SPOILERS: The Mandalorian Season 2 Discussion

[erasure fan1]

Yeah this was a fantastic episode, I loved every bit of it. Bill Burr was great throughout the episode. The fact that Mando took off his helmet for Grogu was huge character growth. Operation cinder was a great Easter egg. Mando's message to Moff Gideon was great. If I had one complaint is that I was a bit disappointed that they didn't lean into one of the greatest sound effect in star wars. As soon as I saw the seismic charges I was waiting for that awesome sound effect. But it didn't have that same kick. I can't wait for next week, it's going to be epic!

 

[1HAPPYGHOSTHOST]

Yeah this was a fantastic episode, I loved every bit of it. Bill Burr was great throughout the episode. The fact that Mando took off his helmet for Grogu was huge character growth. Operation cinder was a great Easter egg. Mando's message to Moff Gideon was great. If I had one complaint is that I was a bit disappointed that they didn't lean into one of the greatest sound effect in star wars. As soon as I saw the seismic charges I was waiting for that awesome sound effect. But it didn't have that same kick. I can't wait for next week, it's going to be epic!

The sound effect was the exact same from Attack of the Clones

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Yeah this was a fantastic episode, I loved every bit of it. Bill Burr was great throughout the episode. The fact that Mando took off his helmet for Grogu was huge character growth. Operation cinder was a great Easter egg. Mando's message to Moff Gideon was great. If I had one complaint is that I was a bit disappointed that they didn't lean into one of the greatest sound effect in star wars. As soon as I saw the seismic charges I was waiting for that awesome sound effect. But it didn't have that same kick. I can't wait for next week, it's going to be epic!

That sound effect was put in specifically for theater sound systems in 2002 and was a BAD movie...the fact they pulled off two throwbacks to that movie somewhat tastefully is a big win...

And one to office space

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

The sound effect was the exact same from Attack of the Clones

It was setup differently...a tad. That was one of the few cool minutes from that movie...

...which might be more memorable for moments still than the sequels

 

[Robbiem]

I respect your opinion, but I want to know why you think this is a filler episode?

I thought this episode was possibly the best this season because it had great character development, it moved the story along, it had a great screenplay, and it was very fun to watch.

I didn’t mean I didn’t enjoy the episode. By filler I meant that it didn’t really advance the underlying story of Mando’s quest to return Grogu to the Jedi. Perhaps standalone would be a better description. I thought the spider one was similar (unless frog lady turns out to be the jedi who answers grogu’s call). By contrast the Ashoka and Boba Fett episodes felt more a park of the quest and core to the show

If you hadn’t made this episode it’s likely you could have gone straight from the boba Fett episode to the finale with no loss of story. I might be wrong and there could be something crucial from this episode that is key to next week (the empire now knows Dins face for example)

On the plus side there was some interesting character development the idea of a former imperial turning because he realised his past crimes were wrong was interesting but bringing Mayfeld back was a bit contrived to me. Other star wars stories dont have a problem finding the bad guys or infiltrating Imperial bases so making a big thing out of we need this guy as he is the only one who knows how to get to a terminal was a bit overdone especially as mando ended up doing it himself. Why did you need a face scan if you aren’t registered on a system? Maybe events like this episode and Bo Katan one will make Mando challenge his rules in future and he will remove his helmet like some of the other clans, or perhaps mayfeld will turn up somewhere and Cara will be kicked out of her job and become an outlaw again?

Its similar to the last series of the clone wars. Of the three story arcs only the battle of manadalore advanced and concluded the underlying narrative of the show, the bad batch and ashoka and the mechanics arcs were ok to watch but if Disney had only made the last four episodes you wouldn’t have felt you had missed a big chunk of story.

hopefully that explains my thoughts. I didnt dislike the episode and I can see why others would like it. For me it was the weakest of the series but still a lot better than other shows on tv

 

[Darstarr]

And one to office space

Even my husband, who knows just north of nothing about Star Wars, loved this episode and got a huge chuckle from the TPS reports!

Was anyone else extremely uncomfortable when Mando took his helmet off??? I had a hard time looking at him, it felt wrong.

 

[erasure fan1]

It was setup differently...a tad. That was one of the few cool minutes from that movie...

...which might be more memorable for moments still than the sequels

And while the noise is similar the movie really leans into that very synthesized sound. Yes it was one of the best parts of the movie. I'd say it was one of the coolest scenes in the prequels.

or perhaps mayfeld will turn up somewhere and Cara will be kicked out of her job and become an outlaw again?

This straight up seemed like a setup for the rangers of the Republic series in my opinion.

 

[1HAPPYGHOSTHOST]

It was setup differently...a tad. That was one of the few cool minutes from that movie...

...which might be more memorable for moments still than the sequels

It was the exact same sound.

 

[MarvelCharacterNerd]

Was anyone else extremely uncomfortable when Mando took his helmet off??? I had a hard time looking at him, it felt wrong.

I felt awful for him, but proud of him, too, for prioritizing a life (and his love for that life) over a symbol. But yes, it was hard to watch. Not to put too fine a point on it, but it was like watching a Muslim being forced to remove a headscarf or a Jew a yarmulka - it was like betraying a deeply held religious observance to save a life. The right choice, but an understandably difficult one for a person of faith. There was also a weird modesty quality about it, too, like he was forced to disrobe. All of which added up to a show that makes you think about values and choices and makes me glad I'm watching it (for more than just the cute baby).

 

[Disney Experience]

I enjoyed the episode, though my wife said at the end, "I was cheated of an hour of my life...There was no Gorgo!" I just chuckled.

 

[1HAPPYGHOSTHOST]

I enjoyed the episode, though my wife said at the end, "I was cheated of an hour of my life...There was no Gorgo!" I just chuckled.

Episode was only 38 minutes

 

[Disney Experience]

Episode was only 38 minutes

True, but I never notice the actually time, I am still old school and think in 30 minute increments rounding up. Though I am glad to avoid the 20+ minutes of commercials (Reason I pay extra for no commercials on a number of streams). Plus there were a few false starts getting the show on the road. (Stopped to make popcorn, pet interruptions to go out, etc.)

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

True, but I never notice the actually time, I am still old school and think in 30 minute increments rounding up. Though I am glad to avoid the 20+ minutes of commercials (Reason I pay extra for no commercials on a number of streams). Plus there were a few false starts getting the show on the road. (Stopped to make popcorn, pet interruptions to go out, etc.)

A 90s episode of Star Trek was 43-45 minutes. A sitcom was 22...a kids cartoon was 17-18 maximum.

I’m good with the length. But they probably shouldn’t have an entire season in 275 minutes...which is like 2 movies at most

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

It was the exact same sound.

If you’ll recall (and if you don’t ill tell you)

That sound was blasted in thx as basically the precursor to rpx “rumble seats” intentionally to shock the audience. It was talked about in the “making of” type material afterward.

It was also the first time there was no score background in any Star Wars movie. I’m not sure they’ve ever done it again?

 

[MisterPenguin]

 

[1HAPPYGHOSTHOST]

If you’ll recall (and if you don’t ill tell you)

That sound was blasted in thx as basically the precursor to rpx “rumble seats” intentionally to shock the audience. It was talked about in the “making of” type material afterward.

It was also the first time there was no score background in any Star Wars movie. I’m not sure they’ve ever done it again?

I knew all that and you are incorrect about it being the first time. when r2 gets attacked by the jawas in A New Hope there is no background score. So it was not the first time. and the sound was the same as it was in episode 2.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I knew all that and you are incorrect about it being the first time. when r2 gets attacked by the jawas in A New Hope there is no background score. So it was not the first time. and the sound was the same as it was in episode 2.

I just listened to the clip twice...and it seems like there’s a very minor horn or sound behind...

But I’ll assume you’re right. The standoffish doesn’t address the point here: that the frame/setup of the sound doesn’t have the same effect. First, it’s more subdued...which makes sense since it was shot from above/below from the perspective of the characters observations.

The AOTC was for shock. Split screen them if you have too...it’s just not worth the debate.

I’m with Erasure on this one...same sound but th execution doesn’t make it identical. One opinion...yours is another. No harm in that.

 

[Sharon&Susan]

There was never a peace treaty. Not ever hinted at in any of the mountains of material.

Mando takes place about 4 years after Jedi...which means there would have been an on-going battle to eradicate the threats and rebuild order.

Everything in the show jives with that.

The DT screwed up the new republic more than anyone could have thought possible. That’s the real issue here...now they have to almost throw dirt on it to bring the Lucas stuff back to rebuild their marketing empire.

That’s exactly what’s going on here. Don’t be fooled.

The mention of Operation: Cinder in this week confirms that Filoni and Favreau aren't retconning away the peace treaty in current canon. Palpatine's posthumous scorched earth policy is what led to such a quick defeat of the Empire:
Operation: Cinder | Wookieepedia | Fandom
There was a peace treaty in the EU, but it didn't happen until long after the time period the show takes place and gave the Empire much greater autonomy than in the current canon:

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

The mention of Operation: Cinder in this week confirms that Filoni and Favreau aren't retconning away the peace treaty in current canon. Palpatine's posthumous scorched earth policy is what led to such a quick defeat of the Empire:
Operation: Cinder | Wookieepedia | Fandom
There was a peace treaty in the EU, but it didn't happen until long after the time period the show takes place and gave the Empire much greater autonomy than in the current canon:

They may be acknowledging the deep dive EU stuff. Palleon was a character that was literally in the first pages of the first zahn book...literally ground zero for the EU...

...but if so, it makes the Disney sequels completely silly/irrelevant. Which if that’s the point - I’m all for it.

 

[flynnibus]

its the same sound my guy. its just not blarring and shaking you because we are not in a theater. And there is no horn in the r2 scene. the music does not come back on until after the jawas blast him and they go to collect him. before that its just the ambient background noises.

And thats why the scene in the prequel was so unique... they used the “void of space” to setup the stark contrast of the weapon. They go into this nothingness and you get this bass chord. Its not done like this at all in the Mandalorian episode.

The sound is done very differently when you watch them back to back. And given the way these guys guy nuts over details i am sure its very intentional... as this scene is done in the atmosphere verse the space sequence in aotc.

In ep15 the effect is done like its almost under water. The initial detonation is supressed and then you get the strong chord afterwards. Its very different from the prior sequence which is done with the silience effect with a very clear strike of the chord in aotc.

Aotc sequence