DisneyFreak
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DHS is going to look like it did back in '89 when it opened when you had 3 hour lines for The Great Movie Ride and The Backstage Studio Tour.
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Star Wars Land announced for Disney's Hollywood Studios
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DHS is going to look like it did back in '89 when it opened when you had 3 hour lines for The Great Movie Ride and The Backstage Studio Tour.
It didn’t help that the woefully small "theme park" side only had Superstar and Monster Sound operating either.
smile
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that would carry more weight with me if multiple shows weren't over twenty-five years old
TP2000
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Sure, we were only talking about rides, attractions where you get in a vehicle that moves somewhere. There are lots of theater shows and walk-thru exhibits in both Disneyland and DHS.
DHS's Indiana Jones Stunt Spectacular, operating more or less daily since 1989 (although the Nazi references were removed mysteriously in 2004) has a theater with an audience capacity of 2,150. Tomorrow, a peak summer day, there are six shows scheduled at 12:00, 1:15, 3:15, 4:45 and 6:00. Assuming all six shows are at max capacity and not a seat goes empty, that's 10,750 customers seated.
Peter Pan's Flight at Disneyland has an average hourly ridership of 600 riders per hour. Disneyland is open from 8am to 12 Midnight seven days a week now through late August. With a 90 minute closure for the fireworks nightly, let's just round down to 14 hours of operation in a theme park that's open 16+ hours per day. That's 8,400 riders per day on Disneyland's Peter Pan's Flight. Add in a couple hours from Mr. Toad's Wild Ride right next door and you've got the daily max capacity for the Indiana Jones Stunt Spectacular at DHS. There are three additional dark rides in Fantasyland that have slightly higher hourly capacity than Peter Pan; Alice In Wonderland, Pinocchio's Daring Journey, and Snow White's Scary Adventures. Plus Roger Rabbit's Car Toon Spin next door in Mickey's Toontown.
I'm convinced that when you add in the animatronic and live performance theaters that operate 16 hours per day in Disneyland; Walt Disney's Enchanted Tiki Room, Mickey & The Magical Map, Great Moments With Mr. Lincoln, Path of the Jedi, and even cutesy Main Street Cinema, you get a similar figure to DHS's large but 25+ year old live theater shows .
I'll say it again, both parks will deal with crushing humanity when Star Wars Land opens, but even though Disneyland's version will open six months earlier it will take the blow and bounce back faster and more graciously than DHS will. I can't imagine how they'll deal with the pressure at DHS with only six other operating rides and a handful of 25+ year old shows like Indiana Jones, MuppetVision, Little Mermaid, Beauty and the Beast, etc.
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Free hoppers would help. Even if it's a one-time hopper pass.
As we saw when we compared the number or rides at Anaheim v. Orlando, they're roughly the same (and even the same rides). Only, Anaheim has the majority of them packed densely into DL and the rest in one other park. If you can't get into SWL in Anaheim, you have the rest of DL to soak it up.
Orlando has 9-10 in three parks and the rest in MK. If you can't get into SWL in DHS and the rest of DHS is slammed, then it would help to hop to where the rest of the rides are. Get on the Skyliner or ferry to Epcot. Or grab a bus to the MK.
WDW can make the good-that-day-only hopper available to anyone leaving DSH during the initial crush season. "You look exasperated, here's a hopper to any of our other parks today!"
For fun I just pulled out the Indy show schedule for this time in 1990. They were doing 12 shows a day. Superstar was doing 22. At 1000 guests at a time.
Here Come the Muppets was 27 shows a day. At 390 guests at a time.
Those three attractions alone when run at full efficiency were taking over 58,000 guests a day. That’s how you manage the parks capacity. As an aside.
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Man...27 shows of pure nightmare fuel a day. I am surprised a class action suit was never filed.
I loved that show. Must do a decent edit one of these days.Man...27 shows of pure nightmare fuel a day. I am surprised a class action suit was never filed.
A 6' tall Kermit the Frog still haunts my dreams to this day.
PizzaPlanet
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Maybe a recording doesn't do the show justice. It seemed okay for a temporary show, but obviously doesn't hold a candle to MV3D.
JediMasterMatt
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Introducing cold hard facts into any discussion around here is a slippery slope.
Anyone fooling themselves into thinking that DHS will be in any state that will be tolerable from an operational perspective when SWL comes online is delusional. Everything will be oversaturated in the park. Anything that spills over into anything other than EPCOT will be painful as well. MK is already bursting at the britches with the current operational capacity and if AK picks up any of DHS's overflow in the near term - it will be a mess. EPCOT's saving grace is that the size and space of the resort spreads out the crowds better and the distance between the attractions slows down people from filling the queues as quickly. 90's EPCOT could've eaten up anything SWL could've thrown it's direction just via true operational hourly throughput. Alas, those capacity monsters are no more.
So, yes - Disneyland is going to be far better suited for an enjoyable day next year than DHS and most of WDW when the tide is high.
The nightmare is likely going to be a reality of where those guests that get turned away from entering Batuu in DHS and have to find somewhere to go only to feel stuck in the park because they don't have a hopper or very probably - going to be afraid to hop in fear of getting back into the park when phased closings are in play.
Timothy_Q
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Disneyland is already 10x worse than anywhere at WDW
It has zero space for more guests. It'll be pure chaos with SWL
JediMasterMatt
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All the space in the world to cram more guests into a park doesn't compensate for what those guests can actually DO while in said park.
Disneyland on a busy day has busy streets; but, you can actually accomplish things while you are in the park - ride rides, see shows, eat, etc.
DHS on a busy day has busy streets; but, you won't be able to get anywhere near the same amount of things accomplished because the guest per attraction ratio is so incredibly low. Imagine the worst of DHS (Osborne lights or SWW at it's peak); but, even more when SWL comes online.
Both parks will have wall-to-wall guests in the streets. DHS is simply going to have much longer lines for every service the park offers.
Don't be surprised to find out next year that other than the crush of humanity in Anaheim - people are going to very surprised by how many other things they will be able to get done in Disneyland while SWL is packed.
Still, if a person's barometer of "busy/crazy/chaos" is only how busy the streets are - I can see why they may think DHS is a better fit.
For me, the proof will be in how long the lines for everything will be once the tide rolls in.
Timothy_Q
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I see what you mean.
But being a Disneyland local, and being used to crammed walkways every single day of the year, I was so surprised to find WDW so "empty" on my trip last year. You can actually enjoy walking around the parks and taking in the atmosphere. Even Pandora, with 3h lines, had room to breathe in the land. Disneyland doesn't have that anywhere.
doctornick
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Totally agree with your point, but a quibble: the Mickey ride will also open by late 2019 at DHS.
doctornick
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Regarding the crowds at DHS, in addition to updating the shows (and running them more frequently), they would do well to (1) run a daytime parade again and (2) add regular shows to the Sunset Showcase space as well as a daytime show to the Fantasmic theater. Basically, they really need to use every existing space in the park to the fullest extend to keep people entertained.
Where are the footers for the DHS monorail?
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