence that allows them to talk on issues as if they were experts?

I agree with you here...but being in the public eye makes them influential, whether we like it or not. So why not speak out on things close to your heart? Personally,it doesn't make me anymore passionate about something because a "celebrity" is espousing it.

 

[Pumbas Nakasak]

Originally posted by tigsmom
Vatican II.

El Papa's back, and this time its anglicised.
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[The Mom]

A celebrity has as much right to espouse his/her views as I do. The difference is that more people will hear them. An intelligent person will not give a celebrity's opinion more weight than mine, UNLESS the celebrity is offering an opinion about his/her area of expertise. (music, stage, movies, etc)

 

[Pumbas Nakasak]

Originally posted by The Mom
A celebrity has as much right to espouse his/her views as I do. The difference is that more people will hear them. An intelligent person will not give a celebrity's opinion more weight than mine, UNLESS the celebrity is offering an opinion about his/her area of expertise. (music, stage, movies, etc)

However, how those views are portrayed in the media are weighed in a manor that implies a certain authority.

The Gospel according to Mel, that’s a good title for a Monty Python Film.

Religion, politics and football the best way to start a fight in anempty room.

 

[JBSLJames]

Originally posted by Pumbas Nakasak
Religion, politics and football the best way to start a fight in anempty room.

As long as it's REAL FOOTBALL and not that sissy game soccer:animwink: I mean, it is okay for my daughters to play :lookaroun , but guys

And we're not even in an empty room:veryconfu

Back to the movie, I will go. I too try and justify movies as "Theater or DVD". This is usually driven by the effects in the movie (LOTR is Theater, Mystic River is DVD.)

 

[WDWSwashbuckler]

JBSLJames, I saw that picture book from the movie as well. The close-up picture of Jesus pierced feet made me want to throw up and cry at the same time. This movie will be, no doubt, moving to any audience who sees it. I've heard many reports of people who have been able to pre-screen it. One woman said that about 10 minutes into the movie, there was hardly a dry eye in the theater. I'm a little nervous about the reaction this will provoke when released, seeing the reaction we have about it right now. Anyways, I'll be there with all you guys seeing it too.

 

[DisneyPhD]

I think it is great that someone had the devotion to make a flim that will (and has) got people talking about a very important topic (instead of all the unimportant topics such as the members of survior and Clintons indiscrestions in and out of the bedroom).

Talking about such important topics is how we understand others and thier lives and view points. Not talking about it is more Anti anyone then openly discusing an important part of humanity and history for everyone.


As for money the man poured a ton of his own money into making it, and if it does end up a box office hit (I personaly think it will, it will be the 1st movie my mother has seen in a theatre in 20 years and many like her.) I would supspect some very good donations to carities and other causes.


Mel Gibson did discribe his personal catholic views as tradtional, but then again he did also admit to his history of bad personal choices and addtions and his relationship with God saving him from himself. Many people who have strayed the fatherest from God find it nessasry to be very strict in their belives.

I haven't seen it yet, I tend to agree with Erkia that it will be very difficult for me to see, I don't like voilent movies or anything, but I understand the reason for it.

I don't think this topic really has anything to do with Mel Gibson personally as much as God and Jesus.

 

[BRER STITCH]

:sohappy:

Great discussion guys!...and an absolutely FANTASTIC work of story telling on film!!!

Might I be so bold as to suggest that when you go see it, that you bring along a friend who might not necessarily have chosen to go see it on his/her own?

Wherever two or three are gathered....well, you know.

This truly will be the "Greatest Story Ever Told", and it would be a shame not to share the experience.

Ironically, the best thing to happen as a result of this movie's success will be Hollywood's desire to make more like it!

Now is the time. If not now.....when?

 

[Sir Hiss527]

Thanks Everybody! I appreciate everybody for responding to this thread. I made this thread to take a little time out from Disney, for a while, and to talk about more important matters. Not that Disney's not important...But you know what I mean.

Anyways the movie looks great. And I can't wait to see it learn more about Christ. It's going to be very graphic, and the cool thing is my whole youth group is going to go see it right after church soon. I can't wait...

"I love Jesus, yes I do. I love Jesus how bout you"?

-Thanks-

 

[tigsmom]

Originally posted by DisneyPhD


As for money the man poured a ton of his own money into making it, and if it does end up a box office hit (I personaly think it will, it will be the 1st movie my mother has seen in a theatre in 20 years and many like her.) I would supspect some very good donations to carities and other causes.

And I say Bravo for him . :sohappy:
For someone in his position (respected actor, director & producer) to spend his own money to bring something so close to his heart to the screen speaks volumes. (IMHO) He really doesn't care if it makes money (though I'm sure he wouldn't turn it down). With the state of the world today many people are returning to religion for comfort.

Many great films have opened to controversy only to be revered later...only time will tell.

 

[Pumbas Nakasak]

Originally posted by JBSLJames
As long as it's REAL FOOTBALL

Real football? I thought you only wore pads as a feminine hygiene product.

It is a proper world cup after all.

 

[David]

If you can't wiat for the movie, read The Book!

 

[AliciaLuvzDizne]

I was brought up Episcopal, though there are a lot of leadership issues that i dont necesarily agree with so im sorta on the edge with my membership to the Episcopal church...anyways none of this is my point.
I dont know very much about Catholisim at all. I do know that the Episcopal church is similar in the beliefs of Catholisim but with some key differences. Anyways I do plan on seeing this movie, although Im looking at it more as an expierience rather than a hollywood film...Mel is so passionate about his faith that he put down 30 million of his own money to produce this movie...because he felt that the real story needed to be told. That impresses me a lot. I watched the Dianne Sawyer interview last night and I enjoyed listening to his views though Ms. Sawyer was kinda annoying me...

 

[MouseMadness]

Bravo to our board members for not causing trouble with this one! :sohappy: While I'm sure a few trouble makers will be in here soon enough to say something bothersome, let's ignore them, or better yet, kill 'em with kindness!

Bravo to Mel Gibson for doing something he believes in! :sohappy: What a risk to take, in anti-mainstream religion Hollywood. (Scientology, Buddhism, and Jewish religions are acceptable, apparently, but no others in "we are so much more tolerant and understanding than the rest of the world Hollywood." :lookaroun :animwink: ) He spent lots of money, lots of time, lots of energy, and lots of emotion to make this film. Like him or not, it was courageous.

I'm still debating on whether or not I want to see this. Probably will wait until it's on my t.v. where it's much less intense. Although I understand that a message is meant to be taken away from it, it still seems so voyeuristic to me.

 

[airame]

Originally posted by DisneyPhD
I think it is great that someone had the devotion to make a flim that will (and has) got people talking about a very important topic (instead of all the unimportant topics such as the members of survior and Clintons indiscrestions in and out of the bedroom).

Talking about such important topics is how we understand others and thier lives and view points. Not talking about it is more Anti anyone then openly discusing an important part of humanity and history for everyone.


As for money the man poured a ton of his own money into making it, and if it does end up a box office hit (I personaly think it will, it will be the 1st movie my mother has seen in a theatre in 20 years and many like her.) I would supspect some very good donations to carities and other causes.


Mel Gibson did discribe his personal catholic views as tradtional, but then again he did also admit to his history of bad personal choices and addtions and his relationship with God saving him from himself. Many people who have strayed the fatherest from God find it nessasry to be very strict in their belives.

I haven't seen it yet, I tend to agree with Erkia that it will be very difficult for me to see, I don't like voilent movies or anything, but I understand the reason for it.

I don't think this topic really has anything to do with Mel Gibson personally as much as God and Jesus.

AMEN!!! I don't think I could have said it any better. I have such respect for Mel Gibson right now. I think that maybe this is the shaking up that the world needs.

 

[Maria]

Hey "Airame", I like your signature, specially the last line! :lol: :animwink:

 

[Gucci65]

Originally posted by Pumbas Nakasak
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Besides, I have never forgotten the a third rate Aussie actor playing one of my counties national heroes.
:animwink: [/B]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't this movie spark renewed
interest in the separation of England and Scotland?

The world outside of UK had never heard of William Wallace - I for one think he did a good job of telling the story (even though the "truth" was stretched quite a bit......:lookaroun
On top of all that, I feel the need to mention that Mel had a wonderful Scottish accent and looked good in a kilt!!!!!!!!!!

ANYWAY - Passion opens up nationwide Weds - February 25th - Ash Wedsesday. I will be there, ticket presales started last week.

 

[Shaman]

My view:

Although I do not take the Bible in the literal sense, I do think that the story of Jesus the man, especially the passion, are stories that should be told...if not taken in the religious sense, in the philosophical...although I have my reservations and opinions pertaining to Christianity and more directly Catholicism....I think this will be a very intresting and touching depiction....

I saw the interview last night, and I don't know whether it was editing or not, but Gibson seemed a little fanatical to me...thats just my opinion...

Looking at this film, I like the fact that Gibson didn't make the movie for the typical hollywood audience...I like that its subtitled and in the languages of the period...the visuals are impressive, filled with emotion and symbolism...it would make for a great silent film....

On the issue of politcal correctiveness...I think that most Jewish scholars are afraid that the movie, while depicting many historical accuracies...will incite anit-semitism(sp?)...many have said the movie itself isn't anit-semitical....

Watching the interview last night...I was giving people more credit than the media was...PEOPLE ARE NOT THAT STUPID (although I know some can surprise us at times)....

Dismissing the discussion of religion on the basis that it will cause trouble is rediculous and up there with the whole baning Janet Jackson for her incident, people should be allowed to express their views and opinions in any way (as long as its legal) they feel...after all if you don't want to hear or see someone's opinion (in this case Mel's) then DON'T...people I think will go away from this movie thinking...and any movie now a days that gets you thinking deserves an academy award...

So being the very liberal and opened minded "catholic" that I am...I will go see this movie (cause I am not afraid of someone's opinion), in many ways I will see this movie from many perspectives...and I really hope I go away thinking about something more than the taste of the popcorn....

 

[MouseMadness]

Originally posted by objr


...and I really hope I go away thinking about something more than the taste of the popcorn....

*Homer voice*

Mmmmm extra butter. *drool*


:lookaroun


Now I feel sacrilegious.