The Passion of The Christ

[RyanS]

I will be seeing this at AMC in Downtown Disney next Wednesday. I can't wait, it looks incredible.

 

[SpongeScott]

Originally posted by imagineer99
I will not be seeing this movie...

I am Jewish and find the topic of this film to be extremely antisemetic. Gibson is creating a film strictly based upon his views, regardless of how they may alienate a large majority of society. This is just wrong...

As a result, I will NEVER see another Mel Gibson film.

(remember this is just my opinion)

Just in case you do come back and read these posts....

Please understand this, I completely respect your opinion.

Why do you feel as though the topic is extremely antisemetic? Did Jesus not go through the things at his death?
Aren't other films also made based on someone's personal views?
What about films that mock Christianity/sexual orientation/races? Aren't those films allowed to be made?
And in a later post you made, do you really hope Gibson goes bankrupt? Isn't that kinda harsh just because you don't want to see or agree with the film?
Have you agreed with every other film that has been produced in Hollywood?

I'm really curious to understand your thinking. :wave:

 

[Shaman]

Originally posted by cherrynegra
I think some people are offended by it because it's a film that will inevitably inflame the hatred of or prejudice against Jews. And because it's a film directed by a huge Hollywood star, it gives some sort of perceived legitamacy of Gibson's and others view on the death of Jesus and the role, whatever it might have been, certain Jewish leaders at that time played in his death.

It's an age old battle against prejudice. And unless you're part of any group that has been historically been treated in a prejudiced or racist manner, then of course you wouldn't understand why it's offensive to that group.

This is like when Abercrombie & Fitch released those shirts with characatures of two Asians on it with the title "Wong Brothers Laundry Service. Two Wongs can make it white." Of course Abercrombie didn't find it offensive because they probably didn't have any Asians in a position to tell them it was. But they discovered otherwise because it was offensive to the people they mocked.

I frankly don't care about this film, and I neither have the inclination nor the interest to see it. However, it doesn't bother me that others here wish to see it and are excited about its release.

I can undertand why someone wouldn't want to see it....after all its within their rights...but to be offended because others are going to see it....that doesn't make sense to me....thats censoring...

Most if not every group in the world has been persecuted at one point or another....some more than others true....but I like to give people more credit....the majority will leave the theater with the same beliefs and opinions that they had when they came in...

Anyways...just my opinion....

 

[MouseMadness]

Originally posted by cherrynegra
I think some people are offended by it because it's a film that will inevitably inflame the hatred of or prejudice against Jews. And because it's a film directed by a huge Hollywood star, it gives some sort of perceived legitamacy of Gibson's and others view on the death of Jesus and the role, whatever it might have been, certain Jewish leaders at that time played in his death.

The truth of the matter is, if you are truly a Christian, then you know it is you yourself who killed Christ, that his death was necessary for your redemption. Gibson himself makes one cameo in the film... his hand nailing the spike into Jesus' wrist. In an effort, I am sure, to show just this fact, that it was him, and me, and anybody else who is a Christian who Christ died for and because of. *sigh* This will be a never ending discussion, LOL! I need some blood pressure medication right about now.

 

[SpongeScott]

Originally posted by MouseMadness
The truth of the matter is, if you are truly a Christian, then you know it is you yourself who killed Christ, that his death was necessary for your redemption. Gibson himself makes one cameo in the film... his hand nailing the spike into Jesus' wrist. In an effort, I am sure, to show just this fact, that it was him, and me, and anybody else who is a Christian who Christ died for and because of. *sigh* This will be a never ending discussion, LOL! I need some blood pressure medication right about now.

BINGO, Christy! Go to the head of the class! That is the essence of Christianity in a paragraph.

Hey, I think we've been handling ourselves very nicely in this conversation. The thread is still open, isn't it?

 

[RyanS]

All of this doesn't change that fact that it is going to be a brilliant movie. And that's just it, a MOVIE. A movie intended to show the real detail that all of the other Jesus movies failed to recognize.

 

[WDWSwashbuckler]

Originally posted by MouseMadness
The truth of the matter is, if you are truly a Christian, then you know it is you yourself who killed Christ, that his death was necessary for your redemption. Gibson himself makes one cameo in the film... his hand nailing the spike into Jesus' wrist. In an effort, I am sure, to show just this fact, that it was him, and me, and anybody else who is a Christian who Christ died for and because of. *sigh* This will be a never ending discussion, LOL! I need some blood pressure medication right about now.

that was right on. I think this is exaclty what alot of us have been trying to gather to courage to say this entire time! That was the whole point of the Jews AND the Romans crucifying Christ. It was not just one group, but the entire world that truly crucified him. I recently read a book by Phillip Graham Ryken and James Boice named Jesus on Trial that goes through this in a pretty detailed meathod. Christy, thank you very very much for posting.

 

[Shaman]

Originally posted by MouseMadness
The truth of the matter is, if you are truly a Christian, then you know it is you yourself who killed Christ, that his death was necessary for your redemption. Gibson himself makes one cameo in the film... his hand nailing the spike into Jesus' wrist. In an effort, I am sure, to show just this fact, that it was him, and me, and anybody else who is a Christian who Christ died for and because of. *sigh* This will be a never ending discussion, LOL! I need some blood pressure medication right about now.

In an effort to lower some already too high blood pressures.........THREAD DRIFT!

I think Mel Gibson did great performance in Signs...strangely also with a slight religious theme....

:lookaroun

 

[WDWSwashbuckler]

Originally posted by objr
In an effort to lower some already too high blood pressures.........THREAD DRIFT!

I think Mel Gibson did great performance in Signs...strangely also with a slight religious theme....

:lookaroun

I laughed throughout that entire movie!!

 

[MouseMadness]

Originally posted by SpongeScott


Hey, I think we've been handling ourselves very nicely in this conversation. The thread is still open, isn't it?

So far... I hope it continues to be, I think this discussion is important. I think it's a wonderful discussion, when people can actually discuss and not dismiss. (and roll eyes) *takes more meds* :lol:

 

[cherrynegra]

Originally posted by MouseMadness
The truth of the matter is, if you are truly a Christian, then you know it is you yourself who killed Christ, that his death was necessary for your redemption. Gibson himself makes one cameo in the film... his hand nailing the spike into Jesus' wrist. In an effort, I am sure, to show just this fact, that it was him, and me, and anybody else who is a Christian who Christ died for and because of. *sigh* This will be a never ending discussion, LOL! I need some blood pressure medication right about now.

Trust me. This could be discussed in AD NAUSEUM. And then some. But like you said, "If you are truly Christian," you're overlooking the fact that many in this world are not. And it is those who you term as not being "truly Christian" who might be concerned about whatever effects on the Jewish community this film might have. More power to you if you're "truly Christian" and you can't wait for this movie. But there are many who would disagree with you or who could care less.

 

[tigsmom]

This movie will be hard for all of us to watch. Crucifixion is a particularly heinous torture used by the Romans on what they considered the most dangerous criminals. They were frequently hung upside down to make it more painful.

Jesus was a Jew, but Christianity was founded upon His teachings. People today still fear those who are different or radical in their thinking.

I can understand imagineer99's feelings & I respect them. (I also sent him a pm stating my views on this). I am not going to try to change them as I hope he would not try to change mine.
I think we christians feel so strongly about this because we consider Jesus Christ to be our saviour while the Jewish people are still awaiting theirs.
I will see this movie, eventually, probably alone so I can deal with my feelings in private (as much as that can be done in a public theatre).

 

[MouseMadness]

Originally posted by cherrynegra
Trust me. This could be discussed in AD NAUSEUM. And then some. But like you said, "If you are truly Christian," you're overlooking the fact that many in this world are not. And it is those who you term as not being "truly Christian" who might be concerned about whatever effects on the Jewish community this film might have. More power to you if you're "truly Christian" and you can't wait for this movie. But there are many who would disagree with you or who could care less.

I understand. Again, like I said in, interestingly enough, the Kid Rock thread, thank God for free will. I don't care what religion anybody practices. Really I don't. But it's funny how the world picks and chooses when free speech and expression should be allowed.

 

[cherrynegra]

Originally posted by MouseMadness
I understand. Again, like I said in, interestingly enough, the Kid Rock thread, thank God for free will. I don't care what religion anybody practices. Really I don't. But it's funny how the world picks and chooses when free speech and expression should be allowed.

Nope. Sorry. We still live in the good ol' US of A. Where people are allowed to make films of whatever they want, people can go see them, and others can choose not to. The only picking and choosing I see are people picking a movie to see and others choosing not to. Just the way it ought to work. And that's why the Bill of Rights is sooooooooooooooooooooooooooo genius.
:animwink:

 

[Shaman]

Originally posted by cherrynegra
Trust me. This could be discussed in AD NAUSEUM. And then some. But like you said, "If you are truly Christian," you're overlooking the fact that many in this world are not. And it is those who you term as not being "truly Christian" who might be concerned about whatever effects on the Jewish community this film might have. More power to you if you're "truly Christian" and you can't wait for this movie. But there are many who would disagree with you or who could care less.

Yes it can (and trust me I have alot to say about the issue), that doesn't mean it should be said here and now....

Originally posted by MouseMadness
I understand. Again, like I said in, interestingly enough, the Kid Rock thread, thank God for free will. I don't care what religion anybody practices. Really I don't. But it's funny how the world picks and chooses when free speech and expression should be allowed.

Thats why one must always enforce freedom of speech and expression....atleast thats the way I see it....

 

[aim]

Originally posted by MouseMadness
I understand. Again, like I said in, interestingly enough, the Kid Rock thread, thank God for free will. I don't care what religion anybody practices. Really I don't. But it's funny how the world picks and chooses when free speech and expression should be allowed.

Nicely said (again) Christy! :sohappy:

 

[MouseMadness]

Originally posted by tigsmom
I am not going to try to change them as I hope he would not try to change mine.

Oh no! I hope I wasn't misunderstood... I don't wanna convert anybody or anything here. :lol: It's just I think this is much ado about nothing, truly, and I know I know, I can't understand. I'm white, I'm part of a mainstream religion, and have suffered no persecution for anything. It's just... if riots are incited over this film, I'll be so completely shocked. *sigh* I dunno... now I'm just tired.

 

[Shaman]

Originally posted by cherrynegra
Nope. Sorry. We still live in the good ol' US of A. Where people are allowed to make films of whatever they want, people can go see them, and others can choose not to. The only picking and choosing I see are people picking a movie to see and others choosing not to. Just the way it ought to work. And that's why the Bill of Rights is sooooooooooooooooooooooooooo genius.
:animwink:

Yes...that was her point....from what I gather...she was refering to the fact that people are trying to censor the parts other find offensive (thats the picking and choosing part)...

Can't we all just get along? Or atleast let the thread drift....



:lookaroun

 

[cherrynegra]

EVERYBODY GROUP HUG!!!!!!!:sohappy:

 

[MouseMadness]

Originally posted by cherrynegra
Nope. Sorry. We still live in the good ol' US of A. Where people are allowed to make films of whatever they want, people can go see them, and others can choose not to. The only picking and choosing I see are people picking a movie to see and others choosing not to. Just the way it ought to work. And that's why the Bill of Rights is sooooooooooooooooooooooooooo genius.
:animwink:

Indeed! :wave: Ya know, I've learned who I can "discuss" with and who I can't on these boards... you are on the "can" list now! :lol: :animwink:

I'm so impressed with us! :lol: In my mind, this thread had a life expectancy of maybe 5 or 6 posts. :hammer: