Star Wars: The Acolyte

networkpro

Well-Known Member
In the Parks
Yes
As long as we're talking numbers, lets talk about how much The Acolyte cost: 180 million dollars for 8 episodes or an average of $22.5 million per episode. Also take note of the drop of 5% in Star Wars merchandise sales in the parks.
 

Summary:​

The initial 1977 box office gross for "Star Wars: A New Hope" was about $475 million, with $307 million from domestic and $168 million from international markets. Re-releases in subsequent years boosted the total gross to around $775 million worldwide before considering inflation adjustments.
thanks for proving me correct i guess. Still wondering why you are even bringing this up
Here are the estimated adjusted box office numbers for the major Star Wars films, taking inflation into account:

  1. Star Wars: A New Hope (1977)
    • Original Box Office: $775 million (worldwide)
    • Adjusted for Inflation: Approximately $3.3 billion
See the difference? You said original box office 775 million. World wide from your other source says 475 with domestic original being 307 like i said.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
thanks for proving me correct i guess. Still wondering why you are even bringing this up

See the difference? You said original box office 775 million. World wide from your other source says 307 with a total of 475.
How about this:

In adjusted gross Star Wars is the second most successful movie of all time.

Simple enough?
 

erasure fan1

Well-Known Member
Because nobody with a functioning brainstem has ever questioned that empire was the best??
I'm not sure why the, everybody hated empire when it came out too! always comes up. Yes it had some pushback, but by the time Jedi was done most everyone agreed it was the best movie of the 3. By this time last jedi should be considered one of the greatest films of all time. We're what, 7yrs past last jedi? By that time empire was considered an all timer in the film world.

Of course none of it matters because RETURN OF THE JEDI is ultimate star wars. The movie that really epitomizes the look and feel of star wars. :cool:
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
I'm not sure why the, everybody hated empire when it came out too! always comes up. Yes it had some pushback, but by the time Jedi was done most everyone agreed it was the best movie of the 3. By this time last jedi should be considered one of the greatest films of all time. We're what, 7yrs past last jedi? By that time empire was considered an all timer in the film world.
Famously on this board…empire was used in an attempt to justify the drop off in gate of the last Johnson…

…unsuccessfully.

It’s all in the archives.

If these movies were made by Fox or paramount…the judgement would be far more sensible
 

CinematicFusion

Well-Known Member
A couple things I'd like to bring up from a couple things you've said in this and few other posts.

I don't think the EU was as widely beloved by all fans as you think. A lot of the EU was derided by many fans because a lot of it wasn't great. There is certainly a set of the fan base that loved it, but at least in my opinion they are a more minor set as compared to those that loved and hold the OT in revered status. And as stated by others its was never seen as canon anyways. I think some hoped that when Disney bought LFL that they would start making EU content and make it canon, there by "legitimizing" it. And that when they didn't and continued to consider it non-canon that some felt betrayed. But that is not really Disney's fault, that is setting an undue expectation that wasn't really there in the first place. And so Disney just rebranding it from "Extended Universe" to "Legends" really didn't "dismiss" anything or really changed its status in anyway.

Its funny that you've specifically brought up "Heir to the Empire" multiple times as something that you believe Disney dismissed. You must not have been paying attention or watching Ahsoka. As they pulled, and are continuing to pull, a lot of their current and future Thrawn story line directly from "Heir to the Empire", obviously not a direct retelling, but a lot of the elements. So Disney didn't dismiss it, they are actually leaning into it.

As for the rest of "Legends", Disney is leaning into this too. They will never tell every or even a most of the stories from the Legends books. But they released a whole D+ animated series dedicated to telling different non-canonical stories, called Visions. It honors that same storytelling that was in the EU that it appears you found endearing by the way you describe it. If you haven't seen it yet I suggest taking a look its really good, its on D+ and has 2 seasons now.
Thank you for your thoughtful response. I appreciate the opportunity to clarify my perspective and for sparing me from having to talk to Vicarious Fan. That guy makes me appreciate my battles with Casper. Casper can put pen to paper and form an engaging opinion, and so can you, Disney Irish. Anyway...

I think my main point was never to claim that the EU was the best Star Wars content out there. I understand it had its issues and that not all fans loved it. What really bothers me, though, is the direction Disney took with Luke in The Last Jedi. You've heard it all before—he felt like a major departure from the character I knew and loved.

Not for Casper Gutman though, no, no, no! He thought Luke in The Last Jedi was kinda awesome, almost great, but still pretty cool! Loved the character, he did, though not 'love' love, more like a strong like, you know… Monty Python :)

Anyway, having read the EU, especially the "Heir to the Empire" trilogy, I experienced Luke's continued adventures and his relationship with Mara Jade. These stories showed him as the Jedi we wanted to go on adventures with. They gave us a Luke who continued to fight for the light, rebuild the Jedi Order, and even succumb to the dark side in “Dark Empire”. This vision of Luke felt consistent with his character in the OT, and it was fun. Luke in Last Jedi... was not fun.

One of the most exciting aspects of the EU was reading about Luke as a Jedi Master—something we never saw on the big screen. For those of us who grew up with Luke as our hero, this was something we desperately wanted to see in the rumored George Lucas sequels, episodes 7, 8, and 9, if they ever happened. In the OT, Luke was always leveling up, and the idea of seeing him fully realized as a Jedi Master was thrilling.

While I appreciate that Disney is incorporating elements from the EU, like in the "Ahsoka" series with Thrawn, it doesn't fully make up for the disappointment I felt with Luke's portrayal in Last Jedi.

Reflecting on it now, I realize that my main point was really about the journey of Luke Skywalker and my own journey with that character. I'm starting to think that Star Wars for me was all about Luke and his friends, much like Harry Potter is about Harry Potter and his friends. Also, there was something magical about one man who created these stories and shared his vision. It was awesome; it's why I love film. American Graffiti was my dad's favorite movie, and I became a fan of George Lucas. Dad took me to see Star Wars when I was 6 and... never again will a movie experience match that night. Pure cinematic magic.

Once The Last Jedi changed the identity of Skywalker for me, I lost a lot of interest in Star Wars. I'm sure fans of Rey would feel the same if the next movie focused on her quitting on her friends, the Force, and her family, only to die at the end because she uses too much Force. (Insert your attacks on that comment here.)

It is what it is; it can't be changed and will never be changed. People on this board love the Luke Skywalker in The Last Jedi. For me, though, it ended that amazing feeling I used to get with Star Wars, like the feeling I got reading Lord of the Rings or Harry Potter. I hope Star Wars does well, but there isn't a story anymore that I can hang my hat on. They're just episodes on TV now…for me.

Thanks for engaging in this discussion and letting me explain my perspective.
 

BrianLo

Well-Known Member
I know there are people who dislike her because of he gender. I don't think that's any of the main people on these boards talking about star wars.

Maybe there are some, but I don't recall seeing it, so I don't think it's anywhere close to a majority.

It's around even here, unfortunately. There's a reason Rachel Zegler, Halle Bailey and almost to a hilarious intention reveal Iman Vellani are brought up in the same breath. And yet not a boo about Jake Gyllenhaal, Paul Rudd, Harrison Ford or Owen Wilson. Woman, young woman and especially young woman of colour are easy prey.

I think there's a Yoda quote about this or something. But the extreme and perhaps deserved disappointment over a movie has led to anger. That's lead to hate, which is now a welcome mat for toxicity and discrimination (and more).

So even if the vast, vast majority of people who were only trying to air grievances about a movie, people with other unsavoury grievances have trojan horsed their way into camp. This is what unsavoury actors do though. They use the need for validation and disgruntled opinions to onboard their own discrimination. It starts as well deserved ire towards a director, morphs into disdain for an actress that had nothing to do with anything. Then quickly becomes a hit job on every product that reminds them of the same, all the while the reason is actually because someone else truly is discriminatory right beside them.

Even while I don't think anyone deserves to be lumped in with these things, there needs to be some responsibility to not deny it is happening, actively. Otherwise it quickly turns into needing ones opinion validated more than it needs to call out sexism... or whatever other social opinion has been dragged in. Every time the fans try to downplay this as a problem within the community, they are letting it further seed. It's not unique to the Star Wars community, I'm obviously seeing it happen here in the Disney one too.
 
Thank you for your thoughtful response. I appreciate the opportunity to clarify my perspective and for sparing me from having to talk to Vicarious Fan.

My comments were clear. BTW are you going to take back what you said about Disney making the EU non canon since you already admitted that it was never canon in the first place but a separate universe?


Once The Last Jedi changed the identity of Skywalker for me

Funny for someone who claims to be familiar with the EU to say something like that. Apperently you didn't read Dark Empire, Crucible, or anything with the Vong.





this was something we desperately wanted to see in the rumored George Lucas sequels, episodes 7, 8, and 9, if they ever happened.


key word there rumored. None of George Lucas's treatments for a ST ever showed that. That was just school yard fantasies.

In fact one of George's plan was to have Luke exactly like he was in TLJ
 
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Disney Irish

Premium Member
Thank you for your thoughtful response. I appreciate the opportunity to clarify my perspective and for sparing me from having to talk to Vicarious Fan. That guy makes me appreciate my battles with Casper. Casper can put pen to paper and form an engaging opinion, and so can you, Disney Irish. Anyway...

I think my main point was never to claim that the EU was the best Star Wars content out there. I understand it had its issues and that not all fans loved it. What really bothers me, though, is the direction Disney took with Luke in The Last Jedi. You've heard it all before—he felt like a major departure from the character I knew and loved.

Not for Casper Gutman though, no, no, no! He thought Luke in The Last Jedi was kinda awesome, almost great, but still pretty cool! Loved the character, he did, though not 'love' love, more like a strong like, you know… Monty Python :)

Anyway, having read the EU, especially the "Heir to the Empire" trilogy, I experienced Luke's continued adventures and his relationship with Mara Jade. These stories showed him as the Jedi we wanted to go on adventures with. They gave us a Luke who continued to fight for the light, rebuild the Jedi Order, and even succumb to the dark side in “Dark Empire”. This vision of Luke felt consistent with his character in the OT, and it was fun. Luke in Last Jedi... was not fun.

One of the most exciting aspects of the EU was reading about Luke as a Jedi Master—something we never saw on the big screen. For those of us who grew up with Luke as our hero, this was something we desperately wanted to see in the rumored George Lucas sequels, episodes 7, 8, and 9, if they ever happened. In the OT, Luke was always leveling up, and the idea of seeing him fully realized as a Jedi Master was thrilling.

While I appreciate that Disney is incorporating elements from the EU, like in the "Ahsoka" series with Thrawn, it doesn't fully make up for the disappointment I felt with Luke's portrayal in Last Jedi.

Reflecting on it now, I realize that my main point was really about the journey of Luke Skywalker and my own journey with that character. I'm starting to think that Star Wars for me was all about Luke and his friends, much like Harry Potter is about Harry Potter and his friends. Also, there was something magical about one man who created these stories and shared his vision. It was awesome; it's why I love film. American Graffiti was my dad's favorite movie, and I became a fan of George Lucas. Dad took me to see Star Wars when I was 6 and... never again will a movie experience match that night. Pure cinematic magic.

Once The Last Jedi changed the identity of Skywalker for me, I lost a lot of interest in Star Wars. I'm sure fans of Rey would feel the same if the next movie focused on her quitting on her friends, the Force, and her family, only to die at the end because she uses too much Force. (Insert your attacks on that comment here.)

It is what it is; it can't be changed and will never be changed. People on this board love the Luke Skywalker in The Last Jedi. For me, though, it ended that amazing feeling I used to get with Star Wars, like the feeling I got reading Lord of the Rings or Harry Potter. I hope Star Wars does well, but there isn't a story anymore that I can hang my hat on. They're just episodes on TV now…for me.

Thanks for engaging in this discussion and letting me explain my perspective.
I get your perspective, I really do. I even touched upon it in my post. But for me personally I liked the character arc that was taken with Luke in TLJ. As someone who is now middle aged where I view things differently than I did as a kid I can see Luke's point of view in TLJ. I identify with the character and where he was in his life, its why it works for me. But the main problem, and the issue I think most fans had with it besides what you said, is that we never saw what really lead to this arc other than a few flashbacks of exposition. Its why it seems to "betray" the character because it wasn't what was expected from the character based on where we left him in Ep6. Had there been a prequel to TLJ, say an Ep 6.5 "The Rise and Fall of Luke Skywalker", where we saw Luke go on his adventures and what lead to his ultimate disillusionment and turning away from the Order and cutting off from the force, it probably would have been accepted better. Maybe not completely accepted, as you'll still have some say that is "not my Luke", but at least it would have been seen by most as an "earned" arc and why he is the way he is in TLJ.

I think George did a great disservice to the fan community by not continuing the Skywalker saga after he completed the PT. But its unfortunately the reception by the fan community of the PT that prevented that from happening. And what ultimately lead to him selling to Disney. A very complex of relationship of creator and fandom to be sure.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
The reason Kennedy gets more hate than Iger, is she's the face of the brand. I feel like Iger gets a lot of hate as well. The star wars hate just seems muted because how much hate he gets for the parks and everything else. It kind of drowns the star wars stuff out a bit in my opinion. I know there are people who dislike her because of he gender. I don't think that's any of the main people on these boards talking about star wars.

Maybe there are some, but I don't recall seeing it, so I don't think it's anywhere close to a majority. The vast majority of criticism I see here, boils down to how she's handled the brand. Things like lack of direction, story choices, handling of legacy content, hiring choices, and her handling of PR with the fans. All of which are very legitimate even if you don't see or agree with it.

I was critical of Kennedy at first…but I have softened…

She was caught in a really hard spot.

I think George hired her as his plant while he was negotiating the sale. We know from accounts that his intention was to still have a lot of creative control without being the bank.

Then she had to play by iger’s rules. Which I think has alot to do with his having strong personalities with Pixar and marvel that he had to navigate.

It was a tough spot for her. She’s 65 years old and got to the top of the mountain…head of a major studio. I understand following orders there.

The “philosophy” goes straight to the dwarf house.

I’m sorry…but it’s been a bad philosophy for the whole company….as alot of the “visionaries” were quietly canned…and the results have been what they have been.

Back to Kennedy…tough spot. Should she have been fired in 2018 if not Prior?
100%…but just because that’s the biz…not her in specifics.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
It's around even here, unfortunately. There's a reason Rachel Zegler, Halle Bailey and almost to a hilarious intention reveal Iman Vellani are brought up in the same breath. And yet not a boo about Jake Gyllenhaal, Paul Rudd, Harrison Ford or Owen Wilson. Woman, young woman and especially young woman of colour are easy prey.

I think there's a Yoda quote about this or something. But the extreme and perhaps deserved disappointment over a movie has led to anger. That's lead to hate, which is now a welcome mat for toxicity and discrimination (and more).

So even if the vast, vast majority of people who were only trying to air grievances about a movie, people with other unsavoury grievances have trojan horsed their way into camp. This is what unsavoury actors do though. They use the need for validation and disgruntled opinions to onboard their own discrimination. It starts as well deserved ire towards a director, morphs into disdain for an actress that had nothing to do with anything. Then quickly becomes a hit job on every product that reminds them of the same, all the while the reason is actually because someone else truly is discriminatory right beside them.

Even while I don't think anyone deserves to be lumped in with these things, there needs to be some responsibility to not deny it is happening, actively. Otherwise it quickly turns into needing ones opinion validated more than it needs to call out sexism... or whatever other social opinion has been dragged in. Every time the fans try to downplay this as a problem within the community, they are letting it further seed. It's not unique to the Star Wars community, I'm obviously seeing it happen here in the Disney one too.
Traditionally?

Yes.

Does that mean what they’ve been put in was of high quality and has kinda flopped because of centuries old bigotries?

No. Let’s treat other with a baseline respect.

It’s because it’s crap.

No one called for sigourney weaver…or Carrie fisher…or nana visitor…or Lena headey or Emilia Clarke to be cast into the sea…

Time for adulting.

A certain company has just made a lot of mistakes. They misread their market…their pull…their fanbase.

The word is hubris.
 

networkpro

Well-Known Member
In the Parks
Yes
At the end of the film, presentation, or whatever created work it may be, it boils down to did the majority of it's audience enjoy it. And if they did, was that audience sufficiently large to economically support the amount of money it took to bring that experience to the public. I see many pejorative statements from other posters questioning motivations and philosophy while ignoring basic economics. If you expect entertainment to indoctrinate the consumer, your customers also have a vote not to participate by not purchasing.

It's rather presumptuous to assume moral superiority because everyone else doesn't follow your assertations.
 

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