Willmark
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Hate?
I’m sure some do. There are likely those in various states of apathy, disgust to those who like it.
I also have a feeling that it’s moving towards that. As time goes by it’s less and less relevant.
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Star Wars: The Acolyte
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I’m sure some do. There are likely those in various states of apathy, disgust to those who like it.
I also have a feeling that it’s moving towards that. As time goes by it’s less and less relevant.
CinematicFusion
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It's great that you still love Star Wars and enjoy most of what Disney has produced. However, it's important to acknowledge that many fans are frustrated with the direction the storytelling has taken, particularly since The Last Jedi. These decisions, including turning the rich history of Star Wars into "Legend" stories and deeming the Expanded Universe non-canon, have alienated some fans. Characters like Mara Jade and her relationship with Luke Skywalker are no longer part of the official universe, which has disappointed many longtime fans. People still love Star Wars, but they miss the elements that made it special for them.
wdwgreek
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I can't really judge a show from two episodes when the premise is a mystery. Once I see how the mystery ends I can better judge if it was worth it. So far I like it better then Asohka, Bobba Fett and Kenobi. It's not bogged down by fan service and the wire work is great.
CinematicFusion
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Agree, that's why I don't think anyone is really talking about the show. Let's see what type of legs it has.
Ep. 3 needs to be a difference maker.
Went to drop my girls off at school and all the teachers were talking about Dark Matter on Apple. That's what you want, word of mouth.
Casper Gutman
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Well, see, the problem is that most of the Expanded Universe is really, really stupid.
And Lucas never really considered it canon. Lucas: “There are two worlds here... There’s my world, which is the movies, and there’s this other world that has been created, which I say is the parallel universe — the licensing world of the books, games and comic books.”
But maybe we need giant space weasels. Maybe that's what Star Wars is missing.
Vicarious Fan
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no many fans are not. There is a loud minority. EU was never canon. George said this on mulitple occasions and the EU constnatlly contradicted itself.
”And now there have been novels about the events after Episode VI, which isn’t at all what I would have done with it. The Star Wars story is really the tragedy of Darth Vader. That is the story. Once Vader dies, he doesn’t come back to life, the Emperor doesn’t get cloned and Luke doesn’t get married.”
~ George Lucas, Flannelled One, 2008
”The novels and comic books are other authors’ interpretations of my creation. Sometimes, I tell them what they can and cant do, but I just don’t have the time to read them. They’re not my vision of what Star Wars is.”
~ George Lucas 2004
George was very clear that the EU wasn't canon. Fun fact The Last Jedi was based off of George Lucas's treatments for the ST.
And if there is one thing we learned from the PT is that if George made the ST the "Fans" would be still be angry and crying how Star Wars is dead.
rofl what? critics say meh? it's at 93% on RT for critics. What are you talking about more people watch Star Wars content now then ever in it's history. The Acolyte is one of Disneyplus biggest premieres.
Why would KK be angry at the last episdoe of Mando? You also know that merch at the parks is selling like crazy right?
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Casper Gutman
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Man, a lot of Star Wars fans don't understand Luke Skywalker in particular or the nature of storytelling in general.
Vicarious Fan
Member
I do hate this meme. There is a huge difference between being stabbed through the spine and falling to a bottomless pit and being stabbed in the stomach.
CinematicFusion
Well-Known Member
Casper, it's interesting how you dismiss the entire Expanded Universe as "really, really stupid." This kind of gatekeeping and putting down fans who don't share your opinion is exactly what everyone dislikes about certain Star Wars fans. Are you sure you're not being what you criticize?
George Lucas himself acknowledged a parallel universe for the EU, which many fans cherished. And let's talk about "Princess Poppins in space"—is Leia floating back to the ship in The Last Jedi not equally questionable? Why trivialize those who found Mara Jade and Skywalker's relationship compelling? Your comment dismisses the genuine interests and concerns of many dedicated fans. Are you sure you're not gatekeeping yourself?
Vicarious Fan
Member
that's not what gatekeeping is. Him sharing his opinion on the quality of the EU which isn't unfounded, I have read EVERY EU comic and book and while there are some gems in there the vast majorty is really bad. Do I need to bring up any of Troy Dennings books like Dark Nest where the Jedi have an orgy with giant ants?
If he is gatekeeping then so you are you by saying any piece of new Star Wars media isn't very good.
As I showed you George Lucas himself trivilized Mara Jade and Skywalkers relationship.
Yes George Lucas said it was a PARALLEL Universe. that means it's 100% not canon. Canon means it's the official story there can only be 1 official story.
CinematicFusion
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Casper, you belittle fans who disagree with your views, saying they don't understand Luke Skywalker or storytelling. This kind of gatekeeping is exactly what people on this board dislike. Sounds like you are being exactly what many on this board criticize.
Fans weren't upset because Luke was old, went into hiding, or wasn't a superhero. They were upset because he abandoned his friends, family, the universe, and the Force. This portrayal felt like a betrayal of everything Luke stood for. Even Mark Hamill disagreed with the direction Luke took. I'm not suggesting you shouldn't love Luke in The Last Jedi. That's how you want Luke to be, that's fine. But the gatekeeping has to stop; people have valid reasons for their concerns and should be heard.
Casper Gutman
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You go on and on about "quality storytelling" and then champion the EU as some sacred thing.
I'm not the one gatekeeping. I don't really care about the status of the EU one way or the other. My enjoyment of the films wouldn't be effected one way or the other. Fans like you, however, make demands that the EU be deemed canonical, to the detriment of the franchise.
You want to enjoy the EU? Go nuts! It still exists. The fact that it's not validated as canon shouldn't matter at all.
Let's take a look at Marvel. None of the MCU films follow the comics very closely. The comics and the films exist in separate realities, and that benefits both. Comic fans don't complain that the MCU isn't patting them on the back by making decades of comics canon.
As for "Princess Poppins," it's completely consistent with force powers we've seen in the films. It was picked out by "fans" desperate to be angry about Star Wars - the topic of this thread.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
The main problem with the material is it’s becoming increasingly irrelevant…which means there will be less focus on it and less desire by Burbank to put any effort into it.
I mean…it’s not just shows. They basically shut down the movie studio…
And they built two lands that are already aging poorly as a monument to a sequel series that had basically already collapsed by the time they opened.
The problems are numerous and deep
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
I just hate middle aged white guys…especially when I go past a mirror
That’s why me and four other guys took control of the World Wide Web and put the franchise in carbon freeze after the last Johnson/solo…
But you have Disney to enlighten the rest of the world and save you, ama right???
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Casper Gutman
Well-Known Member
We've heard the concerns. We've heard them over and over and over, screamed out of all proportion to the actual content of the films. We've been overwhelmed with hysterical hyperbole and, yes, personal attacks on the people who made the films and people who don't hate them. You don't get to pretend away reality, which you keep trying to do in this thread.
You want to dislike TLJ? Great! You want to make an absurd statement like it deserves a score "lower then zero?" You're being very silly, just like someone who might say TLJ is better then Citizen Kane.
Casper Gutman
Well-Known Member
You blatantly lied about me earlier in this thread and I don't believe you ever apologized. Feel free to do so now.
Vicarious Fan
Member
that's a super weird thing to admit... but sure ok you do you hunny.
also super weird that you think having a non white cast is "enlightened" but ok.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
Oh I did not…you said it and it was scrubbed.
For you kids at home: someone said that backlash for the Tiana ride was because people hated the designers background
Which is stupid and pathetic rolled into one.
Own it
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
We…you at most speak for about 4 people…until they wise up and jump off that wagon too.