Star Wars: The Acolyte

[MagicMouseFan]

I can't really judge a show from two episodes when the premise is a mystery. Once I see how the mystery ends I can better judge if it was worth it. So far I like it better then Asohka, Bobba Fett and Kenobi. It's not bogged down by fan service and the wire work is great.

Agree, that's why I don't think anyone is really talking about the show. Let's see what type of legs it has.
Ep. 3 needs to be a difference maker.

Went to drop my girls off at school and all the teachers were talking about Dark Matter on Apple. That's what you want, word of mouth.

 

[Casper Gutman]

It's great that you still love Star Wars and enjoy most of what Disney has produced. However, it's important to acknowledge that many fans are frustrated with the direction the storytelling has taken, particularly since The Last Jedi. These decisions, including turning the rich history of Star Wars into "Legend" stories and deeming the Expanded Universe non-canon, have alienated some fans. Characters like Mara Jade and her relationship with Luke Skywalker are no longer part of the official universe, which has disappointed many longtime fans. People still love Star Wars, but they miss the elements that made it special for them.

Well, see, the problem is that most of the Expanded Universe is really, really stupid.

And Lucas never really considered it canon. Lucas: “There are two worlds here... There’s my world, which is the movies, and there’s this other world that has been created, which I say is the parallel universe — the licensing world of the books, games and comic books.”

But maybe we need giant space weasels. Maybe that's what Star Wars is missing.

 

[Vicarious Fan]

It's great that you still love Star Wars and enjoy most of what Disney has produced. However, it's important to acknowledge that many fans are frustrated with the direction the storytelling has taken, particularly since The Last Jedi. These decisions, including turning the rich history of Star Wars into "Legend" stories and deeming the Expanded Universe non-canon, have alienated some fans. Characters like Mara Jade and her relationship with Luke Skywalker are no longer part of the official universe, which has disappointed many longtime fans. People still love Star Wars, but they miss the elements that made it special for them.

no many fans are not. There is a loud minority. EU was never canon. George said this on mulitple occasions and the EU constnatlly contradicted itself.
”And now there have been novels about the events after Episode VI, which isn’t at all what I would have done with it. The Star Wars story is really the tragedy of Darth Vader. That is the story. Once Vader dies, he doesn’t come back to life, the Emperor doesn’t get cloned and Luke doesn’t get married.”

~ George Lucas, Flannelled One, 2008

”The novels and comic books are other authors’ interpretations of my creation. Sometimes, I tell them what they can and cant do, but I just don’t have the time to read them. They’re not my vision of what Star Wars is.”

~ George Lucas 2004

George was very clear that the EU wasn't canon. Fun fact The Last Jedi was based off of George Lucas's treatments for the ST.

And if there is one thing we learned from the PT is that if George made the ST the "Fans" would be still be angry and crying how Star Wars is dead.

Star Wars IP is on life support. The way Disney is marketing the Acolyte should all be fired. I now see a ton of advertisements on social but when they interview the showrunner or cast, they literally killed 95% off their audience. Why would you do that?!?!

Kennedy is upset that male dominated fan base is too critical and review bombing? Yes, because we know she hates Skywalker, the original trilogy characters and does not want to give what the fans want. It boggles my mind that you have a franchise that is pure gold and now has turned into ash. Merchandise is dead too.

For example, look at the last episode of Mando season two! It must have killed her ego to approve it but it was what the fans desperately wanted. It was a huge hit and the reception was massive. Merchandise was flying off the shells, people were talking about it everywhere and excited for the next season. KK said nope and season three of Mando was poorly received.

Now, with Acolyte, who was this made for? How do you spend $180MM for this and even the critics are like meh. I am so frustrated and sad that Disney has disregarded their biggest fan base for this garbage.

rofl what? critics say meh? it's at 93% on RT for critics. What are you talking about more people watch Star Wars content now then ever in it's history. The Acolyte is one of Disneyplus biggest premieres.


Why would KK be angry at the last episdoe of Mando? You also know that merch at the parks is selling like crazy right?

 

[Casper Gutman]

Man, a lot of Star Wars fans don't understand Luke Skywalker in particular or the nature of storytelling in general.

 

[Vicarious Fan]

Well if they made the force awakens today, Han would most certainly still be alive. I mean, getting stabbed by a lightsaber isn't what it used to be. Tis but a scratch!

I do hate this meme. There is a huge difference between being stabbed through the spine and falling to a bottomless pit and being stabbed in the stomach.

 

[MagicMouseFan]

Well, see, the problem is that most of the Expanded Universe is really, really stupid.

And Lucas never really considered it canon. Lucas: “There are two worlds here... There’s my world, which is the movies, and there’s this other world that has been created, which I say is the parallel universe — the licensing world of the books, games and comic books.”

But maybe we need giant space weasels. Maybe that's what Star Wars is missing.

Casper, it's interesting how you dismiss the entire Expanded Universe as "really, really stupid." This kind of gatekeeping and putting down fans who don't share your opinion is exactly what everyone dislikes about certain Star Wars fans. Are you sure you're not being what you criticize?

George Lucas himself acknowledged a parallel universe for the EU, which many fans cherished. And let's talk about "Princess Poppins in space"—is Leia floating back to the ship in The Last Jedi not equally questionable? Why trivialize those who found Mara Jade and Skywalker's relationship compelling? Your comment dismisses the genuine interests and concerns of many dedicated fans. Are you sure you're not gatekeeping yourself?

 

[Vicarious Fan]

Casper, it's interesting how you dismiss the entire Expanded Universe as "really, really stupid." This kind of gatekeeping and putting down fans who don't share your opinion is exactly what everyone dislikes about certain Star Wars fans. Are you sure you're not being what you criticize?

George Lucas himself acknowledged a parallel universe for the EU, which many fans cherished. And let's talk about "Princess Poppins in space"—is Leia floating back to the ship in The Last Jedi not equally questionable? Why trivialize those who found Mara Jade and Skywalker's relationship compelling? Your comment dismisses the genuine interests and concerns of many dedicated fans. Are you sure you're not gatekeeping yourself?

that's not what gatekeeping is. Him sharing his opinion on the quality of the EU which isn't unfounded, I have read EVERY EU comic and book and while there are some gems in there the vast majorty is really bad. Do I need to bring up any of Troy Dennings books like Dark Nest where the Jedi have an orgy with giant ants?

If he is gatekeeping then so you are you by saying any piece of new Star Wars media isn't very good.


As I showed you George Lucas himself trivilized Mara Jade and Skywalkers relationship.

Yes George Lucas said it was a PARALLEL Universe. that means it's 100% not canon. Canon means it's the official story there can only be 1 official story.

 

[MagicMouseFan]

Man, a lot of Star Wars fans don't understand Luke Skywalker in particular or the nature of storytelling in general.

Casper, you belittle fans who disagree with your views, saying they don't understand Luke Skywalker or storytelling. This kind of gatekeeping is exactly what people on this board dislike. Sounds like you are being exactly what many on this board criticize.

Fans weren't upset because Luke was old, went into hiding, or wasn't a superhero. They were upset because he abandoned his friends, family, the universe, and the Force. This portrayal felt like a betrayal of everything Luke stood for. Even Mark Hamill disagreed with the direction Luke took. I'm not suggesting you shouldn't love Luke in The Last Jedi. That's how you want Luke to be, that's fine. But the gatekeeping has to stop; people have valid reasons for their concerns and should be heard.

 

[Casper Gutman]

Casper, it's interesting how you dismiss the entire Expanded Universe as "really, really stupid." This kind of gatekeeping and putting down fans who don't share your opinion is exactly what everyone dislikes about certain Star Wars fans. Are you sure you're not being what you criticize?

George Lucas himself acknowledged a parallel universe for the EU, which many fans cherished. And let's talk about "Princess Poppins in space"—is Leia floating back to the ship in The Last Jedi not equally questionable? Why trivialize those who found Mara Jade and Skywalker's relationship compelling? Your comment dismisses the genuine interests and concerns of many dedicated fans. Are you sure you're not gatekeeping yourself?

You go on and on about "quality storytelling" and then champion the EU as some sacred thing.

I'm not the one gatekeeping. I don't really care about the status of the EU one way or the other. My enjoyment of the films wouldn't be effected one way or the other. Fans like you, however, make demands that the EU be deemed canonical, to the detriment of the franchise.

You want to enjoy the EU? Go nuts! It still exists. The fact that it's not validated as canon shouldn't matter at all.

Let's take a look at Marvel. None of the MCU films follow the comics very closely. The comics and the films exist in separate realities, and that benefits both. Comic fans don't complain that the MCU isn't patting them on the back by making decades of comics canon.

As for "Princess Poppins," it's completely consistent with force powers we've seen in the films. It was picked out by "fans" desperate to be angry about Star Wars - the topic of this thread.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Hate?
I’m sure some do. There are likely those in various states of apathy, disgust to those who like it.

I also have a feeling that it’s moving towards that. As time goes by it’s less and less relevant.

The main problem with the material is it’s becoming increasingly irrelevant…which means there will be less focus on it and less desire by Burbank to put any effort into it.

I mean…it’s not just shows. They basically shut down the movie studio…
And they built two lands that are already aging poorly as a monument to a sequel series that had basically already collapsed by the time they opened.

The problems are numerous and deep

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

You go on and on about "quality storytelling" and then champion the EU as some sacred thing.

I'm not the one gatekeeping. I don't really care about the status of the EU one way or the other. My enjoyment of the films wouldn't be effected one way or the other. Fans like you, however, make demands that the EU be deemed canonical, to the detriment of the franchise.

You want to enjoy the EU? Go nuts! It still exists. The fact that it's not validated as canon shouldn't matter at all.

Let's take a look at Marvel. None of the MCU films follow the comics very closely. The comics and the films exist in separate realities, and that benefits both. Comic fans don't complain that the MCU isn't patting them on the back by making decades of comics canon.

As for "Princess Poppins," it's completely consistent with force powers we've seen in the films. It was picked out by "fans" desperate to be angry about Star Wars - the topic of this thread.

I just hate middle aged white guys…especially when I go past a mirror

That’s why me and four other guys took control of the World Wide Web and put the franchise in carbon freeze after the last Johnson/solo…

But you have Disney to enlighten the rest of the world and save you, ama right???

 

[Casper Gutman]

Casper, you belittle fans who disagree with your views, saying they don't understand Luke Skywalker or storytelling. This kind of gatekeeping is exactly what people on this board dislike. Sounds like you are being exactly what many on this board criticize.

Fans weren't upset because Luke was old, went into hiding, or wasn't a superhero. They were upset because he abandoned his friends, family, the universe, and the Force. This portrayal felt like a betrayal of everything Luke stood for. Even Mark Hamill disagreed with the direction Luke took. I'm not suggesting you shouldn't love Luke in The Last Jedi. That's how you want Luke to be, that's fine. But the gatekeeping has to stop; people have valid reasons for their concerns and should be heard.

We've heard the concerns. We've heard them over and over and over, screamed out of all proportion to the actual content of the films. We've been overwhelmed with hysterical hyperbole and, yes, personal attacks on the people who made the films and people who don't hate them. You don't get to pretend away reality, which you keep trying to do in this thread.

You want to dislike TLJ? Great! You want to make an absurd statement like it deserves a score "lower then zero?" You're being very silly, just like someone who might say TLJ is better then Citizen Kane.

 

[Casper Gutman]

I just hate middle aged white guys..

That’s why me and four other guys took control of the World Wide Web and put the franchise in carbon freeze after the last Johnson/solo…

But you have Disney to enlighten the rest of the world and save you, ama right???

You blatantly lied about me earlier in this thread and I don't believe you ever apologized. Feel free to do so now.

 

[Vicarious Fan]

I just hate middle aged white guys..

that's a super weird thing to admit... but sure ok you do you hunny.

But you have Disney to enlighten the rest of the world and save you, ama right???

also super weird that you think having a non white cast is "enlightened" but ok.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

You blatantly lied about me earlier in this thread and I don't believe you ever apologized. Feel free to do so now.

Oh I did not…you said it and it was scrubbed.

For you kids at home: someone said that backlash for the Tiana ride was because people hated the designers background

Which is stupid and pathetic rolled into one.

Own it

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

that's a super weird thing to admit... but sure ok you do you hunny.


also super weird that you think having a non white cast is "enlightened" but ok.

No sarcasm in your neighborhood, huh?

Minnesota or Wisconsin?

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

We've heard the concerns. We've heard them over and over and over, screamed out of all proportion to the actual content of the films. We've been overwhelmed with hysterical hyperbole and, yes, personal attacks on the people who made the films and people who don't hate them. You don't get to pretend away reality, which you keep trying to do in this thread.

You want to dislike TLJ? Great! You want to make an absurd statement like it deserves a score "lower then zero?" You're being very silly, just like someone who might say TLJ is better then Citizen Kane.

We…you at most speak for about 4 people…until they wise up and jump off that wagon too.

 

[MagicMouseFan]

that's not what gatekeeping is. Him sharing his opinion on the quality of the EU which isn't unfounded, I have read EVERY EU comic and book and while there are some gems in there the vast majorty is really bad. Do I need to bring up any of Troy Dennings books like Dark Nest where the Jedi have an orgy with giant ants?

If he is gatekeeping then so you are you by saying any piece of new Star Wars media isn't very good.


As I showed you George Lucas himself trivilized Mara Jade and Skywalkers relationship.

Yes George Lucas said it was a PARALLEL Universe. that means it's 100% not canon. Canon means it's the official story there can only be 1 official story.

Casper's comments are definitely a form of gatekeeping. By dismissing the entire Expanded Universe (EU) as "really, really stupid," he's belittling the opinions and preferences of fans who enjoyed those stories. This kind of language implies that those who appreciate the EU aren't "real" fans or are less knowledgeable about Star Wars.

His sarcastic remark about "giant space weasels" trivializes genuine interests, further alienating fans. Dismissing entire segments of fandom based on his personal biases is the real issue here.

George Lucas did see the Expanded Universe as a parallel universe, and while he may not have considered it canon, he didn't go out of his way to dismiss its elements outright. The suggestion that Lucas trivialized Mara Jade's relationship with Luke Skywalker is overstated. Lucas didn't actively fight against her inclusion; he just prioritized his own stories(Looper).

Also, George Lucas did not agree with Disney's direction for his Star Wars stories. When Lucas sold Lucasfilm to Disney, he provided outlines for the sequel trilogy, which Disney chose not to use. Lucas has expressed disappointment with how Disney handled the franchise, particularly with how they moved away from his vision for the new films. He felt that they did not follow the stories he had laid out and took the series in a different direction.
To be fair, he sold to Disney and Lucas had zero say after that.

With that said...
Casper, I genuinely respect your opinion and appreciate hearing your comments.

 

[mysto]

Well, see, the problem is that most of the Expanded Universe is really, really stupid.

The space whales are pretty dumb, and used quite a bit. There are no little fish for the big fish to eat and evolve something like that, there's no environment they could have evolved in. They could have been manufactured, and are quite majestic.

I tried to google it, and EU appears quite large and ill defined. Not sure if the whales are even in there.

But maybe we need giant space weasels. Maybe that's what Star Wars is missing.

Yes!

 

[Vicarious Fan]

The space whales are pretty dumb, and used quite a bit. There are no little fish for the big fish to eat and evolve something like that, there's no environment they could have evolved in. They could have been manufactured, and are quite majestic.

I tried to google it, and EU appears quite large and ill defined. Not sure if the whales are even in there.


Yes!
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buddy... what are you talking about? George Lucas had Giant Space Worms living in asteroids that had smaller space bats that eat electricty... but Space Whales is too much for you?



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