The Force Awakens - spoiler thread

JohnD

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I guess I'll get this ball rolling since everyone else is afraid to lol: I left the movie with a few questions: 1.Will Rey be Ben's sister or cousin? Jedi are not supposed to get romantically involved with others according to their code. So it's a 50-50 split on that answer because they could re write the rules. 2.Is Supreme Leader Snoke just a Holocron or a real being? What if the big twist is that Snoke is actually just a force ghost communicating through holocron technology. Just a theory for now. 3.Who are the Knights of Ren? We see them for a split second in the movie. We know Kylo is one of them. At least for now it seems like they don't have anything to do with the first order. Maybe not all Knights of Ren are pro first order. The rest of the movie seemed pretty cut and dry though.

I got the impression Snoke was communicating via hologram. Just like Sidious/the Emperor did in prior films. At the end of the movie, he instructions Hux to bring Ren to him to complete his training. Doesn't sound like a holocron to me.
 

Wendy Pleakley

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This was a highly fun and engaging movie that should delight Star Wars fans.

Music, action, humour, acting. Everything the prequels got wrong, this gets right.

Just thinking of the opening crawl: "The taxation of trade routes is in dispute" versus "Luke Skywalker has vanished". One of these statements is intriguing and exciting and nostalgic. No need to say which one.

Some of the nostalgic moments were fun, if a little forced - look, hologram chess!

C3PO's appearance was hilarious and true to form. He was not degraded with lines like "this is such a drag" again.

The film's biggest flaw is how much it rehashes A New Hope. A droid has important information, it escapes a desert planet with a ragtag group of outlaws, a battle to defeat a super weapon ensues. The movie is a blast from start to finish, but the lack of originality is noticeable.

Some nitpicky complaints are things like Han not telling Leia his plan ("You don't want to know". "Oh, okay, sounds good".) and a chasm appearing at just the right time to ensure the hero/villain both survive to meet again.

The background of the villain was not surprising to me at all, as the series is always about relationships between family members. Rey is still a mystery but I think it's inevitable she is related to Luke or Leia, abandoned to keep her anonymous and hidden from the villains.

It was pretty common speculation which character wouldn't make it out of this movie alive. I didn't know for sure, but when it happens you do see it coming. Still a powerful and well done moment that exists in service of the story.

The final moments are sheer brilliance. As much as I wanted to see more of Luke, or scenes with him and the rest of the cast together, if those final moments don't have you itching for more, you're not a Star Wars fan.
 

Wendy Pleakley

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Other thoughts:

What was with the map? Why is there a treasure map? Why did they need the second half of the map, couldn't they figure out where the first one fit based on existing maps?

Why do Jedi go into seclusion when something goes wrong? Yoda almost defeated the Emperor, but instead of trying again he goes into hiding. Luke basically screwed over the galaxy.
 

Master Yoda

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Ben Solo is just as whiny as Anakin. No wonder he's a Darth Vader groupie.

Still don't know the history of Rey. But if the movie is going to copy Ep. IV, why stop there. For all we know, she is Ben's sister and is just as hidden under everyone's nose as Leia was to Vader when she was captured on the Tantive IV.

Max Whatever is a variation on Yoda.

Snoke is a variation on Palpatine. One rumor is that he is Darth Plagueis.

Not surprised in Han Solo's death. Harrison Ford finally got the ending he wanted for his character. Which makes sense why he was so played up in TFA. Who knew that Skywalker would have nothing more than a cameo?
I did.:D

http://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads/the-force-awakens.893641/page-29#post-6978036
 

TyTrap

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I got the impression Snoke was communicating via hologram. Just like Sidious/the Emperor did in prior films. At the end of the movie, he instructions Hux to bring Ren to him to complete his training. Doesn't sound like a holocron to me.
Yea I'm over thinking that one. You're right it's probably just a hologram.
 

FoozieBear

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I wonder if Ben Solo is named after Ben Kenobi?

Also is Finn really dead? The movie was not clear on if he was dead or just in a coma.
 

RandySavage

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I have a question for those in the know.

There seemed to be three political factions mentioned throughout: 1. The First Order. 2. The Republic 3. The Resistance.

This confused me. Can someone explain a bit more. Obviously the First Order is the new Empire, but what is the difference between 2 & 3? If 2 still exists, why the need for 3 and vice-versa?
 

Master Yoda

Pro Star Wars geek.
Premium Member
I have a question for those in the know.

There seemed to be three political factions mentioned throughout: 1. The First Order. 2. The Republic 3. The Resistance.

This confused me. Can someone explain a bit more. Obviously the First Order is the new Empire, but what is the difference between 2 & 3? If 2 still exists, why the need for 3 and vice-versa?
The new expanded universe novels explain the division a little.

The Republic somewhat of a splinter group of the New Republic headed by Leia Organa. They have broken away from the New Republic, which is the current dominate government in the Galaxy after the fall of the Empire

The First order is a similar splinter group of the Empire..

The New Republic is pretty content to ignore the First Order as they are largely confined to the outer rim. The Resistance does not share this view hence the reason the broke off from the New Republic.

We shall see if that changes after the First order blew up a few planets.
 

invader

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All I can keep thinking of is that JJ did the exact same thing with Lost. Just like Lost was never about the island, TFA wasn't about the story. It was about the characters. We were comfortably introduced to a new generation of Star Wars leads who fought alongside OT leads. It was comfortable, and it was done on purpose.

Atleast that's what I keep telling myself after I watched a rehashed ANH in theaters.
 

RandySavage

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The new expanded universe novels explain the division a little.

The Republic somewhat of a splinter group of the New Republic headed by Leia Organa. They have broken away from the New Republic, which is the current dominate government in the Galaxy after the fall of the Empire

The First order is a similar splinter group of the Empire..

The New Republic is pretty content to ignore the First Order as they are largely confined to the outer rim. The Resistance does not share this view hence the reason the broke off from the New Republic.

We shall see if that changes after the First order blew up a few planets.

Thanks! Assuming you meant "Resistance" as the second word of your second sentence. That makes a bit more sense now.
 

SJN1279

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The ending would have had a lot more impact, if JJ had kept Mark Hamill's involvement a secret. Or better yet, if he had Harrison Ford make a surprise cameo in the end after years of saying he was done with the character.

Think Barbossa in Pirates 2.
 

DHoy

Active Member
I'm so pleased with the return to using practical sets and effects over cgi and green screen. When watching I really felt like the places and locations were real, where as in the episodes 2 & 3 they felt fake and clearly computer generated. If anything was great about the movie it was the focus on using practical and real sets.

Snoke. I'm curious about the holes and crevices in his face.

First Order. A whole lot more badass than the empire.

New Republic. Are they ruling from Coruscant? Is there a senate? I know Star Wars is about the adventure but I'd like to see the factions and politics. (Maybe a side movie explaining the time between ROTJ and TFA).
 

Wendy Pleakley

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The ending would have had a lot more impact, if JJ had kept Mark Hamill's involvement a secret. Or better yet, if he had Harrison Ford make a surprise cameo in the end after years of saying he was done with the character.

Think Barbossa in Pirates 2.

An interesting notion, however reaction to not having Luke might have been:

1) Anger that Luke isn't in it
2) Everyone just assuming he'd show up anyway, made more obvious by the search for Luke storyline

I thought the moment had more than enough impact regardless.
 

JohnD

Well-Known Member
I'm so pleased with the return to using practical sets and effects over cgi and green screen. When watching I really felt like the places and locations were real, where as in the episodes 2 & 3 they felt fake and clearly computer generated. If anything was great about the movie it was the focus on using practical and real sets.

Snoke. I'm curious about the holes and crevices in his face.

First Order. A whole lot more badass than the empire.

New Republic. Are they ruling from Coruscant? Is there a senate? I know Star Wars is about the adventure but I'd like to see the factions and politics. (Maybe a side movie explaining the time between ROTJ and TFA).

Just watching Rey slide down a dune on space garbage made it all the more real.
 

Tony Perkis

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The ending would have had a lot more impact, if JJ had kept Mark Hamill's involvement a secret. Or better yet, if he had Harrison Ford make a surprise cameo in the end after years of saying he was done with the character.

Think Barbossa in Pirates 2.
Abrams tried that with Khan in Star Trek Into Darkness. It backfired horribly. Even he admits it did.
 

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