Progress.City
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I want to know who created the new characters.
Anyone?
Anyone?
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The Force Awakens - spoiler thread
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Mad Stitch
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I also don't have a problem with Rey beating Kylo. In addition to the above I'd say Kylo was at the skill level of Luke in ESB. Snoke told Hux to bring back Kylo so he could "complete his training." We see multiple times that Kylo is unable to control his feelings and throws a tantrum, similar to how ESB Luke was immature. Also, how good at lightsaber dueling can you get when you're the only one in the galaxy carrying one around and can cut down all of your opponents without resistance. Klyo also had no intention to kill Rey. He wanted to take her on as an apprentice and was testing her abilities just like Vader did to Luke in ESB.
fractal
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I believe they were created by JJ Abrams and his "crack" team of writers, which was the only thing new and original they managed to muster up. The movie should have been called JJ Abrams' Attack of the Clone.
fractal
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Finn also managed to get a good stab in on Kylo. It seems just picking up a lightsaber makes you a Jedi Knight in JJ Abrams Star Wars.
RandySavage
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While I give the film high marks, I have my own criticisms like everyone else. I will offer a friendly counter to a couple of these specific ones:
From what I recall (which might be off) from the film, their parting was not on bad terms but a mutual decision ("going back to the only thing I was ever good at"), as a consequence of the grief of losing their son. Even if he did leave on bad terms, they shared a deep love, a loss and are in the twilight of their lives, so her spitting venom at a reunion would have been uncharacteristic.
Would you really want to hear all that additional dialog on the bridge scene? What you propose risks the scene descending into prequel-style hokey lines and verboseness. I think the expressions/words conveyed by the two actors in the scene conveyed what you are saying without the needless additional exposition on their relationship.
I seem to recall a shot of Chewie lamenting alone. I think dwelling on more grief then necessary could bring down the mood too much.
I can sort of agree here. The major drawback of resuscitating the iconic movies of my childhood (Indy IV, Star Wars I, II, III & VII, Prometheus) is that in almost every case, it alters (lessens) one's imagined post- or pre-history to these characters/stories you care about so much.
G00fyDad
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1) Rey is not Han and Leia's kid.
2) It was not a holocron. It was a hologram communication. Two totally different things. He is a real being, but I am sure much smaller in person.
3) The Knights of Ren are an elite group of "mercenaries" that Ren trains to be his personal team. Still unsure if they are force sensitive, but I doubt they are. He is not "one of them". He is their leader.
G00fyDad
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1) I agree. I do not like Adam Driver for this role.
2) Rey is not related (imho).
3) Maybe
4) Snoke is not Plagueis. Plagueis is dead by Palpatine's hand.
5) I really wish they wouldn't have killed off Han. Give him a graceful exit to retirement with Leia, but don't kill him like that.
6) It makes sense that he just has a cameo. He'll be more prominent in 8 and 9.
G00fyDad
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Where was there a female Yoda??
Prince-1
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Soylent Green is people!
Mad Stitch
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We don't know that for sure. Rey Skywalker vs. Rey Solo will be a great debate topic while we wait 1 1/2 years for episode 8. They may want us to think she is a Skywalker, but the"he (Han) was the father you never had" line and Rey arriving just in time for to see Han die should not be overlooked. If Rey is a Solo, those two events will be strong emotional driver for Rey in the next two movies. Imagine her feelings towards Kylo the next time she confronts him knowing he killed their father and she never got the chance to know him.
Many think that Maz Kanata was a Yoda like character.
Arthur Wellesley
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That would be a neat twist having her turn out being a Solo. Though after seeing Luke's misty-eyed facial expression when he looked upon her during the final scene, I am mostly convinced she is his daughter. The emotion in his eyes was not: "Oh lookey, my old weapon!" It was an expression a parent would give who has just seen his/her child for the first time in years. He looked drained, yet emotionally shocked, unable to move. That tells me he is her long-lost father.
As for her mother's whereabouts? I have a hunch we saw her too in this movie, but only in a minimal; useless role... for now.
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P_Radden
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Just came from seeing it a second time. I appreciate the movie more seeing it twice however there a couple things that could have been done better.
1) Captain Phasma should have been the one to battle Fin on the battlefield instead of the storm-trooper with the sword thing.
2) Kylo Ren should have not reveled his face until the very end scene with Han. Doing so earlier so easily at Rey's request kind of took away his mystique and bad a$$-ness. I didn't like the following scene with him arguing with Snoke without his helmet. This reminded me way too much of Haydon Christianson as Anakin..
3) The canteen scene should have had a catchier tune playing as the camera first panned the room. That was one of the most memorable things about the canteen in ANH. So that was somewhat a letdown for me.
Some things I liked are:
1) The sets! I wish they could re-purpose some of them for SWL at DHS, that would be so awesome.
2) Kylo Ren's voice.Well Done
3) Poe Dameron's Character.
4) Kylo Ren's "Imperial" Shuttle. I always loved the original white Imperial Shuttle, so this one was an awesome surprise for me in this movie.
5) All CG including Maz Kanata, the little big-eyed green woman at the canteen looked fantastic with perhaps the exception of Snoke.
The thing I am wondering about is, how Leia looked at Rey and hugged her the first time they met as if they are long lost aunt and niece or something.
I still really like this move a lot and we both talked about how we got more teared up the second time seeing it.
I really hope they beef up Kylo Ren for the next movie. I want to see him be the best villain ever.
..Oh and Kylo-Ben is lucky he didn't drop his helmet in the big dark hole. I for sure thought it was going to roll off the narrow walkway.
1) Captain Phasma should have been the one to battle Fin on the battlefield instead of the storm-trooper with the sword thing.
2) Kylo Ren should have not reveled his face until the very end scene with Han. Doing so earlier so easily at Rey's request kind of took away his mystique and bad a$$-ness. I didn't like the following scene with him arguing with Snoke without his helmet. This reminded me way too much of Haydon Christianson as Anakin..
3) The canteen scene should have had a catchier tune playing as the camera first panned the room. That was one of the most memorable things about the canteen in ANH. So that was somewhat a letdown for me.
Some things I liked are:
1) The sets! I wish they could re-purpose some of them for SWL at DHS, that would be so awesome.
2) Kylo Ren's voice.Well Done
3) Poe Dameron's Character.
4) Kylo Ren's "Imperial" Shuttle. I always loved the original white Imperial Shuttle, so this one was an awesome surprise for me in this movie.
5) All CG including Maz Kanata, the little big-eyed green woman at the canteen looked fantastic with perhaps the exception of Snoke.
The thing I am wondering about is, how Leia looked at Rey and hugged her the first time they met as if they are long lost aunt and niece or something.
I still really like this move a lot and we both talked about how we got more teared up the second time seeing it.
I really hope they beef up Kylo Ren for the next movie. I want to see him be the best villain ever.
..Oh and Kylo-Ben is lucky he didn't drop his helmet in the big dark hole. I for sure thought it was going to roll off the narrow walkway.
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Tony Perkis
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This is a joke, right?
Captain Ciena Ree was the captain of the Inflictor, which is the Star Destroyer seen on Jakku.
lazyboy97o
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It was either he dies or you never see him again.
Given his history, probably not.
Tony Perkis
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Yep, just realized who the poster was. Makes sense now.
TyTrap
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is that from the new EU?
Skip
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My biggest disappointment was Captain Phasma. Such a great buildup with an excellent, underrated actor in the part - and then she gets maybe 4 minutes of screen time with no moments of badassery. I agree with a prior poster for suggesting she take on Finn in the raid on the cantina. Supposedly she will be back for Episode VIII - I imagine they'll amp up her presence now that she has some tangible bones to pick.
I really, really enjoyed the film and thought most everything worked. A few too many New Hope callbacks and I thought the tentacled aliens were way too obviously CGI, and that entire sequence felt like it was out of a different film (i.e. one of Abrams' Star Trek pictures).
Kylo Ren is an excellent villain, and anyone who complains that he isn't "threatening" or is "too whiny" maybe don't understand great character construction...
I really, really enjoyed the film and thought most everything worked. A few too many New Hope callbacks and I thought the tentacled aliens were way too obviously CGI, and that entire sequence felt like it was out of a different film (i.e. one of Abrams' Star Trek pictures).
Kylo Ren is an excellent villain, and anyone who complains that he isn't "threatening" or is "too whiny" maybe don't understand great character construction...
Animaniac93-98
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They just want Vader 2.0. Which is what that character wants, but isn't (and that's kind of the point).