DisneyPrincess5
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Wow, what happened to the place "where parents and the children can have fun together" I wonder?
Haha...I know, right? I always wonder what Walt would think about everything presently.
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Stitch and Tomorrowland=what do they have in common?
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Haha...I know, right? I always wonder what Walt would think about everything presently.
raven
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Yes, I know they are Disney characters. That wasn't my point and I never said it was a problem. The point is that the current Tomorrowland is a stretch from it's theme just to fit these into the area. Just because they are Disney characters doesn't mean they automatically should just be stuck anywhere in the park.
If this is going to be the excuse then we should expect to see Adventureland get The Incredibles...after all it's an adventure movie isn't it?
Jasonflz
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Probably this. :hurl::hurl::hurl::hurl::hurl::hurl::hurl::hurl:
lilclerk
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I think they were referring to The Submarine Voyage which was in Tomorrowland in Disneyland.
jakeman
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Why promote a bomb, or something that is almost a generation old?- Treasure Planet (would love to solar surf through space) Tanked at the box office
- Tron (Peoplemover super speed tunnel at DL was/is not enough IMO) Over 20 years old. If the sequel ever makes it out, then I can give you that one.
- The Black Hole Over 20 years old and not popular
- The Rocketeer (perfect for MK's 1930s-40s futurism) 15-ish years old, set in the past
- 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea (nice bridging element between Fantasyland and Tomorrowland, same would be true for Island at the Top of the World) 35+ years old
- Flight of the Navigator 20+ years old
- Atlantis Tanked at the box officer (although I did enjoy it, the PG rating killed it)
Elements/themes form these movies and others could be used. Disney has an amazing cataloge of titles but only cares for about 1/10th tops. Interesting ideas well executed are never as good as box office returns/merchandising possibilities right? And there's no way you can educate the public or create interest in them through the parks right?
I find the last comment funny because they did make new characters and stories for Tomorrowland, and then got rid of them. Originality is SO 1994.
Edit: I wouldn't mind Stitch if his attraction was not just plain stupid. The technology is there, but it's very poorly used IMO.
One thing I do agree on, in my opinion, based on nothing more than my observation, Stitch has/had the potential to be a great ride, but it was quite obvious that it was either underfunded or mismanaged.
It is the AE room and them with a cartoon alien in the middle. To pull off what they were going for, they really need to, at the very least, redo the chairs and shoulder restraints to something more cartoony.
To the general public (myself included) anything "spacey" fits into Tomorrowland. I don't think that's really a bad thing. This includes lasers, space travel, and portals. Splitting hairs over "how" far into the future seems awfully petty.
Animaniac93-98
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Treasure Planet flopped at the box office because of an intentionally poor marketing campaign ($40 million, and did you know it was playing in IMAX?), but since has developed a big cult following. Care to look at Deviantart or imdb boards?
The fact that a sequel is even begin made for Tron shows that it certainly has enough following to justify the production budget. Played Kingdom Hearts 2?
The Rocketeer is certainly not forgotten by those who like Tron and comic book fans who feel it's under-rated.
20,000 Leagues is 55 years old and still gets merchandise made for it by Disney. DVD is begin re-packaged for Christmas.
The Black Cauldron and Newsies got VHS/DVD releases because of fan petitions.
I'm not saying make The Watcher and the Woods into a ride but it wouldn't kill Disney to use a concept or two from thier vast catalouge of titles because it would make an interesting experience.
Going through a black hole, trvaeling underwater in a submarine, seeing the insdie of a computer, solar surfing through space, flying to the north pole etc. wouldn't it be fun? Must every good Disney ride have the ability to sell plush?
The fact that a sequel is even begin made for Tron shows that it certainly has enough following to justify the production budget. Played Kingdom Hearts 2?
The Rocketeer is certainly not forgotten by those who like Tron and comic book fans who feel it's under-rated.
20,000 Leagues is 55 years old and still gets merchandise made for it by Disney. DVD is begin re-packaged for Christmas.
The Black Cauldron and Newsies got VHS/DVD releases because of fan petitions.
I'm not saying make The Watcher and the Woods into a ride but it wouldn't kill Disney to use a concept or two from thier vast catalouge of titles because it would make an interesting experience.
Going through a black hole, trvaeling underwater in a submarine, seeing the insdie of a computer, solar surfing through space, flying to the north pole etc. wouldn't it be fun? Must every good Disney ride have the ability to sell plush?
BradleyJay
New Member
The Addtion if the Two Animatronics, as well as the 4 Cannon Robot Arms was anythign but Cheep.
The Biggest Problem with the attraction for me is the script.
A decent Script, could go a long way to improving the show.
jonnyc
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Maybe one day we will all drive around at 1mph not being able to go another route than one detirmed by a metal line...
...damn government.
Very good point, the ride is actually themed mostly around the cartoon which is set in the future and he isn't a toy in it, he is an actual Space Ranger.
materbuddy
Active Member
I love SGE and I think that Stitch is a great character. People need to give the little guy a chance.
imagineer boy
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I don't hate the Stitch character, and I really liked the Lilo and Stitch movie, but what most of us don't like is how Disney has over marketed the character to the extent where one is sick of him.
WDWFREAK53
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You forgot two "biggies" that are even more recent.
1. Wall*E
2. Meet the Robinsons (heck, designing Tomorrowland around this movie would be awesome! Space Mountain is a great start! It was in the movie!)
Figment632
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Tron: nobody under the age of 20 remebers this
The Blackhole: Never heard of it but dont think most people know what it is
Atlantis was on of the biggest flops ever.
As much as I hate SGE and wan MILF moverd to DHS there are know other charcacters that people remeber that would work.
Animaniac93-98
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Lol. anyone who thinks Tron is not remembered needs to get their heads out of the sand. They are making a sequel to an movie released over 25 years ago. If nobody remembered why would they do it? Have you seen the sticky thread on blu-ray.com about people wanting it released? Have you played any of the video games or KH2? Have you seen the 20th anniversary DVD?
Ditto goes for Nightmare Before Christmas.
I'm gonna slap the next person who fails to get my concept of thinking outside the box and taking CONCEPTS and IDEAS from titles. I'm not saying make The Gnome Mobile: Jasper's Revenge! into a park experience. I'm saying that there are plenty of sources of inspiration for Disney attractions and the executives who greenlight projects have zero imagination beyond potential merchandising sales makes sure that only a handful of Disney tiles get representation.
And yes, Atlantis was a flop, that's why it made $66 million in profit from it's worldwide ticket sales. The profits might have been bigger if Disney animators in California wern't so overpaid, but that's another story better told in "Dream on Silly Dreamer".
Ditto goes for Nightmare Before Christmas.
I'm gonna slap the next person who fails to get my concept of thinking outside the box and taking CONCEPTS and IDEAS from titles. I'm not saying make The Gnome Mobile: Jasper's Revenge! into a park experience. I'm saying that there are plenty of sources of inspiration for Disney attractions and the executives who greenlight projects have zero imagination beyond potential merchandising sales makes sure that only a handful of Disney tiles get representation.
And yes, Atlantis was a flop, that's why it made $66 million in profit from it's worldwide ticket sales. The profits might have been bigger if Disney animators in California wern't so overpaid, but that's another story better told in "Dream on Silly Dreamer".
Animaniac93-98
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Or original concepts, like they had before.
WDWFREAK53
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DING DING DING!!! And the winner of the "Million-Dollar Question" goes to!
ORIGINAL IDEAS! The "necessity" to involve movie characters in attractions is the dumbing down of Disney.
Look at Pirates and the Haunted Mansion. Two VERY in-depth attractions...and not a single movie reference (save for the movies that came AFTER the attractions).
Thunder Mountain, Space Mountain, Carousel of Progress, etc. These are Timeless Classics...and there isn't one movie-based character to be found.
Figment632
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My point was if you are at least 20 years old like me you will remeber Tron. Kids today arent going to know what Tron is.
Animaniac93-98
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There are plenty who do, have you been to high school lately? They learn about these things through various sources (TV shows that reference them, the newly made video games, their friends who own the movie etc). How many under 20 kids like Splash Mountain and have never seen Song of the South? If it's a good attraction people will go see if, if it isn't, they won't.
It's a poor excuse as saying kids today don't know what a streetcar is so why have it in Toontown (which was recently said by some Disneyland PR nut)? People have the capacity to learn.
"Relevance" is BS compared to show quality and design appeal (on top of just begin a lazy excuse for those lacking in imagination).
Figment632
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Splash mountain works because it is a thrill ride not because of the characters. If it didnt have big drops and was a dark ride it would have failed.
I will agree with you on one thing if the Tron attraction is a good thrill ride or even if it is not but there is either something innovative or just a good attraction it will work. I just done think it will work soley on Trons name recignition.
Animaniac93-98
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Did I ever say it should? I said a well done attraction is always good no matter what or how much of it's inspiration comes from an underused property.