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21stamps

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This is an excerpt from the original email about tryouts, 2 months ago, from the club director..

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This was the team admin’s response to the Mom referencing that email..and how can her son be moved down at this stage..

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So that sounds like another parent had already found that section of the bylaws, and questioned it. There may be more people who are fighting.. we just don’t know who. I’m hoping they can work together. I can’t imagine the director is not aware of their own bylaws.. but he’s been contacted, I’m waiting to see how they respond.

I’m relieved that I’m not dealing with this, but I do not think any of this is ok. I almost hope that we’re missing some wording, somewhere, and that this isn’t as shady as it looks. Either way, T’s teammate of 12 months now, that kid specifically should not have been moved. I can’t even imagine how he will feel. It’s so ugly!! Him and T do every extra training they have..goalkeeper included.. they play so well together, that kid has been with the club for two years now, because he should be..he’s a good player...it just makes me so angry.
 
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Gabe1

Ivory Tower Squabble EST 2011. WINDMILL SURVIVOR
I’m heartbroken for one of the players who is being moved down. The mom wants to fight it, with an attorney if necessary, even if it means leaving the club next season.

I don’t know how far she will take it, but I’ve scouring over the bylaws as well..I wish I had more of a way to help her. Her son did not deserve it. I think there was a lot of politics involved, and I think they thought his family wouldn’t push back. They’re so quiet and sweet.. 5 kids, 4 of which play club soccer for that club. I think that makes it all the more heartbreaking. She hasn’t told him yet. It’s just an ugly situation all the way around.. but from what I see, she has a case to fight it, at least demand to be heard by the board.

Oy. I'm sorry young elementary school children are put through all this. I watched it, more the parents when my kids swam club. With them it wasn't moving up or down more over the A swimmers and the B swimmers more like high school football but with K-12 swimmers. Since I had over 15 years in the club with my kids and my kids being 5 grades apart it was a long long time of parental drama. Parents seemed to dwell on it more than the kids but the parents decisions cast a cloud over their kids and family forever with other parents and the club. An Attorney cause a kid got moved down? Yikes. So many clubs out there. Some of our swimmers moved clubs every few years. I didn't have that energy and academics and education was more my battle.

My kids were good swimmers, not Olympic material though by any thought. We were in the 50% bracket of parents that got that. The pitching of the fit if their kids swam B over A in a season was nasty with some families and others not so much. The same parents were always the ones to stir the pot and pitch a fit. No kid or family wishes their kid to be moved down. Politics of sports with adults has always been there and can guess it will always be.

Rarely was my DS moved down but my DD in a two year age group would flop back and forth. Younger end often moved down upper end of age moved up. She grasped, we as parents grasped but the meltdowns of parents we didn't grasp. OMG!!! How the parent takes it makes a huge difference and how the parent expresses the unfairness or disappointment to their child usually reflects on how the child will react. I have no regrets for all the Chlorine my kids inhaled over the 15+ years but it was a sport, a team, an identity. So great for their Character building. Same came be said for all the positioning of what chair a student is placed in band. Same drama. Ultimately the vast majority will not be Olympians, most will go to college, start a career and family someday and life balances out. It is how we choose to live with the disappointment as parent, the expectations telling our kids it is OK to be on any level just have fun. It is OK to just have fun as a little kid.
 

21stamps

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Oy. I'm sorry young elementary school children are put through all this. I watched it, more the parents when my kids swam club. With them it wasn't moving up or down more over the A swimmers and the B swimmers more like high school football but with K-12 swimmers. Since I had over 15 years in the club with my kids and my kids being 5 grades apart it was a long long time of parental drama. Parents seemed to dwell on it more than the kids but the parents decisions cast a cloud over their kids and family forever with other parents and the club. An Attorney cause a kid got moved down? Yikes. So many clubs out there. Some of our swimmers moved clubs every few years. I didn't have that energy and academics and education was more my battle.

My kids were good swimmers, not Olympic material though by any thought. We were in the 50% bracket of parents that got that. The pitching of the fit if their kids swam B over A in a season was nasty with some families and others not so much. The same parents were always the ones to stir the pot and pitch a fit. No kid or family wishes their kid to be moved down. Politics of sports with adults has always been there and can guess it will always be.

Rarely was my DS moved down but my DD in a two year age group would flop back and forth. Younger end often moved down upper end of age moved up. She grasped, we as parents grasped but the meltdowns of parents we didn't grasp. OMG!!! How the parent takes it makes a huge difference and how the parent expresses the unfairness or disappointment to their child usually reflects on how the child will react. I have no regrets for all the Chlorine my kids inhaled over the 15+ years but it was a sport, a team, an identity. So great for their Character building. Same came be said for all the positioning of what chair a student is placed in band. Same drama. Ultimately the vast majority will not be Olympians, most will go to college, start a career and family someday and life balances out. It is how we choose to live with the disappointment as parent, the expectations telling our kids it is OK to be on any level just have fun. It is OK to just have fun as a little kid.


It’s one of my biggest fear at tryouts.. but I think the June tryout we’re more prepared because of the possibility... I was a nervous wreck while waitlisted for a response.

In this case, it was a complete last minute blindside to the families. Not even all of the kids were in attendance, because supplemental tryouts are not mandatory. I agree that an attorney sounds extreme, but I can understand why she would feel that way, especially between the original tryout email and the by-laws. They’ve already paid all fees for the year.. they accepted an offer in June.. for an entire year, if they would have been offered a lower team then he could have attended another club’s tryouts at that time. Now it’s too late. I think her heart is breaking for her son, and I can understand that... I have no idea what this will do to a kid’s confidence when there is no apparent reason for it..not because he played bad.. but because they’re moving some other kids down to our team-this was determined a while ago and what I think started the whole thing. The mistake was made last June, by the coaches’ picks at that time. Because they chose kids who had a great tryout over existing players who had a great season. The entire team has paid a price for that mistake, both the premier and elite teams.. and now the club is figuring out how to correct their mistake.. but unless I’m missing something, it looks like it’s against the rules.

I loved our team last Spring, and I hated that we only had 3 returning players (including T), I don’t think the majority of the new kids were as good as the ones who left the club, over being offered a spot on a lower team... but I would rather not win tournaments and let the year play out as chosen, and then let them change the roster again next summer.
 
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Figgy1

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Now, THAT would be a bonafide hot dog eating contest...none a’ this wimpy Nathan's shovin’ plain dogs and buns down your gullet and chasin’ It all with water...let’s see how many a’ those 12 loaded suckers anybody can stuff in ‘em in the 10 minute time limit...now, that would be some entertainment...just the mixture of all those ingredients in that short a timeframe...!!!!!!! :in pain::joyfull::hilarious:
Thank you for the suggestion but they don't need any more ideas;)
 

Figgy1

Well-Known Member
This is an excerpt from the original email about tryouts, 2 months ago, from the club director..

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This was the team admin’s response to the Mom referencing that email..and how can her son be moved down at this stage..

View attachment 326286


So that sounds like another parent had already found that section of the bylaws, and questioned it. There may be more people who are fighting.. we just don’t know who. I’m hoping they can work together. I can’t imagine the director is not aware of their own bylaws.. but he’s been contacted, I’m waiting to see how they respond.

I’m relieved that I’m not dealing with this, but I do not think any of this is ok. I almost hope that we’re missing some wording, somewhere, and that this isn’t as shady as it looks. Either way, T’s teammate of 12 months now, that kid specifically should not have been moved. I can’t even imagine how he will feel. It’s so ugly!! Him and T do every extra training they have..goalkeeper included.. they play so well together, that kid has been with the club for two years now, because he should be..he’s a good player...it just makes me so angry.
Will T stay with the same club next year?
 

Figgy1

Well-Known Member
This is an excerpt from the original email about tryouts, 2 months ago, from the club director..

View attachment 326285


This was the team admin’s response to the Mom referencing that email..and how can her son be moved down at this stage..

View attachment 326286


So that sounds like another parent had already found that section of the bylaws, and questioned it. There may be more people who are fighting.. we just don’t know who. I’m hoping they can work together. I can’t imagine the director is not aware of their own bylaws.. but he’s been contacted, I’m waiting to see how they respond.

I’m relieved that I’m not dealing with this, but I do not think any of this is ok. I almost hope that we’re missing some wording, somewhere, and that this isn’t as shady as it looks. Either way, T’s teammate of 12 months now, that kid specifically should not have been moved. I can’t even imagine how he will feel. It’s so ugly!! Him and T do every extra training they have..goalkeeper included.. they play so well together, that kid has been with the club for two years now, because he should be..he’s a good player...it just makes me so angry.
Just my 2 cents but it seems the wording is intentionally misleading. I have little patience for shady business practices, even less for ones dealing with children
 

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