SPOILER: The Acolyte -- Disney+ Star Wars -- begins June 5, 2024

[networkpro]

IMHO, I hope that Disney finds something else to consume the budget that might be spent on a theoretical second section of "The wardrobe and scenery show". To me it was fairly incoherent, not engaging ( not being force sensitive, a force clone twin, or raised by a cult there's no way I could identify with any of these themes), and poorly written. That's my final comment after watching the final (I hope) episode last night.

 

[flynnibus]

You might try reading what you post out loud. Disney has no ambition that people keep coming back? If you keep producing turds, people will stop showing up all together. You have a pretty flawed viewpoint.

Or you need it writt out in crayon for you… this show format is not intended for repeat viewing. They aren’t losing any sleep if people don’t go back for casual repeats on 8hr miniseries!

I even said it outright ‘a tv show of this format’. If you think the post is flawed… consider reading it more till you find the pieces you skip over.

The fan base as we know it now is basically the same fan base from then. They talk and discuss the same way, just in a different format.

Non sense. Remind me again where you were during the OT release and the quiet years afterwards?

You are on a discussion board Einstein. I gave my opinion, it's what you do on a... discussion board.

there is also a decorum on staying on topic. You throw out suggestions that aren’t even relevant for the thread.

You keep bringing it up, why bother responding? I get it, you want to shill for them, that's fine, you do you. But to think your opinion is some superior vision is fairly laughable. Especially when this show has performed the way it has. Yea, and I have the bad take.

Me a ahill? Good lord… i have no idea what you put into your body before you make these posts… but you really should stop. No idea what cloud you are posting from.

 

[erasure fan1]

Star Wars fans fall into 2 camps… those that are happy with Disney Star Wars and those that aren’t… the ones that aren’t have stopped watching… I fall in the middle so I continue to watch as I still enjoy some… but there are some people ( and I know this is not you because I saw state you were hoping to like The Acolyte)

I have nothing against anyone who enjoys Disney star wars. But it's always a bit amusing to see so many just immediately throw out the hate mongering card at anyone who criticizes Disney star wars. I personally had high hopes for Disney star wars, and I still do. But when something doesn't work for me I'm going to say it. I've said many times there's a good story inside the acolyte. It's just not told particularly well. But yet I keep hearing your just mad because they aren't telling the story you want. Uhh no, it's just poor storytelling in my opinion, there's a difference.

I stuck up for the show until after ep6. Even then I gave it the benefit of the doubt. I did what so many complain that no one does. And that's watch the whole thing before you make your final judgement. But it seems even that's still not good enough. And it's just a little perplexing that discussing the flaws made so many so upset. In my opinion the complaints were really all in good faith. There wasn't any "toxic" behavior like what wendy tried to cry. Both good and bad were both being discussed.

 

[erasure fan1]

Or you need it writt out in crayon for you… this show format is not intended for repeat viewing. They aren’t losing any sleep if people don’t go back for casual repeats on 8hr miniseries!

I even said it outright ‘a tv show of this format’. If you think the post is flawed… consider reading it more till you find the pieces you skip over.

Sorry, I just don't buy it. If you think Disney is making their content to be one and done, fine. They might not lose any sleep if people don't go back for seconds. But I guarantee they lose sleep if people stop going for firsts.

Non sense. Remind me again where you were during the OT release and the quiet years afterwards?

I was talking about it with friends and family. Debating things like Ewoks and speculating how Vader became evil, or what happened in the battle of Taanab... We would watch the VHS tapes, I even had them on laser disc. If there was a video game I wanted it. You know, normal things that fans do. If you want everything to be one and done, good for you. But sorry to burst your bubble, not everyone is like you.

there is also a decorum on staying on topic. You throw out suggestions that aren’t even relevant for the thread.

Again, it wasn't my thread derailment. It was another poster who brought it up to me and I was responding. Trace back threads, it helps.

Me a ahill? Good lord… i have no idea what you put into your body before you make these posts… but you really should stop. No idea what cloud you are posting from

What else should I think? You've now multiple times railed on me for something that isn't true. That's shilling in my book. You're defending the product by making things up and being unreasonable. If I'm so wrong, here's a thought, ignore me. It's not that hard. But you've taken a very odd stance on an opinion you are in the extreme minority on.

 

[flynnibus]

If I'm so wrong, here's a thought, ignore me

Great idea - done

 

[DKampy]

I have nothing against anyone who enjoys Disney star wars. But it's always a bit amusing to see so many just immediately throw out the hate mongering card at anyone who criticizes Disney star wars. I personally had high hopes for Disney star wars, and I still do. But when something doesn't work for me I'm going to say it. I've said many times there's a good story inside the acolyte. It's just not told particularly well. But yet I keep hearing your just mad because they aren't telling the story you want. Uhh no, it's just poor storytelling in my opinion, there's a difference.

I stuck up for the show until after ep6. Even then I gave it the benefit of the doubt. I did what so many complain that no one does. And that's watch the whole thing before you make your final judgement. But it seems even that's still not good enough. And it's just a little perplexing that discussing the flaws made so many so upset. In my opinion the complaints were really all in good faith. There wasn't any "toxic" behavior like what wendy tried to cry. Both good and bad were both being discussed.

I never threw out any hate cards… I just said people I know IRL either like Disney Star Wars or did not care for Disney Star Wars…I did not use the word hate in any capacity

 

[erasure fan1]

I never threw out any hate cards… I just said people I know IRL either like Disney Star Wars or did not care for Disney Star Wars…I did not use the word hate in any capacity

No not you, I said in my post it was Wendy whoever that came out saying the criticism was part of the hate network.

"The usual trolls certainly haven't, based on the casual sexism and homophobia being peddled here."

That's where a lot of this discussion went off the rails. While I haven't read every single post, I have read at least 95% of them. And this comment was not posted in good faith as I've seen none of that in this thread. It's the same ol' same ol' group who have to assign that lable to all the fans because they have to defend Disney at all cost. And unfortunately the quality of content isn't strong enough to defend based on itself. So when all else fails, it's hidden agendas and casual sexism...

 

[Wendy Pleakley]

No not you, I said in my post it was Wendy whoever that came out saying the criticism was part of the hate network.

"The usual trolls certainly haven't, based on the casual sexism and homophobia being peddled here."

That's where a lot of this discussion went off the rails. While I haven't read every single post, I have read at least 95% of them. And this comment was not posted in good faith as I've seen none of that in this thread. It's the same ol' same ol' group who have to assign that lable to all the fans because they have to defend Disney at all cost. And unfortunately the quality of content isn't strong enough to defend based on itself. So when all else fails, it's hidden agendas and casual sexism...

No one said anything about a "hate network".

And yes, there are comments that come across as sexist and homophobic. Note the disdain for the notion that it could have been two women involved together some way.

Gotta love the “forget he’s literally evil, HE’S HOT!!!” messaging.

Very pro-women and anti toxic masculinity Disney

Bunch of god damn hypocrites lol

I'm surprised it wasn't a woman.

 

[doctornick]

She snapped because she was lied to by the person she trusted the most, who killed her 'mom.' She also learned that it wasn't her sister who killed the rest of the witches with the fire she accidentally set. And we discover it was this gnawing anger and grief which kept her from becoming a Jedi.

Did we ever find out how the rest of the witches dies? It wasn’t clear if it was just them overusing their powers during the group chant or the Jedi killed them off screen or it was Mae from lighting the fire. It’s a weird thing to leave hanging.

 

[BrianLo]

Did we ever find out how the rest of the witches dies? It wasn’t clear if it was just them overusing their powers during the group chant or the Jedi killed them off screen or it was Mae from lighting the fire. It’s a weird thing to leave hanging.

They were all using their powers to posses Kelnacca and when Indara forced them out she seemed to have severed them from their life force in the process.

 

[Tony the Tigger]

I mean, why do you think Loki is one of the most popular characters in Marvel? Or for that matter, why are Marilyn Monroe, young Elvis, and James Dean still iconic?

People like pretty people.

Wait, Loki is hot? In what universe?

 

[doctornick]

Overall, I didnt like the ending. I actually thought the show was decent in terms of being entertaining but with a completely unsatisfying ending. My bullet point thoughts…

- Thought Sol was the best character in the show, pretty justified in his actions, and didn’t deserve to be done dirty. Not only getting killed by having his name soiled.

- I didn’t buy the Osha change. Way too abrupt and didn’t fit. I don’t buy it and joining Qimir just didn’t make any sense.

- why the hell did they need to wipe Mae’s memory? Just all fly away together. Completely nonsensical. They could always drop off Mae somewhere else if need be

- could they explain what the heck is up with Bazil? His actions didn’t follow any obvious logic but drive the plot a good bit. Is there any reason he and Sol didn’t just talk? Weird

- I just hate this descent of making Jedi look bad. They should be haughty and with hubris. But always doing the right thing and not morally grey.

- I hate vanestra. She just is so annoying and looks weird too. I wish she had died almost all the characters.

- Qimir is the only living character who I’m interested in seeing more of. Curious about his backstory. I wouldn’t care if Osha and Mae died off screen.

I thought it was better than Boba Fett, about on par with Obi Wan. More fun but less quality than Andor. Ashoka and Mando still are the best SW live action shows.

 

[erasure fan1]

No one said anything about a "hate network".

And yes, there are comments that come across as sexist and homophobic. Note the disdain for the notion that it could have been two women involved together some way.

You realize the quote from @Mike S is pointing out hypocrisy right? He saying that if Mae was shown with, lets say, a bra and panties, it would have been an issue. But Yord and Qimere, beefcake Kylo? No issues. In no way is that casual sexism. The other comment is saying he's surprised that it wasn't a woman scantily clad. It's not sexist, it's something that would never happen.

You actually being against his comment could very much be argued as the casual sexism.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Me a ahill? Good lord…

I officially welcome you to the Pixie Dusters Club of those whose critical posts are conveniently forgotten when you defend anything Disney.

 

[Mike S]

You realize the quote from @Mike S is pointing out hypocrisy right? He saying that if Mae was shown with, lets say, a bra and panties, it would have been an issue. But Yord and Qimere, beefcake Kylo? No issues. In no way is that casual sexism. The other comment is saying he's surprised that it wasn't a woman scantily clad. It's not sexist, it's something that would never happen.

You actually being against his comment could very much be argued as the casual sexism.

My point was actually how all these people would be against “toxic men” which I would be too btw as my cousins have dated plenty of them and are now married to actually good ones, but then turn around and make a show where a girl is seduced by the epitome of evil in this universe, a Sith, and then they even talk about how tragic it is knowing they won’t actually get a “happily ever after” since every Star Wars fan knows there can only be two Sith at a time. It’s a blatant exposure of hypocrisy.

Your point is good too. The female gaze?

The male gaze?

 

[erasure fan1]

My point was actually how all these people would be against “toxic men” which I would be too btw as my cousins have dated plenty of them and are now married to actually good ones, but then turn around and make a show where a girl is seduced by the epitome of evil in this universe, a Sith, and then they even talk about how tragic it is knowing they won’t actually get a “happily ever after” since every Star Wars fan knows there can only be two Sith at a time. It’s a blatant exposure of hypocrisy.

Your point is good too. The female gaze?

The male gaze?

Thank you for the clarification. Either way, it wasn't said as a sexist or homophobic comment like what was implied. Unless it was, and I totally misjudged you.

 

[Mike S]

Thank you for the clarification. Either way, it wasn't said as a sexist or homophobic comment like what was implied. Unless it was, and I totally misjudged you.

The personal story I included should make my stance pretty clear lol

 

[MarvelCharacterNerd]

Wait, Loki is hot? In what universe?

Are you kidding? Did you miss the reaction to the shirtless Loki trailer for that series? lol

Or are you just unaware of the massive Hiddles fandom because of that role? Take a deeper dive into the internet sometime. Or don't.

Loki has more women chasing after him on Campus than Spider-Man has shrieking toddlers.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Loki has more women chasing after him on Campus than Spider-Man has shrieking toddlers.

What if it was Spider-Man and Elsa?

 

[MarvelCharacterNerd]

What if it was Spider-Man and Elsa?

Might be a toss-up