SPOILER: The Acolyte -- Disney+ Star Wars -- begins June 5, 2024

[Tha Realest]

It's someone watching the usual suspects on you tube and projecting that on all the fans that have issues with the show. It can't be a mediocre product, it has to be toxic fans! Kennedy is knocking it out of the park, it can't be bad!

Maybe THN only focuses on shows that crack the Nielsen ratings, which hasn’t been the case since just after the series debuted

 

[DKampy]

Well my guess would be that some, like myself, have A LOT of years invested in star wars. So talking about what went wrong, what can be better is fairly normal. It's what fandoms do. When those people stop talking about it you cross the bridge to apathy. And that's a lot worse than complaining on a forum. Most, not all, that "complain" about star wars, just want it to be better. And unfortunately as much as I wanted this show to be good, it just really fell short for me. And that's unfortunately been a Disney star wars trend.

I have invested many years into Star Wars as well… my first film going experience was seeing A New Hope in 1977 as a 5 year old… by Empire (my all time favorite movie)I was hooked… my least favorite Star Wars film was The Rise of Skywalker… it is the only Star Wars movie I have seen only once… said so when it was first released… and I moved on some still feel the need to rail on the movie 5 years later

 

[erasure fan1]

I have invested many years into Star Wars as well… my first film going experience was seeing A New Hope in 1977 as a 5 year old… by Empire (my all time favorite movie)I was hooked… my least favorite Star Wars film was The Rise of Skywalker… it is the only Star Wars movie I have seen only once… said so when it was first released… and I moved on some still feel the need to rail on the movie 5 years later

We're in the acolyte thread. The show is just over a week since it ended. Of course people are going to still complain about it, there's a lot that could have been done MUCH better. Why isn't there a bigger group of people talking about what was great and what could be if there's a season 2?

If you've been a fan for that long, then you know it's nothing new. Fans have been going back and forth on things like Ewoks since 1983. It's called being a fan. As I said earlier, apathy would be the worst thing for star wars. At least if people are "complaining", they still have some investment.

 

[DKampy]

We're in the acolyte thread. The show is just over a week since it ended. Of course people are going to still complain about it, there's a lot that could have been done MUCH better. Why isn't there a bigger group of people talking about what was great and what could be if there's a season 2?

If you've been a fan for that long, then you know it's nothing new. Fans have been going back and forth on things like Ewoks since 1983. It's called being a fan. As I said earlier, apathy would be the worst thing for star wars. At least if people are "complaining", they still have some investment.

This has not stopped people from saying they disliked Disney Star Wars and That Star Wars would not be good until Kennedy leaves… but yet they keep watching…There is too much content out there these days to continue to watch something I know I will dislike

People still go on and on about their disdain for the sequel trilogy

 

[flynnibus]

Why isn't there a bigger group of people talking about what was great and what could be if there's a season 2?

Because it’s a tv show… not my daily workout.

Tv shows… that we consume, then put aside, so we can consume some other tv show. I don’t know about you.., but in my world most people expend more energy on now and up and coming… not rehashing what was already said.

When they makes news about s2… or one of these characters gets some crossover references… thrn there will be more noise.

But like andor….

 

[erasure fan1]

This has not stopped people from saying they disliked Disney Star Wars and That Star Wars would not be good until Kennedy leaves… but yet they keep watching…

You must not be a sports fan. Just because you don't like the coach, doesn't mean you disown the team. Kennedy is a bad coach. It's highly unlikely the team gets better under her leadership. She's in the hall of fame, her record as a producer is set. But she's not a good fit for star wars. I don't see why that's such a controversial take. People who don't like Kennedy star wars watch because they are hopeful it gets better. The acolyte seems to show that. People gave the show a chance because they hoped it would be good. By the fourth episode it fell off the map.

Because it’s a tv show… not my daily workout.

Tv shows… that we consume, then put aside, so we can consume some other tv show. I don’t know about you.., but in my world most people expend more energy on now and up and coming… not rehashing what was already said.

I don't know, maybe that mentality is part of the problem. They're more concerned about pumping out content instead of well thought out ideas and quality. If everyone has that attitude, why bother trying? Good, bad, doesn't matter. Consume content and move on. Who cares, I'll just wait for the next thing. Star wars was built on the fans talking about it, debating it, even complaining about it LONG after it's the here and now.

As far as the "now and up and coming". How is the acolyte not now? It's only a bit over a week old. And for the up and coming? That's a bit hard with how badly Kennedy has handled the brand. What of the multitude of content she announced but most likely never happen do we talk about? What's upcoming? What's the plan? How about Skeleton crew, you know the show that was supposed to be before acolyte? Where's the trailer? What's going on?

So as far as I see it we are talking about what we can. It's not our fault that what they've given us is more negative than positive. So if you don't dwell on stuff once it's done. Why dwell on people still discussing this? I would think you would just move on to something different if it's not your thing?

 

[flynnibus]

I don't know, maybe that mentality is part of the problem. They're more concerned about pumping out content instead of well thought out ideas and quality. If everyone has that attitude, why bother trying?

It’s a tv show dude. People watch it and they sell your eyeballs or charge you to watch. It’s not a brand of its own… it’s not some ecosystem… it’s not some long term recurring renewing product. It’s a TV show they hope will entertain and can draw customers. They have no ambition that people are going to keep going back to the well on a tv show of this format. They aren’t doing syndicated episodic content to keep in repeats, etc. Consume and look to the next is what is expected. It’s now part of the library… not that people are going to keep rewatching.

That’s more about the format than anything.

Good, bad, doesn't matter. Consume content and move on. Who cares, I'll just wait for the next thing. Star wars was built on the fans talking about it, debating it, even complaining about it LONG after it's the here and now.

‘Star wars was built on…’ what on earth are you talking about. Fandoms as we know them now came long after the actual films were made… and certainly not part of the creative process. Kershner wasn’t sweating nerd fights… they were courting the masses.

As far as the "now and up and coming". How is the acolyte not now? It's only a bit over a week old. And for the up and coming? That's a bit hard with how badly Kennedy has handled the brand. What of the multitude of content she announced but most likely never happen do we talk about?

Well this is the thread about one show… if you want to droll about the future of the brand isn’t there some other better place to do that? And not be befuddled by the fact people aren’t just arguing in circles so you can see some life about the brand?

So if you don't dwell on stuff once it's done. Why dwell on people still discussing this? I would think you would just move on to something different if it's not your thing?

Thats what people were doing… and you had to post to question why no one was doing what YOU thought they should. Seems a repeating theme here…

 

[erasure fan1]

It’s a tv show dude. People watch it and they sell your eyeballs or charge you to watch. It’s not a brand of its own… it’s not some ecosystem… it’s not some long term recurring renewing product. It’s a TV show they hope will entertain and can draw customers. They have no ambition that people are going to keep going back to the well on a tv show of this format. They aren’t doing syndicated episodic content to keep in repeats, etc. Consume and look to the next is what is expected. It’s now part of the library… not that people are going to keep rewatching.

You might try reading what you post out loud. Disney has no ambition that people keep coming back? If you keep producing turds, people will stop showing up all together. You have a pretty flawed viewpoint.

Star wars was built on…’ what on earth are you talking about. Fandoms as we know them now came long after the actual films were made… and certainly not part of the creative process. Kershner wasn’t sweating nerd fights… they were courting the masses.

The fan base as we know it now is basically the same fan base from then. They talk and discuss the same way, just in a different format. I never said they have to listen to anyone. But they might want to consult with someone because they seem to have a grasp on what they are doing.

Well this is the thread about one show… if you want to droll about the future of the brand isn’t there some other better place to do that?

Maybe try reading more. I'm not drolling about anything. I was responding to another poster saying move on to up and coming projects. I don't want to droll on it because as of now there's nothing to droll about, that's the problem.

Thats what people were doing… and you had to post to question why no one was doing what YOU thought they should. Seems a repeating theme here…

You are on a discussion board Einstein. I gave my opinion, it's what you do on a... discussion board. You seem very offended I questioned lucasfilm on this show. You keep bringing it up, why bother responding? I get it, you want to shill for them, that's fine, you do you. But to think your opinion is some superior vision is fairly laughable. Especially when this show has performed the way it has. Yea, and I have the bad take.

 

[DKampy]

You must not be a sports fan. Just because you don't like the coach, doesn't mean you disown the team. Kennedy is a bad coach. It's highly unlikely the team gets better under her leadership. She's in the hall of fame, her record as a producer is set. But she's not a good fit for star wars. I don't see why that's such a controversial take. People who don't like Kennedy star wars watch because they are hopeful it gets better. The acolyte seems to show that. People gave the show a chance because they hoped it would be good. By the fourth episode it fell off the map.

For the most part I am not a sports fan… except I am a die hard Chicago Cubs fan…. So I know the feeling of sticking with a team no matter what… I guess I see sports different than watching content… most die hard sports fans I know are obsessed… but the people I do know that are Star Wars fans fall into 2 camps… those that are happy with Disney Star Wars and those that aren’t… the ones that aren’t have stopped watching… I fall in the middle so I continue to watch as I still enjoy some… but there are some people ( and I know this is not you because I saw state you were hoping to like The Acolyte)who declare that the show was going to be awful before even the first episode aired because it was Disney… but yet still watch and discuss… why???… there are hours and hours of content available I am sure they would enjoy more

 

[networkpro]

IMHO, I hope that Disney finds something else to consume the budget that might be spent on a theoretical second section of "The wardrobe and scenery show". To me it was fairly incoherent, not engaging ( not being force sensitive, a force clone twin, or raised by a cult there's no way I could identify with any of these themes), and poorly written. That's my final comment after watching the final (I hope) episode last night.

 

[flynnibus]

You might try reading what you post out loud. Disney has no ambition that people keep coming back? If you keep producing turds, people will stop showing up all together. You have a pretty flawed viewpoint.

Or you need it writt out in crayon for you… this show format is not intended for repeat viewing. They aren’t losing any sleep if people don’t go back for casual repeats on 8hr miniseries!

I even said it outright ‘a tv show of this format’. If you think the post is flawed… consider reading it more till you find the pieces you skip over.

The fan base as we know it now is basically the same fan base from then. They talk and discuss the same way, just in a different format.

Non sense. Remind me again where you were during the OT release and the quiet years afterwards?

You are on a discussion board Einstein. I gave my opinion, it's what you do on a... discussion board.

there is also a decorum on staying on topic. You throw out suggestions that aren’t even relevant for the thread.

You keep bringing it up, why bother responding? I get it, you want to shill for them, that's fine, you do you. But to think your opinion is some superior vision is fairly laughable. Especially when this show has performed the way it has. Yea, and I have the bad take.

Me a ahill? Good lord… i have no idea what you put into your body before you make these posts… but you really should stop. No idea what cloud you are posting from.

 

[erasure fan1]

Star Wars fans fall into 2 camps… those that are happy with Disney Star Wars and those that aren’t… the ones that aren’t have stopped watching… I fall in the middle so I continue to watch as I still enjoy some… but there are some people ( and I know this is not you because I saw state you were hoping to like The Acolyte)

I have nothing against anyone who enjoys Disney star wars. But it's always a bit amusing to see so many just immediately throw out the hate mongering card at anyone who criticizes Disney star wars. I personally had high hopes for Disney star wars, and I still do. But when something doesn't work for me I'm going to say it. I've said many times there's a good story inside the acolyte. It's just not told particularly well. But yet I keep hearing your just mad because they aren't telling the story you want. Uhh no, it's just poor storytelling in my opinion, there's a difference.

I stuck up for the show until after ep6. Even then I gave it the benefit of the doubt. I did what so many complain that no one does. And that's watch the whole thing before you make your final judgement. But it seems even that's still not good enough. And it's just a little perplexing that discussing the flaws made so many so upset. In my opinion the complaints were really all in good faith. There wasn't any "toxic" behavior like what wendy tried to cry. Both good and bad were both being discussed.

 

[erasure fan1]

Or you need it writt out in crayon for you… this show format is not intended for repeat viewing. They aren’t losing any sleep if people don’t go back for casual repeats on 8hr miniseries!

I even said it outright ‘a tv show of this format’. If you think the post is flawed… consider reading it more till you find the pieces you skip over.

Sorry, I just don't buy it. If you think Disney is making their content to be one and done, fine. They might not lose any sleep if people don't go back for seconds. But I guarantee they lose sleep if people stop going for firsts.

Non sense. Remind me again where you were during the OT release and the quiet years afterwards?

I was talking about it with friends and family. Debating things like Ewoks and speculating how Vader became evil, or what happened in the battle of Taanab... We would watch the VHS tapes, I even had them on laser disc. If there was a video game I wanted it. You know, normal things that fans do. If you want everything to be one and done, good for you. But sorry to burst your bubble, not everyone is like you.

there is also a decorum on staying on topic. You throw out suggestions that aren’t even relevant for the thread.

Again, it wasn't my thread derailment. It was another poster who brought it up to me and I was responding. Trace back threads, it helps.

Me a ahill? Good lord… i have no idea what you put into your body before you make these posts… but you really should stop. No idea what cloud you are posting from

What else should I think? You've now multiple times railed on me for something that isn't true. That's shilling in my book. You're defending the product by making things up and being unreasonable. If I'm so wrong, here's a thought, ignore me. It's not that hard. But you've taken a very odd stance on an opinion you are in the extreme minority on.

 

[flynnibus]

If I'm so wrong, here's a thought, ignore me

Great idea - done

 

[DKampy]

I have nothing against anyone who enjoys Disney star wars. But it's always a bit amusing to see so many just immediately throw out the hate mongering card at anyone who criticizes Disney star wars. I personally had high hopes for Disney star wars, and I still do. But when something doesn't work for me I'm going to say it. I've said many times there's a good story inside the acolyte. It's just not told particularly well. But yet I keep hearing your just mad because they aren't telling the story you want. Uhh no, it's just poor storytelling in my opinion, there's a difference.

I stuck up for the show until after ep6. Even then I gave it the benefit of the doubt. I did what so many complain that no one does. And that's watch the whole thing before you make your final judgement. But it seems even that's still not good enough. And it's just a little perplexing that discussing the flaws made so many so upset. In my opinion the complaints were really all in good faith. There wasn't any "toxic" behavior like what wendy tried to cry. Both good and bad were both being discussed.

I never threw out any hate cards… I just said people I know IRL either like Disney Star Wars or did not care for Disney Star Wars…I did not use the word hate in any capacity

 

[erasure fan1]

I never threw out any hate cards… I just said people I know IRL either like Disney Star Wars or did not care for Disney Star Wars…I did not use the word hate in any capacity

No not you, I said in my post it was Wendy whoever that came out saying the criticism was part of the hate network.

"The usual trolls certainly haven't, based on the casual sexism and homophobia being peddled here."

That's where a lot of this discussion went off the rails. While I haven't read every single post, I have read at least 95% of them. And this comment was not posted in good faith as I've seen none of that in this thread. It's the same ol' same ol' group who have to assign that lable to all the fans because they have to defend Disney at all cost. And unfortunately the quality of content isn't strong enough to defend based on itself. So when all else fails, it's hidden agendas and casual sexism...

 

[Wendy Pleakley]

No not you, I said in my post it was Wendy whoever that came out saying the criticism was part of the hate network.

"The usual trolls certainly haven't, based on the casual sexism and homophobia being peddled here."

That's where a lot of this discussion went off the rails. While I haven't read every single post, I have read at least 95% of them. And this comment was not posted in good faith as I've seen none of that in this thread. It's the same ol' same ol' group who have to assign that lable to all the fans because they have to defend Disney at all cost. And unfortunately the quality of content isn't strong enough to defend based on itself. So when all else fails, it's hidden agendas and casual sexism...

No one said anything about a "hate network".

And yes, there are comments that come across as sexist and homophobic. Note the disdain for the notion that it could have been two women involved together some way.

Gotta love the “forget he’s literally evil, HE’S HOT!!!” messaging.

Very pro-women and anti toxic masculinity Disney

Bunch of god damn hypocrites lol

I'm surprised it wasn't a woman.

 

[doctornick]

She snapped because she was lied to by the person she trusted the most, who killed her 'mom.' She also learned that it wasn't her sister who killed the rest of the witches with the fire she accidentally set. And we discover it was this gnawing anger and grief which kept her from becoming a Jedi.

Did we ever find out how the rest of the witches dies? It wasn’t clear if it was just them overusing their powers during the group chant or the Jedi killed them off screen or it was Mae from lighting the fire. It’s a weird thing to leave hanging.

 

[BrianLo]

Did we ever find out how the rest of the witches dies? It wasn’t clear if it was just them overusing their powers during the group chant or the Jedi killed them off screen or it was Mae from lighting the fire. It’s a weird thing to leave hanging.

They were all using their powers to posses Kelnacca and when Indara forced them out she seemed to have severed them from their life force in the process.

 

[Tony the Tigger]

I mean, why do you think Loki is one of the most popular characters in Marvel? Or for that matter, why are Marilyn Monroe, young Elvis, and James Dean still iconic?

People like pretty people.

Wait, Loki is hot? In what universe?