tl77
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Yeah I liked it too for the pepper's ghost, didn't also have an awesome model of Epcot in it as well?
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Rumor Stitch's Great Escape Replacement— Don’t Hold Your Breath
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Maeryk
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Man.. I remember something on the overheads showing what the computers all connected to, but the song and dance was just him jumping around and singing on a bunch of bigarsed Sperry units and platter drive enclosures, IIRC.
tl77
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at the risk of going way off topic... I might be thinking of the show that replaced Astuter Computer, with Ham and Egg from the Kitchen Cabaret, but my dad worked for Sperry back then and we got to hang out in their tiny corporate lounge before the show and they gave us a bunch of SMRT-1 swag like this wind-up guy that lives on my desk now, that was kind of a special show for us
Maeryk
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That is awesome!
I still have very vivid memories of the population clock, the coaster design computers, and, oddly, the carpets.
Astuter Computer and Backstage Magic both had Ham n Eggz.
CJR
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People have died as a result of Disney's mismanagement before. Big Thunder's 2003 (Disneyland) derailment comes to mind. Disney's far from perfect.
This raises the age-old question: which came first, the IP or the movie?
What's so great about "original" IP? The Haunted Mansion backstories are a giant mess. The original pirates told no story (and remember how important it is for a ride to tell a story?). The Country Bears show Southerners (Hillbillies) as deformed in-bred hicks with man-hungry women. The Tiki Room has exaggerated national stereotypes and a big helping of that ol' 50's Mad Men mentality of ogling the ladies <growl, growl, growl, wink, wink, wink>.
I'm not saying original IPs are bad, but they're not inherently good, either, simply because they're original IPs. And think of all the most beloved of attractions that are based on IPs (whether originated with Disney or not): Tower of Terror; Peter Pan; Mr. Toad; Splash Mountain.
We're back to: There are good uses of ________; and there are bad uses of ________.
Fill it in with: screens, AAs, established movie IPs, original IPs.
I'm not saying original IPs are bad, but they're not inherently good, either, simply because they're original IPs. And think of all the most beloved of attractions that are based on IPs (whether originated with Disney or not): Tower of Terror; Peter Pan; Mr. Toad; Splash Mountain.
We're back to: There are good uses of ________; and there are bad uses of ________.
Fill it in with: screens, AAs, established movie IPs, original IPs.
Sarcasm?
Horizons '83
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- In the Parks
- No
I’m leaning towards yes.
geekza
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Neither HM nor Pirates had a plot, but they both have a story.
In the Mansion's case, you are entering a haunted house where you find yourself trapped, with the only way out being to go all the way through it. Your living presence stirs up the ghosts, who become more and more active until the result is a rousing party at the end. As you exit through the crypt, you think you're safe, but are informed that a ghost is going to follow you home and you, like everything else that has lived on the planet, will be joining the spirit world sooner than you think.
With the original Pirates, you are taking a leisurely boat ride and find yourself in a cave that was once inhabited by pirates. You are sucked through a portal and end up back in time where you witness the pirates from the cave ransacking a town. In the final scene, the pirates have set fire to the town, accidentally setting fire to the town's arsenal, which blows up. You escape back through the portal and are safely back in the present. Now, the introduction of the movie crap kind of ruined that story and the WDW version, built quickly and in a much-smaller space, never had a full story. With that said, even it kept most of the story intact until the movie crap was inserted.
A story doesn't necessarily mean a detailed plot.
In the Mansion's case, you are entering a haunted house where you find yourself trapped, with the only way out being to go all the way through it. Your living presence stirs up the ghosts, who become more and more active until the result is a rousing party at the end. As you exit through the crypt, you think you're safe, but are informed that a ghost is going to follow you home and you, like everything else that has lived on the planet, will be joining the spirit world sooner than you think.
With the original Pirates, you are taking a leisurely boat ride and find yourself in a cave that was once inhabited by pirates. You are sucked through a portal and end up back in time where you witness the pirates from the cave ransacking a town. In the final scene, the pirates have set fire to the town, accidentally setting fire to the town's arsenal, which blows up. You escape back through the portal and are safely back in the present. Now, the introduction of the movie crap kind of ruined that story and the WDW version, built quickly and in a much-smaller space, never had a full story. With that said, even it kept most of the story intact until the movie crap was inserted.
A story doesn't necessarily mean a detailed plot.
WondersOfLife
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As someone who lives and travels throughout very rural South Carolina.... I can confirm that this show is accurate in depicting those true stereotypes.
baymenxpac
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very quick thought on the space mountain safety nugget:
i think it's interesting that disney continues to show through their actions that they operate like practically every other american corporation that prioritizes profit and shareholder value above all else, yet when presented with insider knowledge that space mountain isn't the sturdiest attraction (and considering how long it's gone without a track replacement...duh), people default to the *brand identity* disney has cultivated throughout the years. "how do you know?!?! that's a BIG CHARGE!" even assuming that legal wouldn't let the ride operate if it was unsafe is a leap in logic when one considers that we see corporations all around the country skirting environmental, tax, and at times, criminal law in the quest of a profit.
how many times does this company need to create upcharge events (or in MVMCP's case, an upcharge event within upcharge event), flake on routine maintenance, or hike prices to get people to see that yes, we all have very good experiences at disney parks and are, to varying degrees, consumers of the #brand. but that doesn't mean that all of its actions as a company are automatically altruistic.
i think it's interesting that disney continues to show through their actions that they operate like practically every other american corporation that prioritizes profit and shareholder value above all else, yet when presented with insider knowledge that space mountain isn't the sturdiest attraction (and considering how long it's gone without a track replacement...duh), people default to the *brand identity* disney has cultivated throughout the years. "how do you know?!?! that's a BIG CHARGE!" even assuming that legal wouldn't let the ride operate if it was unsafe is a leap in logic when one considers that we see corporations all around the country skirting environmental, tax, and at times, criminal law in the quest of a profit.
how many times does this company need to create upcharge events (or in MVMCP's case, an upcharge event within upcharge event), flake on routine maintenance, or hike prices to get people to see that yes, we all have very good experiences at disney parks and are, to varying degrees, consumers of the #brand. but that doesn't mean that all of its actions as a company are automatically altruistic.
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The history of the Mansion with infighting and back-and-forth between Walt and various imagineers on whether to make this scary or silly and what the story is, is well documented, e.g., the raven was supposed to be hosting your journey, but then, nope. And so, we have a raven just chilling out in a bunch of scenes adding nothing to the narrative. Lots of hands have tried to impose a plot including the Eddie Murphy movie. It's just a montage of haunted house scenes. A really good one. But the overall IP doesn't have a cogent narrative that accounts for all the scenes.
Imagine if Disney had made a really good kids' silly-scary haunted mansion movie long ago (real life or animated) and then the Haunted Mansion was based on that? It would have made the ride better, IMO.
The MK version of PotC lacks any hint of a portal since the queue begins with you being in piratey times. The drop isn't associated with anything related to a narrative or anything at all. If later refurbs killed the original original story... oh well. I don't remember the portal story from my youth.
Here's an original IP ride: Superstar Limousine. Let's have more of that!
Hatbox Ghostbuster
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If we're talking original IP attractions, I'd rather have more classic Figment and Dreamfinders, more (better updated) Horizons, Big Thunder Mountains, Expedition Everests, and The Living Seas.The history of the Mansion with infighting and back-and-forth between Walt and various imagineers on whether to make this scary or silly and what the story is, is well documented, e.g., the raven was supposed to be hosting your journey, but then, nope. And so, we have a raven just chilling out in a bunch of scenes adding nothing to the narrative. Lots of hands have tried to impose a plot including the Eddie Murphy movie. It's just a montage of haunted house scenes. A really good one. But the overall IP doesn't have a cogent narrative that accounts for all the scenes.
Imagine if Disney had made a really good kids' silly-scary haunted mansion movie long ago (real life or animated) and then the Haunted Mansion was based on that? It would have made the ride better, IMO.
The MK version of PotC lacks any hint of a portal since the queue begins with you being in piratey times. The drop isn't associated with anything related to a narrative or anything at all. If later refurbs killed the original original story... oh well. I don't remember the portal story from my youth.
Here's an original IP ride: Superstar Limousine. Let's have more of that!
Indeed, there are good original IP rides and bad original IP rides.
Being an original IP is no guarantee of a good story or a good ride.
Hatbox Ghostbuster
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Perhaps not, but it at least shows they're trying to be creative again.
No to PM, but I've seen the video, it looks like an excellent ride with a cohesive story. Original IP can be done well. I'm not saying it can't. It's not a guarantee of a good ride, though.
In the MK version of PotC, you're already in piratey times before you drop, no? Is the skeleton piloting the ship modern times?