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MinnieM123

Premium Member
So...downer post...

Grandma passed on Sunday evening in NJ.

Yes, “lobster gravy” Grandma. Some of you will get that. She was the best person in my life (for my whole life. Brian got here much later!) She broke the rules and let everyone know I was her favorite.

Services are tomorrow morning, and I “can’t” go. I planned to skirt the FL>NJ quarantine by flying into another state and driving the rest of the way. I know I’m healthy, the only risk was getting pulled over. Fine.

Long story short (and sad) my younger brother is paranoid about the virus (so am I, I have asthma) but to an extreme degree. He talked my mother into it being a bad idea for me to go. She didn’t forbid it, but her intentions were clear.

I’m respecting that, but I’m all kinds of furious (and kind of devastated.) Took me this long to post anything. I’ll probably explode on the political thread later.

At this minute, I can’t see bothering with the family again. (This is just another thing in a long line of things.)

They can apologize in two weeks when I’m still not sick, but I can never get that day back.

Please accept my condolences on the passing of your beloved grandma. So sorry that this additional sadness has fallen in your direction in 2020. I'm trying to think of words to say here, but the best I can do is say that your friends here grieve with you.
 

Songbird76

Well-Known Member
So...downer post...

Grandma passed on Sunday evening in NJ.

Yes, “lobster gravy” Grandma. Some of you will get that. She was the best person in my life (for my whole life. Brian got here much later!) She broke the rules and let everyone know I was her favorite.

Services are tomorrow morning, and I “can’t” go. I planned to skirt the FL>NJ quarantine by flying into another state and driving the rest of the way. I know I’m healthy, the only risk was getting pulled over. Fine.

Long story short (and sad) my younger brother is paranoid about the virus (so am I, I have asthma) but to an extreme degree. He talked my mother into it being a bad idea for me to go. She didn’t forbid it, but her intentions were clear.

I’m respecting that, but I’m all kinds of furious (and kind of devastated.) Took me this long to post anything. I’ll probably explode on the political thread later.

At this minute, I can’t see bothering with the family again. (This is just another thing in a long line of things.)

They can apologize in two weeks when I’m still not sick, but I can never get that day back.
Oh I'm so sorry! I know you've mentioned her before, that you were really close, and I'm sorry you can't be there to say goodbye. Can you maybe plan your own private memorial, just a moment where you can look at pictures and remember her in your own way, however you choose? I know it's not the same, but it sounds like you need that moment, and it doesn't necessarily have to be when and how your family decides.
 

ajrwdwgirl

Premium Member
So...downer post...

Grandma passed on Sunday evening in NJ.

Yes, “lobster gravy” Grandma. Some of you will get that. She was the best person in my life (for my whole life. Brian got here much later!) She broke the rules and let everyone know I was her favorite.

Services are tomorrow morning, and I “can’t” go. I planned to skirt the FL>NJ quarantine by flying into another state and driving the rest of the way. I know I’m healthy, the only risk was getting pulled over. Fine.

Long story short (and sad) my younger brother is paranoid about the virus (so am I, I have asthma) but to an extreme degree. He talked my mother into it being a bad idea for me to go. She didn’t forbid it, but her intentions were clear.

I’m respecting that, but I’m all kinds of furious (and kind of devastated.) Took me this long to post anything. I’ll probably explode on the political thread later.

At this minute, I can’t see bothering with the family again. (This is just another thing in a long line of things.)

They can apologize in two weeks when I’m still not sick, but I can never get that day back.

So sorry to hear of your grandmother's passing. It is heartbreaking to not be able to go. It's not the same of course but maybe you and Brian could do something to honor her tomorrow instead, maybe make her favorite meal (or beverage) or even look at pictures and remember the wonderful moments you had of her. :(
 

93boomer

Premium Member
So...downer post...

Grandma passed on Sunday evening in NJ.

Yes, “lobster gravy” Grandma. Some of you will get that. She was the best person in my life (for my whole life. Brian got here much later!) She broke the rules and let everyone know I was her favorite.

Services are tomorrow morning, and I “can’t” go. I planned to skirt the FL>NJ quarantine by flying into another state and driving the rest of the way. I know I’m healthy, the only risk was getting pulled over. Fine.

Long story short (and sad) my younger brother is paranoid about the virus (so am I, I have asthma) but to an extreme degree. He talked my mother into it being a bad idea for me to go. She didn’t forbid it, but her intentions were clear.

I’m respecting that, but I’m all kinds of furious (and kind of devastated.) Took me this long to post anything. I’ll probably explode on the political thread later.

At this minute, I can’t see bothering with the family again. (This is just another thing in a long line of things.)

They can apologize in two weeks when I’m still not sick, but I can never get that day back.
I am so sorry! Hugs and pixie dust!❤️
 

donaldtoo

Well-Known Member
So...downer post...

Grandma passed on Sunday evening in NJ.

Yes, “lobster gravy” Grandma. Some of you will get that. She was the best person in my life (for my whole life. Brian got here much later!) She broke the rules and let everyone know I was her favorite.

Services are tomorrow morning, and I “can’t” go. I planned to skirt the FL>NJ quarantine by flying into another state and driving the rest of the way. I know I’m healthy, the only risk was getting pulled over. Fine.

Long story short (and sad) my younger brother is paranoid about the virus (so am I, I have asthma) but to an extreme degree. He talked my mother into it being a bad idea for me to go. She didn’t forbid it, but her intentions were clear.

I’m respecting that, but I’m all kinds of furious (and kind of devastated.) Took me this long to post anything. I’ll probably explode on the political thread later.

At this minute, I can’t see bothering with the family again. (This is just another thing in a long line of things.)

They can apologize in two weeks when I’m still not sick, but I can never get that day back.

My sincerest condolences.
Very sorry to hear you are unable to attend her service.
Probably already been asked, but, can someone attending video some of it for you or FaceTime with you...?
 

Tony the Tigger

Well-Known Member
Sorry. They can't even Zoom the services for you?
My sincerest condolences.
Very sorry to hear you are unable to attend her service.
Probably already been asked, but, can someone attending video some of it for you or FaceTime with you...?
I think it’s hostile at this point.

My family has issues. Always has. You know how some families are kinda messed up but they’ll do anything for each other? That’s not us. My mother has let me down at so many big, important moments, I don’t know why I ever expected any different.

My Grandma was my champion. She was always on my side. She always made me feel better when my mother acted nuts. She can’t do that anymore. I’m so grateful for her, and for having her around so long. Without her, I would probably have ended up a total disaster. By rights, I should have been. She was my stability, my grounding, my self-confidence, and my confirmation that I lived in a messed up house - and that wasn’t my fault.

If you go by the stages of grief - and I was as prepared for this as I could have been - my “denial” phase lasted until my head hit the pillow Sunday night, and I broke down. For the last 24 hours, it’s been furious anger - mostly because of my family. (And yes, I blame our leaders for this situation in the first place.)

But I can’t think of anything to say to my mother or my brother right now that would not be cruel and cause irreparable harm. I honestly don’t want to put anymore on my mother as she is burying her mother. But excluding me for BS reasons is beyond the pale.

I’m not going to ask them to transmit it. And I’m scheduled at work at that hour.

Thanks for all your messages. We’re not dealing with normal family dynamics here. I hope they don’t even text me. All I can think of to say back is “no forgiveness.” That won’t do well.
 

epcotisbest

Well-Known Member
I think it’s hostile at this point.

My family has issues. Always has. You know how some families are kinda messed up but they’ll do anything for each other? That’s not us. My mother has let me down at so many big, important moments, I don’t know why I ever expected any different.

My Grandma was my champion. She was always on my side. She always made me feel better when my mother acted nuts. She can’t do that anymore. I’m so grateful for her, and for having her around so long. Without her, I would probably have ended up a total disaster. By rights, I should have been. She was my stability, my grounding, my self-confidence, and my confirmation that I lived in a messed up house - and that wasn’t my fault.

If you go by the stages of grief - and I was as prepared for this as I could have been - my “denial” phase lasted until my head hit the pillow Sunday night, and I broke down. For the last 24 hours, it’s been furious anger - mostly because of my family. (And yes, I blame our leaders for this situation in the first place.)

But I can’t think of anything to say to my mother or my brother right now that would not be cruel and cause irreparable harm. I honestly don’t want to put anymore on my mother as she is burying her mother. But excluding me for BS reasons is beyond the pale.

I’m not going to ask them to transmit it. And I’m scheduled at work at that hour.

Thanks for all your messages. We’re not dealing with normal family dynamics here. I hope they don’t even text me. All I can think of to say back is “no forgiveness.” That won’t do well.

I truly wish I had some insightful words that would help with what you are going through, but have only this...you are not alone in your grief and there are people here sending prayers your way.
For what it is worth, sometimes I wonder if my prayers make it past the ceiling, but since I have not stopped praying I guess deep down I believe they do and hope they offer some comfort.
 

StarWarsGirl

Well-Known Member
In the Parks
No
I think it’s hostile at this point.

My family has issues. Always has. You know how some families are kinda messed up but they’ll do anything for each other? That’s not us. My mother has let me down at so many big, important moments, I don’t know why I ever expected any different.

My Grandma was my champion. She was always on my side. She always made me feel better when my mother acted nuts. She can’t do that anymore. I’m so grateful for her, and for having her around so long. Without her, I would probably have ended up a total disaster. By rights, I should have been. She was my stability, my grounding, my self-confidence, and my confirmation that I lived in a messed up house - and that wasn’t my fault.

If you go by the stages of grief - and I was as prepared for this as I could have been - my “denial” phase lasted until my head hit the pillow Sunday night, and I broke down. For the last 24 hours, it’s been furious anger - mostly because of my family. (And yes, I blame our leaders for this situation in the first place.)

But I can’t think of anything to say to my mother or my brother right now that would not be cruel and cause irreparable harm. I honestly don’t want to put anymore on my mother as she is burying her mother. But excluding me for BS reasons is beyond the pale.

I’m not going to ask them to transmit it. And I’m scheduled at work at that hour.

Thanks for all your messages. We’re not dealing with normal family dynamics here. I hope they don’t even text me. All I can think of to say back is “no forgiveness.” That won’t do well.
Ugh. I can empathize with your situation a bit. My mom had nothing to do with her parents for 25 years, after they decided that they hated my father and refused to come to her wedding when she was 19 years old. We nicknamed my grandmother the Wicked Witch of the West. I think you missed my post a few pages back where I basically addressed her as "Grandmother" not "Grandmommy" like my cousins did, and now I refer to her as Mildred (she's since passed away). Same thing in my family; my great grandmother (my mom's maternal grandmother) and my great grandfather stepped up for my mom. My great grandfather died when I was two, but my great grandmother was the one who was at dance recitals, family dinners, etc until she passed away when I was 13. The only difference is that my grandfather has since seen the error of his ways since my grandmother passed away, my uncle is rather self-centered, but when I needed a jump start on my car at 11 pm, he was there, and my grandmother's sisters all thought she was nuts. My mom's sister is equally nuts as my grandmother is; no one speaks to her. I barely have anything to do with that side of the family; I'm close to my aunt and my grandma on my dad's side of the family.

So sorry for your loss. You're not alone when it comes to dealing with crazy relatives.
 

Tony the Tigger

Well-Known Member
We nicknamed my grandmother the Wicked Witch of the West.

Funny - that's what I was calling myself today.

When I spoke with my mother yesterday evening, she was saying on the one hand that I should think of other people besides myself, rather than "because you want to see Grandma." OTOH, she was saying she can't stop me from coming (to absolve herself of responsibility of basically telling me not to come.)

I said to Brian, "Oh, sure! So I can just show up in a red cloud like the Wicked Witch of the West and everyone scatters."

I thought you might relate on family stuff based on previous posts.

I don't think they even realize what they're doing. My mother kept saying, "I don't understand why you're taking it personally."

Really?

Because in this case, for this particular funeral - they should clear the room for me if I want to go. Or any other lame person who is afraid of me because I'm coming from the dreaded Florida, they can stay home. Because only two people rate higher than I do in that room, and that's my mother and her sister. Everyone else can stay the heck home for all I care. It's limited to 25 people, anyway.

I don't think they realize there is no forgiveness for this. And I am far more calm now than I was this morning.

I have no reason to ever set foot in New Jersey again.
 

StarWarsGirl

Well-Known Member
In the Parks
No
Funny - that's what I was calling myself today.

When I spoke with my mother yesterday evening, she was saying on the one hand that I should think of other people besides myself, rather than "because you want to see Grandma." OTOH, she was saying she can't stop me from coming (to absolve herself of responsibility of basically telling me not to come.)

I said to Brian, "Oh, sure! So I can just show up in a red cloud like the Wicked Witch of the West and everyone scatters."

I thought you might relate on family stuff based on previous posts.

I don't think they even realize what they're doing. My mother kept saying, "I don't understand why you're taking it personally."

Really?

Because in this case, for this particular funeral - they should clear the room for me if I want to go. Or any other lame person who is afraid of me because I'm coming from the dreaded Florida, they can stay home. Because only two people rate higher than I do in that room, and that's my mother and her sister. Everyone else can stay the heck home for all I care. It's limited to 25 people, anyway.

I don't think they realize there is no forgiveness for this. And I am far more calm now than I was this morning.

I have no reason to ever set foot in New Jersey again.
The fact is that they could have found a way for you to be there, even if one of them carried an iPad in so you could be there virtually. You put aside family difficulties when a relative dies. They're just being jerks. They're not even trying to make it work. You don't need people like that in your life; that's why I have little to do with my mom's side of the family.

When my great grandmother died, all of my parents friends showed up at her viewing. My "adoptive" grandparents, my mom's two best friends and their husbands...like everyone. The most satisfying part of it was how horrified my grandmother was about it. And then my dad (who is a divorce attorney) was helping my uncle through his divorce at the time, and my grandfather came up to my father, shook his hand, and thanked him for helping my uncle through his divorce. My grandmother was also horrified.

Between my mom's two siblings and my dad's four siblings, my parents and my dad's younger half brother and his wife and the only ones in the family still married to their original spouses, and my parents have been married almost 35 years, so I think my mom knew what she was doing.

Funny thing, I have a second cousin who used to work at my former company, so we used to have lunch together. She stopped showing up to family get togethers with all the aunts and the second cousins a while back (I officially stopped showing up last year, although I do keep in touch with my grandfather, uncle, and the aunts), but we're close in age and have kept in touch over the years (and also because we count ourselves among the normal people in the family). She finally told me why she stopped showing up...and you guessed it. The problem was Mildred before she died and one of my idiot first cousins (the one who is now a heroin addict). My cousin is three years older than her and they were 10 and 13 at the time. I don't remember the exact details, but it ended with Mildred screaming at her. She told me the story and admitted she didn't want to tell me because it was my grandmother...I'm like, why would I be upset! I didn't like the woman either!
 

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