Star Wars: The Acolyte

[CinematicFusion]

that's not what gatekeeping is. Him sharing his opinion on the quality of the EU which isn't unfounded, I have read EVERY EU comic and book and while there are some gems in there the vast majorty is really bad. Do I need to bring up any of Troy Dennings books like Dark Nest where the Jedi have an orgy with giant ants?

If he is gatekeeping then so you are you by saying any piece of new Star Wars media isn't very good.


As I showed you George Lucas himself trivilized Mara Jade and Skywalkers relationship.

Yes George Lucas said it was a PARALLEL Universe. that means it's 100% not canon. Canon means it's the official story there can only be 1 official story.

Casper's comments are definitely a form of gatekeeping. By dismissing the entire Expanded Universe (EU) as "really, really stupid," he's belittling the opinions and preferences of fans who enjoyed those stories. This kind of language implies that those who appreciate the EU aren't "real" fans or are less knowledgeable about Star Wars.

His sarcastic remark about "giant space weasels" trivializes genuine interests, further alienating fans. Dismissing entire segments of fandom based on his personal biases is the real issue here.

George Lucas did see the Expanded Universe as a parallel universe, and while he may not have considered it canon, he didn't go out of his way to dismiss its elements outright. The suggestion that Lucas trivialized Mara Jade's relationship with Luke Skywalker is overstated. Lucas didn't actively fight against her inclusion; he just prioritized his own stories(Looper).

Also, George Lucas did not agree with Disney's direction for his Star Wars stories. When Lucas sold Lucasfilm to Disney, he provided outlines for the sequel trilogy, which Disney chose not to use. Lucas has expressed disappointment with how Disney handled the franchise, particularly with how they moved away from his vision for the new films. He felt that they did not follow the stories he had laid out and took the series in a different direction.
To be fair, he sold to Disney and Lucas had zero say after that.

With that said...
Casper, I genuinely respect your opinion and appreciate hearing your comments.

 

[mysto]

Well, see, the problem is that most of the Expanded Universe is really, really stupid.

The space whales are pretty dumb, and used quite a bit. There are no little fish for the big fish to eat and evolve something like that, there's no environment they could have evolved in. They could have been manufactured, and are quite majestic.

I tried to google it, and EU appears quite large and ill defined. Not sure if the whales are even in there.

But maybe we need giant space weasels. Maybe that's what Star Wars is missing.

Yes!

 

[Vicarious Fan]

The space whales are pretty dumb, and used quite a bit. There are no little fish for the big fish to eat and evolve something like that, there's no environment they could have evolved in. They could have been manufactured, and are quite majestic.

I tried to google it, and EU appears quite large and ill defined. Not sure if the whales are even in there.


Yes!
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buddy... what are you talking about? George Lucas had Giant Space Worms living in asteroids that had smaller space bats that eat electricty... but Space Whales is too much for you?



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[Casper Gutman]

Oh I did not…you said it and it was scrubbed.

For you kids at home: someone said that backlash for the Tiana ride was because people hated the designers background

Which is stupid and pathetic rolled into one.

Own it

You are an absolute, unrepentant liar. Read the TBA thread. Find any comment from me coming anywhere close to defending the project.

I think you saw a comment from Buford and, unable to fathom anyone who might be able to hold a nuanced view of Disney and not be consumed by rage like yourself, assumed I posted in support. I did not, because I didn't agree.

You have a problem.

 

[mysto]

Is the Acolyte EU? I'm going to guess yes. It seems like all the streaming series are drawing on EU in some way with "George Approval" over lunches and the like.

 

[Casper Gutman]

Casper's comments are definitely a form of gatekeeping. By dismissing the entire Expanded Universe (EU) as "really, really stupid," he's belittling the opinions and preferences of fans who enjoyed those stories. This kind of language implies that those who appreciate the EU aren't "real" fans or are less knowledgeable about Star Wars.

His sarcastic remark about "giant space weasels" trivializes genuine interests, further alienating fans. Dismissing entire segments of fandom based on his personal biases is the real issue here.

George Lucas did see the Expanded Universe as a parallel universe, and while he may not have considered it canon, he didn't go out of his way to dismiss its elements outright. The suggestion that Lucas trivialized Mara Jade's relationship with Luke Skywalker is overstated. Lucas didn't actively fight against her inclusion; he just prioritized his own stories(Looper).

Also, George Lucas did not agree with Disney's direction for his Star Wars stories. When Lucas sold Lucasfilm to Disney, he provided outlines for the sequel trilogy, which Disney chose not to use. Lucas has expressed disappointment with how Disney handled the franchise, particularly with how they moved away from his vision for the new films. He felt that they did not follow the stories he had laid out and took the series in a different direction.
To be fair, he sold to Disney and Lucas had zero say after that.

With that said...
Casper, I genuinely respect your opinion and appreciate hearing your comments.

My opinion that most of the EU was stupid does not "belittle" other fans anymore then my opinion that the Fast & Furious movies (of which I am a fan) are stupid.

I don't understand why EU fans demand to be validated by a designation of canon which never really existed in the first place. The stories should be their own reward. Again, as a comic fan, it seems absurd.

 

[Vicarious Fan]

Casper's comments are definitely a form of gatekeeping. By dismissing the entire Expanded Universe (EU) as "really, really stupid," he's belittling the opinions and preferences of fans who enjoyed those stories. This kind of language implies that those who appreciate the EU aren't "real" fans or are less knowledgeable about Star Wars.

His sarcastic remark about "giant space weasels" trivializes genuine interests, further alienating fans. Dismissing entire segments of fandom based on his personal biases is the real issue here.

George Lucas did see the Expanded Universe as a parallel universe, and while he may not have considered it canon, he didn't go out of his way to dismiss its elements outright. The suggestion that Lucas trivialized Mara Jade's relationship with Luke Skywalker is overstated. Lucas didn't actively fight against her inclusion; he just prioritized his own stories(Looper).

Also, George Lucas did not agree with Disney's direction for his Star Wars stories. When Lucas sold Lucasfilm to Disney, he provided outlines for the sequel trilogy, which Disney chose not to use. Lucas has expressed disappointment with how Disney handled the franchise, particularly with how they moved away from his vision for the new films. He felt that they did not follow the stories he had laid out and took the series in a different direction.
To be fair, he sold to Disney and Lucas had zero say after that.

With that said...
Casper, I genuinely respect your opinion and appreciate hearing your comments.

that's not what Gatekeeping is. He is giving his opinion. He doesn't say that you can't enjoy it, he never says it's not Star Wars.

He just says geroge lucas never considered it canon which is true and you just admitted.

So are you going to retract your earlier statement that Disney alienated fans by making it non canon? Because you just said yourself it wasn't canon.


yes George abslutely dismissed the EU outright, when he wrote the PT he ignored EVERYTHING that had to do with the Clone Wars, it even ruined the Thrawn Trilogy as he completely changed what the Clone Wars were about. Then we have it completely changed Boba Fett and his whole back story.

George didn't care about the EU in anyway.

 

[CinematicFusion]

no many fans are not. There is a loud minority. EU was never canon. George said this on mulitple occasions and the EU constnatlly contradicted itself.
”And now there have been novels about the events after Episode VI, which isn’t at all what I would have done with it. The Star Wars story is really the tragedy of Darth Vader. That is the story. Once Vader dies, he doesn’t come back to life, the Emperor doesn’t get cloned and Luke doesn’t get married.”

~ George Lucas, Flannelled One, 2008

”The novels and comic books are other authors’ interpretations of my creation. Sometimes, I tell them what they can and cant do, but I just don’t have the time to read them. They’re not my vision of what Star Wars is.”

~ George Lucas 2004

George was very clear that the EU wasn't canon. Fun fact The Last Jedi was based off of George Lucas's treatments for the ST.

And if there is one thing we learned from the PT is that if George made the ST the "Fans" would be still be angry and crying how Star Wars is dead.


rofl what? critics say meh? it's at 93% on RT for critics. What are you talking about more people watch Star Wars content now then ever in it's history. The Acolyte is one of Disneyplus biggest premieres.


Why would KK be angry at the last episdoe of Mando? You also know that merch at the parks is selling like crazy right?

Vicarious, gotta also talked about Lucas and his feelings on the new trilogy.
Lucas expressed significant disappointment with Disney's direction for the franchise. He even compared selling Star Wars to Disney to "selling his children to white slavers," highlighting his dissatisfaction with how his stories were handled and diverged from his vision (Moviefone) (The Independent) (Yahoo).

 

[Vicarious Fan]

Is the Acolyte EU? I'm going to guess yes. It seems like all the streaming series are drawing on EU in some way with "George Approval" over lunches and the like.

nope its 100% original with no EU links to it. This period of Star Wars is actually kind of untouched before Disney did it.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

You are an absolute, unrepentant liar. Read the TBA thread. Find any comment from me coming anywhere close to defending the project.

I think you saw a comment from Buford and, unable to fathom anyone who might be able to hold a nuanced view of Disney and not be consumed by rage like yourself, assumed I posted in support. I did not, because I didn't agree.

You have a problem.

Don’t do it if you don’t want want to be called out for it. Years of the same thing garbage.

People can not like crap Disney makes without there being some evil anti-progress agenda.

Example: people don’t like last Johnson because it wasnt true to the ethos of a 40 year old character…not because they were robbed of being 8.

Period. Full stop. Hold your masters accountable.

And put me on ignore so we don’t have to bother anyone else. This is old.

 

[CinematicFusion]

My opinion that most of the EU was stupid does not "belittle" other fans anymore then my opinion that the Fast & Furious movies (of which I am a fan) are stupid.

I don't understand why EU fans demand to be validated by a designation of canon which never really existed in the first place. The stories should be their own reward. Again, as a comic fan, it seems absurd.

Awesome... I respect that opinion.
(Rewind) However, it's important to acknowledge that many fans are frustrated with the direction the storytelling has taken, particularly since The Last Jedi. These decisions, including turning the rich history of Star Wars into "Legend" stories and deeming the Expanded Universe non-canon, have alienated some fans. Characters like Mara Jade and her relationship with Luke Skywalker are no longer part of the official universe, which has disappointed many longtime fans. People still love Star Wars, but they miss the elements that made it special for them.

 

[Casper Gutman]

Don’t do it if you don’t want want to be called out for it. Years of the same thing garbage.

People can not like crap Disney makes without there being some evil anti-progress agenda.

Example: people don’t like last Johnson because it wasnt true to the ethos of a 40 year old character…not because they were robbed of being 8.

Period. Full stop. Hold your masters accountable.

And put me on ignore so we don’t have to bother anyone else. This is old.

You can waste all the words you like.

You lied and continue to lie.

 

[Vicarious Fan]

Vicarious, gotta also talked about Lucas and his feelings on the new trilogy.
Lucas expressed significant disappointment with Disney's direction for the franchise. He even compared selling Star Wars to Disney to "selling his children to white slavers," highlighting his dissatisfaction with how his stories were handled and diverged from his vision (Moviefone) (The Independent) (Yahoo).

you mean the movies that he said he enjoyed? Yeah cool The only one he complained about was TFA which was because he didn't feel it was necessary to do a soft reboot of ANH, he thought it relied too much on nostalgia. TLJ however he loved and thought it was beautifully made. In fact TLJ was made from George Lucas's treatments, George wanted Luke to be withrdrawn from the force and a hermit after one of his students turned to the Darkside.

 

[Casper Gutman]

Awesome... I respect that opinion.
(Rewind) However, it's important to acknowledge that many fans are frustrated with the direction the storytelling has taken, particularly since The Last Jedi. These decisions, including turning the rich history of Star Wars into "Legend" stories and deeming the Expanded Universe non-canon, have alienated some fans. Characters like Mara Jade and her relationship with Luke Skywalker are no longer part of the official universe, which has disappointed many longtime fans. People still love Star Wars, but they miss the elements that made it special for them.

That "rich history," which was never really linked canonically to the films, still exists. If that's not enough, those fans weren't fans of the storytelling, they were fans of something else... many of them were fans of being able to "gatekeep" fandom through their supposedly "superior" knowledge.

Look, in my personal canon, Han shot first and Jabba never showed up at the hanger in Mos Eisley. The franchise isn't ruined for me because that differs from "official" canon.

 

[Vicarious Fan]

Example: people don’t like last Johnson because it wasnt true to the ethos of a 40 year old character…not because they were robbed of being 8.

Proving my point that if George had made the ST people would have hated it just as much seeing as it was Georges Idea to make Luke a hermit cut off from the force because of a failure.

The Last Jedi Understood George Lucas’ Star Wars Better Than What Came After

The most controversial element of Star Wars: The Last Jedi came straight from George Lucas, and his Luke Skywalker was even more extreme.

www.denofgeek.com

 

[CinematicFusion]

That "rich history," which was never really linked canonically to the films, still exists. If that's not enough, those fans weren't fans of the storytelling, they were fans of something else... many of them were fans of being able to "gatekeep" fandom through their supposedly "superior" knowledge.

Look, in my personal canon, Han shot first and Jabba never showed up at the hanger in Mos Eisley. The franchise isn't ruined for me because that differs from "official" canon.

Fair enough...I'm with you with Han shot first. You do agree, though, that there were solid ideas in the Expanded Universe that fans enjoyed, like "Heir to the Empire" and Mara Jade. It's understandable why fans were upset when these elements were dismissed by Disney. I agree that a lot of the EU content wasn't great, but the same can be said about some of Disney's Star Wars efforts. At the end of the day, I think George Lucas was a huge control guy, and his comments on both Disney Star Wars and his Expanded Universe reflect that.

 

[Willmark]

Always interesting when fans tell other fans they are fanning wrong.

Or should that be “fan”

 

[erasure fan1]

As for "Princess Poppins," it's completely consistent with force powers we've seen in the films. It was picked out by "fans" desperate to be angry about Star Wars - the topic of this thread.

The correct answer would have been. Yea that scene was terrible, I have to admit.

It was picked out by fans because it was poorly done. You aren't the great messiah of star wars like you think. You say you don't care if someone likes the eu, or if their not a fan of something. But sure as my dog comes running as soon as I open a bag of chips, you come running to tell everyone why they're wrong when they dislike something. Or how, wink wink, they have hidden agendas. There's a lot of warranted issues with star wars whether you choose to admit it or not.

 

[Casper Gutman]

Always interesting when fans tell other fans they are fanning wrong.

Or should that be “fan”

No fan is wrong to enjoy what they enjoy - something many of the folks savaging TLJ for years and years would do well to remember.

A lot of "fans" seem to require validation.

 

[Casper Gutman]

The correct answer would have been. Yea that scene was terrible, I have to admit.

It was picked out by fans because it was poorly done. You aren't the great messiah of star wars like you think. You say you don't care if someone likes the eu, or if their not a fan of something. But sure as my dog comes running as soon as I open a bag of chips, you come running to tell everyone why they're wrong when they dislike something. Or how, wink wink, they have hidden agendas. There's a lot of warranted issues with star wars whether you choose to admit it or not.

You guys take any criticism of your version of Star Wars as an attack on your "fandom."

And then you turn around and say my opinion of TLJ is "incorrect."