The Force Awakens - spoiler thread

TyTrap

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P_Radden said:
I want to know more about these guys around Ren:
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I believe they are the Knights of Ren. I have a theory that Snoke/Darth Plaugis did away with the sith order and in its place created the Knights of Ren. It was mentioned in the movie that Kylo is the last remaining Knight so maybe the rest were killed by Luke or Kylo did that himself because of his craving for power in the ranks of the first order. I'm curious to see if they use Yavin 4 and the massassi temple as the setting for the events that occurred with Luke and Kylo.
 
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JohnD

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Just read several reviews of Creed (haven't seen it). They all heap praise on the movie and it's similar plot lines / themes to Rocky. Why is it its a great thing when Creed does it but so horrible when TFA does it?
 
Phroobar

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JohnD said:
Just read several reviews of Creed (haven't seen it). They all heap praise on the movie and it's similar plot lines / themes to Rocky. Why is it its a great thing when Creed does it but so horrible when TFA does it?
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Because the fan reaction to trolls is not the same. No one is going to fight with a troll over any Rocky movie (unless it's Rocky Horror). Star Wars is where a lot of internet geeks live. Ever since TPM it is fashionable to beat on Star Wars.
 
micdisney

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I didn't read the whole thread so not sure if we have talked about it yet. Big question who exactly is Rey? Where does she come from? I don't 100 percent believe she's Luke's daughter but she has to have some history with him.
 
JohnD

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phruby said:
Because the fan reaction to trolls is not the same. No one is going to fight with a troll over any Rocky movie (unless it's Rocky Horror). Star Wars is where a lot of internet geeks live. Ever since TPM it is fashionable to beat on Star Wars.
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Not sure of your reference to "trolls." Hope you're not referring to me! I've been in and out of this thread.

But, yes, I've seen the beating up of SW. Like any movie, it's open for legitimate criticism. I've also noticed the comparisons to Ep IV too but that doesn't in and of itself make it a bad movie. So, I yeah, I chimed in after reading a recent review of Creed and was curious of the difference.
 
JohnD

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micdisney said:
I didn't read the whole thread so not sure if we have talked about it yet. Big question who exactly is Rey? Where does she come from? I don't 100 percent believe she's Luke's daughter but she has to have some history with him.
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Another theory I read. She is a reincarnated Anakin. If he had no father to begin with, why not? Why is it Luke had no visions when he picked up Anakin's saber but Rey did? Luke will now help Rey complete Anakin's restoration.

http://www.inquisitr.com/2649390/st...ims-to-know-who-she-is-and-it-will-floor-you/
 
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micdisney

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JohnD said:
Another theory I read. She is a reincarnated Anakin. If he had no father to begin with, why not? Why is it Luke had no visions when he picked up Anakin's saber but Rey did? Luke will now help Rey complete Anakin's restoration.
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I never thought about Luke not having a vision. So what family was she waiting for to come back? I'm not disagreeing or agreeing I just wanna know your thoughts
 
JohnD

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micdisney said:
I never thought about Luke not having a vision. So what family was she waiting for to come back? I'm not disagreeing or agreeing I just wanna know your thoughts
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Don't know. Only came across the theory several days ago myself. I edited my post with the link. That's a good question. The type to put a hole in the theory which isn't addressed. The only explanation I can think of that would hold up is that while Rey may be a reincarnated Anakin, she isn't fully cognizant of that and naturally assumes her "parents" would return. It does beg the question of who left her on Jakku to begin with.
 
micdisney

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JohnD said:
Don't know. Only came across the theory several days ago myself. I edited my post with the link. That's a good question. The type to put a hole in the theory which isn't addressed. The only explanation I can think of that would hold up is that while Rey may be a reincarnated Anakin, she isn't fully cognizant of that and naturally assumes her "parents" would return. It does beg the question of who left her on Jakku to begin with.
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In her vision you do see a space craft flying away when some says "quite little girl" Do you think that it could be Luke or Han. Now I think Luke is a more reasonable choice but if you dig deep like I have theirs evidence for both.
 
JohnD

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micdisney said:
In her vision you do see a space craft flying away when some says "quite little girl" Do you think that it could be Luke or Han. Now I think Luke is a more reasonable choice but if you dig deep like I have theirs evidence for both.
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Well, she already knew about the piece of junk Millenium Falcon just sitting around on Jakku. It sure seems like a huge coincidence that on this huge planet, she happens to live near it, knows how to fly it, and Han Solo just happens to be in the vicinity. And that the Falcon gets sold to a dealer on the very planet where she lives. It's almost like it was left there on purpose waiting for her to fly it into space.
 
micdisney

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JohnD said:
Well, she already knew about the piece of junk Millenium Falcon just sitting around on Jakku. It sure seems like a huge coincidence that on this huge planet, she happens to live near it, knows how to fly it, and Han Solo just happens to be in the vicinity. And that the Falcon gets sold to a dealer on the very planet where she lives. It's almost like it was left there on purpose waiting for her to fly it into space.
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I would be perfectly happy if she was Han daughter. He would have a dark son and good daughter.
 
Phroobar

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JohnD said:
Not sure of your reference to "trolls." Hope you're not referring to me! I've been in and out of this thread.

But, yes, I've seen the beating up of SW. Like any movie, it's open for legitimate criticism. I've also noticed the comparisons to Ep IV too but that doesn't in and of itself make it a bad movie. So, I yeah, I chimed in after reading a recent review of Creed and was curious of the difference.
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Definitely not you. I ment internet fanboy-trolls in general. The ones that find it cool to bash good things. Its the same kind of person that hates everything at the Parks but goes there all the time.
 
flynnibus

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Saw it again tonight.. this time in true IMAX 3D with the latest IMAX tech at Udvar-Hazy

First... this is the line 50mins before showtime.. on a Sunday night before everyone goes back to work/school tomorrow..
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Any question why this movie has made over a billion dollars? :) I estimate there were already 500-600 people in line when we got there. Remember, this theater is showing the film 5 times a day.. and its still this busy almost 4 weeks after opening. Even getting there almost an hour early, we got stuck in the lower section.. and my neck is still killing me.

But woah.. the new IMAX laser lite digital projection is stunning. Like, crrazzzzy sharp and bright. So bright, reflection off your face to the inside of the glasses can be a problem at times. The glasses have side hoods.. which on an IMAX screen actually acts as blinders. You can't see the whole screen in your field of view which kind of stinks. You actually have to pan left and right to see the whole screen from most seats the in the theater. The 3D glasses exaggerate that problem which is a slight negative.

But onto seeing the film again...

The film almost feels like it was two different films cut together. The first half up through the escape from Jakku actually feels so much different from that point on. That first act is great IMO.

I've been listening to the soundtrack in spare time.. and I'm convinced Rey's Theme is the only standout. And it really works for her early in the film (it makes a comeback when Rey returns to the rebel base.. but more subdued). Where the music really was a letdown was two points...

When they are all scrambling to the fighters to take on the starkiller base.. that hero moment needs a moving inspiring piece.. and it totally falls flat. Contrast this with the music for the battle of yavin in EPIV

The constant reuse of the Jedi medley whenever ANYONE dealt with any discovery of the force

Surprisingly... the sound for the film at IMAX was not that impressive. Not in your face, not immersive, nadda... and this place has a 12 channel setup now.

Things that still stood out as wonky...
- Escaping from Jakku only requires defeating two tie fighters (never mind that whole star destroyer in orbit)
- Really.. that's the best pursuit you can put up when someone steals a tie fighter from your hanger?
- Someone earlier said there were no space battles... yes there were. Poe's escape, and the starbase battle actually goes back to orbit right before they make their dive to the trench run
- I have no idea why Finn feels it's necessary to cheer 'thats one hell of a pilot' during the attack on Maz's cantina - that was so forced to try to tie it together and ID poe
- as mentioned before... time compression is really bad due to the pacing. The entire climatic sequence is supposed to take less than 15 minutes.. and people seem to cover great distances in what should be 30seconds in the countdown. (that and the whole countdown and blowup the planet as it concludes is kinda cliche at this point..)
- rey's/ren's final battle felt better to watch the second time
- why is it the rock sequence where rey/ren battle on Maz's planet... identical to the starkiller planet environment+snow (the scenes where Rey climbs up the rocks, etc)
- Did Carrie Fisher botox the hell out of her upper lip or something? It never moves.. and her speech reflects it.
- The lightsaber Maz has is blue... and claims it was vader's... but we know that was red (and luke's blue was lost in ESB, and his new one was green).


So some questions that stood out...

- So who do we think the guy is who has the map to skywalker in the opening sequence? He knew Kylo before he turned bad.. the opening crawl calls him an 'old ally'. Who do we think that is?
- Did Rey cut off Ken's hand in the final battle? The first time through, I thought that final blow she cuts off his saber hand.. but this time I wasn't sure.
- Who does the voice of the stormtrooper Rey does the Jedi Mind trick on... I swear I'm supposed to recognize him

The good...
- Rey - she kills it, has that perfect look of sexy, tough, but sneaky cute/sexy
- BB-8
- The humor integration is pretty good and a good balance for a star wars film
- Wide audience appeal.. my wife is not a SW nuts, but casually knows what's going on. She liked the film, and she had lots to talk about on the way home.. so it engaged her
- Visuals (even tho I'm not into this 'jaggy/rough' laser stuff)
 

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