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Cesar R M

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TRIP REPORT PROGRESS!!

SAN JUAN, PR.
This day was different than our usual, because we had booked months ago with a local extremely well recommended private tour operator. Which is pretty much a family who owns a few vans and do exclusive and private tours around San Juan. They are called "Charlie's tours".
So our expectations were high as we wanted to be 100% sure we had everything READY and ON TIME.
The ship had only 5 pitiful hours docked on San Juan. So we wanted to squeeze as much as possible by visiting most of the historical sites of OLD SAN JUAN.

We woke up fairly early this day, the ship was already getting close to San Juan and was passing thru the El Morro when we decided to take breakfast.
This time, like on Sint Maarten.. we decided to eat on the WindJammer to see the approach and the docking.
The interesting part is, there was a Carnival ship already docked, and another very big one was moving right behind the Oasis (the Carnival Magic)

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Old San Juan was truly beautiful. Tons of classic buildings, with modern ones, all with a variety of colors. Not to mention the walls and the decked ships that populated the bay.

Now something weird happened. After docking. We got ready and checked the clock and we got ready to get to the exit ( the gangway/ramp). And we waited.. and waited.. and waited.. and waited..
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20160907_073631.jpg The Glory right next to us and the Magic.

We noticed that the shipcrew was not cleared to drop as well. Turns out they gave priority to the huge Carnival Magic to dock. And nobody could move until the ship was heavily tied down and their ramps lowered as well.
We waited a hefty 45 minutes.. (which the Oasis added in the end to the docking time, so we left later than expected from San Juan)
And the lines were pretty big to get down from the ship.

First, the crewstaff had to go down, prepare things outside, then the new staff came in(shift change?) then we finally were cleared to leave the ship.

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It was interesting to be right between 2 behemots..
Anyway we were finally scanned and left the ship area.. where 2 photographers and 2 handsome pair (girl and guy in "sailor suit) were taking photos. Mother definitively wanted one, which she bought later on.

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Once we got down, we followed the instructions to find the "meeting point" for the cruise guy.

Turns out the father was not available, he had to go to the USA. So his son Carlitos (Charlie Jr) was going to be our guide.
Despite his difficulty speaking spanish as he was soo used to only offer tours in english, he did a phenomenal job getting us from there and here with so little time.

We boarded his Van which also had snacks and drinks (very welcome since it was scorching hot)

And then he told us to drop a few blocks away, where he needed to park.
Then we went walking to start the tour of old San Juan. by Walking in the Paseo de la Princesa.
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The whole area was very clean and well maintained.. It was definitively a beautiful town.
Note that the building on the left.. was used to be a jail, maintained outside the reinforced san juan walls.
Now its the tourism company.
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Our Tour essentially started near the fountain. Which featured the 2 flags of PR and USA.

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There was hardly people nearby so the whole thing was even more peaceful.
Big win for me, so I could understand better what he was explaining about the tour. The story, the walls, the wars, the doors..etc..

There was some restoration going on as well. By cleaning the walls and leaving in their color and state they should have been during their prime.
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The fortifications were indeed impressive. Surrounding the entire old San Juan except for the area facing the docks, which had most of the walls destroyed to let the city expand. Because old Castillo San Cristobal pretty much covered the entire town with huge fortifications, canon and artillery areas, as well as many "onlooking" towers(garitas) for spotters.

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There was some newer sculptures on the way as well. But we had no idea what these were for other than "ART"
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What was most impressive was the old trees AND these monstrous walls.. no seriously.. these walls were like.. from 6 to 10 meters wide.. It required 2 double doors of heavy reinforced wood to let people enter the town (there were more than 6 doors, now only one remains for historical purposes).

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This tree supposedly has more than 100 years. Maybe more, didnt hear very well.

And the famous last remaining reinforced double door.
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"Puerta de San Juan"

Note the huge curved room.. that is the "width" of the monstrous wall that the spanish built to defend San Juan.
Supposedly some of these doors are still the original dating back to the final years of the spanish ownership.

This is very close to the "La fortaleza" castle and now government building.

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Once inside, you could instantly notice the old cobblestone. Most of it dating from the Spanish era as well. Most of the rocks and cobblestone is severely damaged. Our guide told us its mostly because of the cars.

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There were tons of cats roaming around as well. Probably good to kill vermin in this area.

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My mother of course, wanted to see some of the main churches of the area.
Unfortunately for her, it was still too early and it was closed.
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Interesting rules about the buildings in San Juan. You are NOT allowed to have your house painted of the same color as any of your neighbors.. You must follow certain guidelines or face fines up to 300 USD a DAY. This is to prevent any disruption in the tone and style of San Juan.

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This old Convento was transformed into a luxury hotel and restaurant.
It was very pretty, reminds me of these spanish conventos that were transformed into hotels in the city of Puebla in Mexico.


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There were also plenty of sculptures in these small plazas.


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Facing "La Fortaleza".
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And one of the most hilarious stories..

a Rich spoiled man, lost control of his horses AND carriage.. as they ran at max speed towards the abyss.. supposedly the horses got loose and the carriage barely managed to stop by the precipice.
The man built this chapel with the name of "the miracle". or "Capilla del Santo Cristo de la Salud (saint Christ of health)
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There was a small park on the right of this chapel,full of very violent and hungry doves.
He told us that the birds can even attack you to get food (including perching and poking your face and hair). Which I witnessed (lots of doves attacking the shoes of a tourist lol). It was a goofy scene that would merit a space in the movie BIRDS.


After this spot, we turned left. This area had excellent view of the bay. and as well another interesting story.
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(ps,god bless our hats.. the sun was burning!)

Anyway the story..
There were 2 houses next to each other, with a small separation between them.
A homeless man took claim of that space and built one of the smallest houses in the world.
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The house currently is close for renovations and they claim it will be a museum. The house has 3 floors and only has like.. 1 meter of width but with a lot of depth and height.

There was some buildings with very nice details..
including this one, which was supposedly one of the best restaurants of old San Juan.
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Now have a Monstrous Panorama!

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Note the remnants of the Walls still visible and holding steady.
This one has a well maintained garita.
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Then it was time to return to the car. Because we were going to get to CASTILLO SAN CRISTOBAL.

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The way down was very pleasant, again more fountains, sculptures and old fort walls.



Some random Photos of the same area:

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Tune in for Part 2!
 
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Gabe1

Ivory Tower Squabble EST 2011. WINDMILL SURVIVOR
Are you superstitious about the Cubs at all? My husband is and I think he is going to freak out a little when he sees the Sports Illustrated cover featuring the Cubs. When they had the Bears on the cover during the playoffs or going into the Super Bowl, the Bears lost and he was convinced that SI had jinxed the Bears.

Did your husband hear what happened today???? :jawdrop::jawdrop::jawdrop::jawdrop::jawdrop::jawdrop::jawdrop:

The direct descendant of the goat, (the curse of the Billy Goat) came to visit WGN Radio Studio's at Tribune Towers in Chicago as an invited guest with owner of the famous Billy Goat Tavern. I'm sure your hubby knows the Curse story. Well The Tribune Towers were sold recently but WGN still broadcasts from there but security stopped the goat from entering (sound very very familiar???) Calls were made but no luck. They did the interview outdoors but everyone is freak'n cause it is a deja vu moment with the curse of the goat. Now everyone is trying to discuss with new owners to reconsider letting the goat in to bring good karma again. Been an interesting afternoon listening to the goat karma.
 

Gabe1

Ivory Tower Squabble EST 2011. WINDMILL SURVIVOR
Are you superstitious about the Cubs at all? My husband is and I think he is going to freak out a little when he sees the Sports Illustrated cover featuring the Cubs. When they had the Bears on the cover during the playoffs or going into the Super Bowl, the Bears lost and he was convinced that SI had jinxed the Bears.

Did your husband hear what happened today???? :jawdrop::jawdrop::jawdrop::jawdrop::jawdrop::jawdrop::jawdrop:

The direct descendant of the goat, (the curse of the Billy Goat) came to visit WGN Radio Studio's at Tribune Towers in Chicago as an invited guest with owner of the famous Billy Goat Tavern. I'm sure your hubby knows the Curse story. Well The Tribune Towers were sold recently but WGN still broadcasts from there but security stopped the goat from entering (sound very very familiar???) Calls were made but no luck. They did the interview outdoors but everyone is freak'n cause it is a deja vu moment with the curse of the goat. Now everyone is trying to discuss with new owners to reconsider letting the goat in to bring good karma again. Been an interesting afternoon listening to the goat karma.
 

Gabe1

Ivory Tower Squabble EST 2011. WINDMILL SURVIVOR
You and @Gabe1 know so many craft facts. I don't know any of these. Sometimes I think we're all living in parallel universes where your daily "world" is similar, yet different from "my" silly world. o_O :p

Thank you.

Yeah, my Gran taught me to sew. She was a seamstress when she immigrated here in a sweatshop. I'm good, she was awesome and didn't have the sewing machines back then that we do.

I was still in Preschool clothes when I went to first grade and my Uniform Jumper was huge. She cut it apart and remade it so they fit cause she didn't want me looking like an orphan. :inlove:
 

Cesar R M

Well-Known Member
SAN JUAN, PR, Part 2

September 7, Part 2

The Castillo of San Cristobal was indeed HUGE.
Unfortunately for some dumb bureaucratic movement. Carlitos could not enter the fort to give us a full tour.
He just gave us tips and we went our way.

There was a pretty big line (moving fast) purchasing tickets for the national site.

There were some infographics there and here, as well as some of the canons and a miniature of the entire of San Cristobal.
As well some restored weapons and armors of the first era of spanish soldiers (conquistadores style).

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There was 2 ways. One was a very long tunnel going upwards to the main ramparts and center of the castle.
And stairs to get to the top position first.
We decided to go up to check the canon lines and fortress walls of the East side. Facing the main batteries of San Cristobal.
San Cristobal was built mainly to contain attacks from the land, Because El Morro had failed to prevent the city of San Juan from being pillaged and burned.. twice (even if they fully detained the invasion).

DSC_6327_DxOFULL.jpgfirst floor walls, facing south (towards the inner bay area and docks area)

Now the awesome parts.. the Artillery and canon walls.

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That is the small entrance towards the stairs.
Note the 3 floors of artillery walls and the newer more modern WW2 style spotting tower/bunker built on top of the third floor.

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East battery , looking towards the north west. (facing the main second floor artillery area that onlooks to the sea).

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One of the Canon "faces". on the wall, looking at the 1st and 2nd lines of defense on the east. (The Castillo had a lot of triangular positions, mostly facing the east to repel land attacks.

You can check most of the Castillo de San Cristobal from the sky using google view:

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Castillo+de+San+Cristóbal/@18.4675559,-66.1098591,405m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m12!1m6!3m5!1s0x0:0x56705a5ded94517e!2sVerde+Mesa!8m2!3d18.4639818!4d-66.1170101!3m4!1s0x0:0xd3e509b95577256d!8m2!3d18.4674182!4d-66.1112253?hl=en

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another shot, a bit blurry. From the second triangle facing the north (towards la garita del diablo, which is hidden behind these walls on the left).

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This is one of the "tunnels" that connect between areas of the fort. There is a tiny entrance on the wall between the second triangle and the main second floor of canons.

This floor included torture room (prisoner room). The polvorin (gunpowder) and other things.
One of the saddest things I seen is.. there were a lot .. and I mean ALOT OF DBAGS who wrote their names, proposed their love and pretty much disfigured and damaged these 300+ year old walls with dumb graffiti. And it was in a lot of languages.
They even had to put plastic protection to the walls. So these dumb people didnt damaged the original paintings and writings of one of the most famous prisoners (A Spanish captain if I remember correctly).

There were also multiple stairs, some hidden featuring very well reinforced rooms with no windows. Probably to store food and other stuff.

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This is the main courtyard of the Fort/Castle.
Includes wells, torture rooms, main offices, barracks.

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My mother dearest posing with one of the spanish Musketeers information thingies.

Another view of the Courtyard.
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The tall buildings on the left are the main barracks and Also the third floor of artillery.

I decided to go up to check the view while my mother was busy reading the information areas.
Note that most of the information is repeated in BOTH forts. so you do not have to read ALL the info-graphics.

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My first was to check out the Bunker.
One of the bunkers had 2 floors, the second floor was obviously sealed completely. Kinda dangerous to go up in a decrepit and falling apart metal stairs.

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This was looking towards the East. viewing the second floor battery.

The opposite view... facing towards EL MORRO.
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Main Battery panorama (first floor artillery level)
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Another angle: http://i.imgur.com/5kO4Fcm.jpg


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Looking down from the third floor towards the courtyard in the main ramp.
You could easily see the entire of San Juan from the Artillery third floor area.

View towards EL MORRO from the top of the ramp area.
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Yours truly waving from the top!
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Using my superzoom 150-600mm to get a closer view of El Morro from San Felipe.
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Panorama!
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My mother posing towards one of the entrances that face the docking area.


Time was running out so we decided to take another route to return.
My mother complained that we didn't know where it will go.
I kept insisting not to worry, we can always return to where we was.

Not needed to worry in the end, as the tunnel did lead right to the gift shop. Where I diligently bought my fridge magnet.

tune in tomorrow for SAN FELIPE EL MORRO in part 3 of Day 7 (San Juan PR).
 
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Gabe1

Ivory Tower Squabble EST 2011. WINDMILL SURVIVOR
I watched a little bit of one of the broadcasts on Facebook. I liked the parade but have grown tired of it. The music is fantastic though. In high school we played Barque Hoedown in band and that always made my day better because I would spend the rest of the day thinking of Disney.

Slowly but surely....

Awe, I love old Disney memories too. Old enough to have different Era memories from being little at Disneyland, then WDW to going with just my Mom as an adult-girls trip, young adult in Disneyland, no parents, with kids and now with kids as young adults.
All bring happy memories. And yep, someday they'll all be loaded.
 

Gabe1

Ivory Tower Squabble EST 2011. WINDMILL SURVIVOR
Pups are so wonderful, that unconditional love is something really special. I know how you feel about Walt, I miss my Henry everyday and it has been almost 2 years. I know he was a dog, but he saw me through a lot of low points.

Yes, that pretty well sums it up right. I've kept each of their collars and leashes, my own little flashback in time.
 

Gabe1

Ivory Tower Squabble EST 2011. WINDMILL SURVIVOR
It will still make a great gift. You cubs fans have been through a lot and know how to be proud of your team no matter what. Hubby is a cubs fan and he is eager for the game tonight too.

My son is in NOLA His hotel is not showing the game nor is it available in room. So they are out at a Sports Bar and being a Monday night they close at 10pm. They announced last call, the patrons boo'd. They are still open.
 

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