Star Wars Land announced for Disney's Hollywood Studios

[180º]

In my two trips I never felt any more cramped at DL than I have during busy days at WDW.

Not sure when you visited, but as a California local and a frequent WDW visitor, a busy day at WDW feels a little cramped but it’s the wait times where you notice crowds most. On a modestly busy day at Disneyland, you may find yourself literally unable to walk because the crowds are so thick.

 

[Mike S]

Not sure when you visited, but as a California local and a frequent WDW visitor, a busy day at WDW feels a little cramped but it’s the wait times where you notice crowds most. On a modestly busy day at Disneyland, you may find yourself literally unable to walk because the crowds are so thick.

My second trip was during the summer and there were crowds but nothing I wasn’t already used to. The only exception being when Fantasmic ends.

 

[180º]

My second trip was during the summer and there were crowds but nothing I wasn’t already used to. The only exception being when Fantasmic ends.

Maybe the grass is just greener for me. Maybe for you too.

Although I do have sufficient evidence to prove that actual grass is in fact greener in Florida!

 

[Lensman]

Maybe the grass is just greener for me. Maybe for you too.

Although I do have sufficient evidence to prove that actual grass is in fact greener in Florida!

The grass is always greener over the septic tank.

 

[Mike S]

The grass is always greener over the septic tank.

Or, you know, when you’re not in a desert.

 

[matt9112]

They get really big really quick as every square foot of impenetrable surface requires so many cubic feet of runoff retention.

can i ask a dumb question without thread jacking?

there is no way to make concrete or asphalt porous? theres no way to integrate drainage in a more natrual way?

 

[Old Mouseketeer]

And it doesn’t have even a fraction of the amount of attractions DL has. Go figure.

It's very simple. Park capacity isn't related to acreage. It's a combination of occupiable space, including ride and queue capacity and pedestrian walkways. Fewer rides and demand (which fills the queue) is the larger of the two.

 

[Master Yoda]

can i ask a dumb question without thread jacking?

there is no way to make concrete or asphalt porous? theres no way to integrate drainage in a more natrual way?

There is, but the structural integrity suffers greatly. I have seen it used a handful of times and a concrete parking lot basically becane a gravel one inside of a couple of years.

 

[marni1971]

There is, but the structural integrity suffers greatly. I have seen it used a handful of times and a concrete parking lot basically becane a gravel one inside of a couple of years.

How’s the latest porous asphalt? Seems to be in use in Europe, albeit still experimental.

 

[Irie]

How’s the latest porous asphalt? Seems to be in use in Europe, albeit still experimental.

I have seen one in Louisiana and it is used to park heavy equipment. It is still going strong for about three/ four years now.

 

[Master Yoda]

How’s the latest porous asphalt? Seems to be in use in Europe, albeit still experimental.

Don't really know for sure.

Concrete and asphalt are a little out of my wheelhouse as my day to work typically has me focusing in a bit higher up on a building.

I would like to be optimistic, but the way you make a solid surface drain is to add open space in the form of air. Open space makes things weaker. To make matters worse, the topping is only one part of the equation. The water still has to go through whatever is below it so not only do you have a weaker topping, you have a weaker base.

At best, I think we might eventually have a product that will at least be acceptable for "we have no choice but to use it" scenarios. I don't think we will every get to a point where a structurally sound road or parking lot will drain as well as bare earth and approach the current cost of concrete/asphalt and retention ponds.

 

[spotpkt]

I would like to be optimistic, but the way you make a solid surface drain is to add open space in the form of air. Open space makes things weaker. To make matters worse, the topping is only one part of the equation. The water still has to go through whatever is below it so not only do you have a weaker topping, you have a weaker base.

On top of that, once you introduce water into the pores of a substrate and freeze it, ice expansion will crack it and start to turn into rubble. Freeze/thaw cycles are the enemy of many highly porous/fractured substrates and rocks. Anywhere that gets below freezing will have issues.

 

[Master Yoda]

On top of that, once you introduce water into the pores of a substrate and freeze it, ice expansion will crack it and start to turn into rubble. Freeze/thaw cycles are the enemy of many highly porous/fractured substrates and rocks. Anywhere that gets below freezing will have issues.

Quite correct.

It is a nice thought, but there are just too many problems to make it viable right now.

 

[Princess Leia]

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Wow this is really looking great!

 

[TP2000]

How’s the latest porous asphalt? Seems to be in use in Europe, albeit still experimental.

Disneyland's 5,500 parking space Toy Story Parking Lot uses porous asphalt that returns all the rain water into the Orange County water table (which is where Orange County's 3.5 Million residents get most of their drinking water from). The Toy Story Parking Lot opened in March, 2010 and has seen heavy daily use for the last 8 years and seems to be holding up just fine.

 

[marni1971]

Disneyland's 5,500 parking space Toy Story Parking Lot uses porous asphalt that returns all the rain water into the Orange County water table (which is where Orange County's 3.5 Million residents get most of their drinking water from). The Toy Story Parking Lot opened in March, 2010 and has seen heavy daily use for the last 8 years and seems to be holding up just fine.

I never knew that when I parked on it! Thanks

 

[TP2000]

And it doesn’t have even a fraction of the amount of attractions DL has. Go figure.

This weekend DHS will get two new rides that take it to a total of 6 rides, 3 of which are E Tickets, for the next 16 to 17 months. In late '19 DHS will add two more E Tickets in Star Wars Land.

Disneyland currently has 35 rides (Main Street Vehicles counted all together as just one ride), 11 of which are E Tickets, and 12 months from now will add two more E Tickets in Star Wars Land. And less than 100 yards south of Disneyland sits DCA, which currently has 21 rides, five of which are E Tickets.

While Star Wars Land will bring crushing humanity to both parks it opens in, I'd bet two churros that Disneyland will handle the daily load better than DHS will.

 

[smile]

This weekend DHS will get two new rides that take it to a total of 6 rides, 3 of which are E Tickets, for the next 16 to 17 months. In late '19 DHS will add two more E Tickets in Star Wars Land.

Disneyland currently has 35 rides (Main Street Vehicles counted all together as just one ride), 11 of which are E Tickets, and 12 months from now will add two more E Tickets in Star Wars Land. And less than 100 yards south of Disneyland sits DCA, which currently has 21 rides, five of which are E Tickets.

While Star Wars Land will bring crushing humanity to both parks it opens in, I'd bet two churros that Disneyland will handle the daily load better than DHS will.

try running a park in la with four rides... see how far that gets ya

 

[Master Yoda]

Disneyland's 5,500 parking space Toy Story Parking Lot uses porous asphalt that returns all the rain water into the Orange County water table (which is where Orange County's 3.5 Million residents get most of their drinking water from). The Toy Story Parking Lot opened in March, 2010 and has seen heavy daily use for the last 8 years and seems to be holding up just fine.

Only about 1/3 of the lot is porous asphalt (7.5 out of 21 acres if memory serves) and it required a good bit of extra work and materials on the substrate. From what I remember they somewhere around 12"-14" of stone, drainage pipes, etc whereas the regular asphalt just went over a typical compacted base.

It also does not hurt that DL only sees about 14" of rain per year and never freezes. WDW can see nearly that much between August and September.

As I understand it, the porous asphalt works pretty well on parking lots, but not so well on roads, especially turns where the stress on the roads goes up considerably making the application in DL pretty ideal.

 

[Jones14]

This weekend DHS will get two new rides that take it to a total of 6 rides, 3 of which are E Tickets, for the next 16 to 17 months. In late '19 DHS will add two more E Tickets in Star Wars Land.

Disneyland currently has 35 rides (Main Street Vehicles counted all together as just one ride), 11 of which are E Tickets, and 12 months from now will add two more E Tickets in Star Wars Land. And less than 100 yards south of Disneyland sits DCA, which currently has 21 rides, five of which are E Tickets.

While Star Wars Land will bring crushing humanity to both parks it opens in, I'd bet two churros that Disneyland will handle the daily load better than DHS will.

To be totally fair, I think we have to include shows in order to get an accurate look at things, since DHS has relied heavily on them to help capacity since opening day.

Granted, some of those shows stop running at some point in the day, but I’d be surprised if Indy didn’t see more guests in a day than two or three of DL’s Fantasyland dark rides put together.